Captain Murica Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Ice Cream Hole?? Sure, if it is made out of feces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, CNYfan said: I actually think that Jason Croom is a good downfield receiver, and seems to go after the catch with some discernible talent. The Bills need to add, probably, a TE who can really block well, as well as be a receiving threat. I tend to believe that those assets are in the draft, on the first two days. The Bills are pretty thin in so many areas so I do not know if they will be able to spend treasure for such an asset. I think I like Croom more than most. Not as the top guy, but he can help in the passing game.....IF he learns how to down down rather than fight for an extra 6 inches while getting stripped of the ball. I had hoped he would learn after it happened the first time.....but then, I hoped Clay would get healthy too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Now that he's on the market... Let's sign him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He did miss the Raiders game that one year because his wife had a baby the day before the game ... [ducks] Lol, Remember when Shady missed one voluntary ota and everyone went batshit crazy around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, Augie said: I think I like Croom more than most. Not as the top guy, but he can help in the passing game.....IF he learns how to down down rather than fight for an extra 6 inches while getting stripped of the ball. I had hoped he would learn after it happened the first time.....but then, I hoped Clay would get healthy too. ...Pegula's daughter approves of this message......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...despite hobbled, guy was a gamer...if I remember correctly, he was TT's favorite target.... I get it - our fans want a star TE and we hoped Clay would be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, White Linen said: I get it - our fans want a star TE and we hoped Clay would be it. The weird part is, there were some games where he looked like that guy. Mostly against the Dolphins, it seemed. What a coincidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 It’s about time. Another $4.5 mil available. More will get cleaned out once we get through free agency and the draft, we’ll see which O Lineman get cut. We also are expecting another chunk when advertised of the expected increase in the cap. Ratings for TV were up from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, White Linen said: I get it - our fans want a star TE and we hoped Clay would be it. I just want a TE who catches the ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I just want a TE who catches the ball Clay did that. I want more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, White Linen said: I get it - our fans want a star TE and we hoped Clay would be it. ..certainly agree.....you know my friend, as I head into year 57 following this club, I'm steadfast saying THE most neglected spot EASILY at #1 is QB post Kelly era....BUT....the TE spot ranks closely behind at #2....effing up TWO keys positions is beyond comprehension....gimme some Robert Royal....NOT....SMH.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, FluffHead said: Clay has been turned into play dough, per the Bills Twitter this saves 4.5 million on the cap I thought the Bills had trouble spending wisely to the cap. Does this help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Does anyone know the last time the bills drafted a tight end within the 1st 3 rounds? I feel like any tight end we've drafted recently is rounds 5-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I guess he'll have Sundays as well as Wednesdays off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: It was time, his remaining years at a high level were waisted with Tyrod at QB. I hope it is that he is disgusted with how things turned out here. Hope he does well elsewhere. I am sure you will cheer for him if he plays for PHISH, JEST or P*Ts against us but will you buy a jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Chandler Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I was so giddy when we signed him. I thought he was on his way to producing Gronk numbers when at Miami. What a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 33 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Now that he's on the market... Let's sign him up! We definitely need a TE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 The sad part is that (until this year) Clay was probably the best TE the Bills have had in almost 30 years. You just never know what he could have done in a successful offense or with a good QB. Still this past season was a big step back and it was time for a move. I hope we find a way to get the best TE in the draft. Even if it means at 9. I want to see one legitimate top tier TE on the Bills for the first time ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Chandler Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I guess he'll have Sundays as well as Wednesdays off now. he hasn't worked many Sundays in the past two years 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 one of our worst ever overpayments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..certainly agree.....you know my friend, as I head into year 57 following this club, I'm steadfast saying THE most neglected spot EASILY at #1 is QB post Kelly era....BUT....the TE spot ranks closely behind at #2....effing up TWO keys positions is beyond comprehension....gimme some Robert Royal....NOT....SMH.......... Yes sir, we agree. I agree because you used the word neglected for TE. However the WR position because of the embarrassing quarterback play is easily the #2 issue for me. Relatively speaking Clay did outstanding. In 2015 he ranked 2nd in team catches and 3rd in yards, 2016 ranked 1st and 2nd, 2017 ranked 2nd and 1st. Relative to an offense producing awful passing numbers he out performed at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Overrated, a 3rd round pick at best. Slow. I sincerely doubt he drops out of the first round, and there's virtually 0% chance he drops out of the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He did miss the Raiders game that one year because his wife had a baby the day before the game ... [ducks] If he was a better teammate he would have got her knocked up so she had baby between February and August. Birth of a baby is a great reason for a veteran to skip camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, I bet that he’s PISSED that he got $33.5M for 4 years in Buffalo. That’s really got to set him off. Except most NFL players are competitors. It had to be embarrassing and not very pleasant when a team releases you. $33 million or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Leonhart2017 said: It seems like we have been trying to address this position since Jay Riemersma or maybe even Pete Metzlers. No Ernie warlick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, White Linen said: Yes sir, we agree. I agree because you used the word neglected for TE. However the WR position because of the embarrassing quarterback play is easily the #2 issue for me. Relatively speaking Clay did outstanding. In 2015 he ranked 2nd in team catches and 3rd in yards, 2016 ranked 1st and 2nd, 2017 ranked 2nd and 1st. Relative to an offense producing awful passing numbers he out performed at his position. ...yup, but I would say that WR neglect is more recent than the long term neglect of QB and TE.......simply my opinion....it appears (hopefully) that the QB spot has been addressed...a/k/a I really like this Allen kid's moxy, ethic, gamer mentality and brass bawls....fix WR and TE spots for this kid and we could be on to something promising here....stay tuned.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Alot of us saw this coming- hit the wall and injuries caught up to him- Best of Luck Charles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, wppete said: Good move. I wonder who they have in mind in Free agemcy. Jared Cook? He may be better than most of the WRs available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Going to be an exciting next few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I know this may sound petty but there was a play, against the Browns, in a pre-season game this past year, where he made a terrible effort at a block and it either got our RB or QB killed....can’t remember which but it was at that point I wanted him gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, freddyjj said: As predicted in most corners. Glad they let him go prior to FA signing period as increases odds for him to possibly catch on with another team. Solid citizen, nice talent with bad knees. Exactly. Was trashed unfairly by many but was really hampered by injuries (and bad QBs). Not at all unhappy they are moving on, and think it speaks volumes to future free agents that the Bills' organization treats players "right" (i.e., giving him a chance in FA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: Overrated, a 3rd round pick at best. Slow. First round #10-22 Same speed as Gronk.... Summary The 2018 John Mackey Award winner was a threat when asked to line up inline, wing, and in the slot. He has the acceleration and body control to be a mismatch against linebackers and the natural strength to overpower defensive backs before and after the catch. Hockenson has vacuum hands with fluid body adjustments to catch the ball in stride and track the ball into his mitts. He will be reliable in any offensive scheme at the next level. Projection: 1st Round Edited February 15, 2019 by HOUSE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Trade down and TE and OT in the first...? One can dream... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, White Linen said: Clay did that. I want more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I didn't realize his knees were so bad. He was considered a top 5 TE when we first signed him. Too bad we couldn't get a pick for him. We have so many holes to fill on this roster now! It's ridiculous. I can't see how we can fill most of them in just 1 offseason. I'm thinking we probably won't be competitive before 2020 at the earliest. We need multiple WR's, multiple RB's, multiple TE's, multiple OL, Kyle's replacement, another CB, Lorenzo's replacement, a punter and a few ST aces. 2021 maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: Bills are definitely drafting a TE early. Good thing it's the best TE draft in at least a decade. Gonna be hard to beat the Kittle, Engram, Howard draft. We still got some other guys from that draft that have big potential like Everett from the Rams and Junnu Smith from Tenn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 No surprise at all but it still sucks that it didn't work out. I don't want to make excuses for him but he didn't exactly get the best QB play while he was here. But even considering that, his production was bad and with his knees I doubt he has long left to play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 So long Charles and thanks for all those great memories, like uhhhh....and that one time you, uh, hm. Oh, there was that one game when, ummmmm.....so...good luck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, vincec said: No surprise at all but it still sucks that it didn't work out. I don't want to make excuses for him but he didn't exactly get the best QB play while he was here. But even considering that, his production was bad and with his knees I doubt he has long left to play either. Pretty much where I come down on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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