njbuff Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 First, will the Texans franchise Clowney? And if they do, forget it. If Clowney does become available, do you want him on the Bills? What’s the price tag going to be? How does he fit into McDermott’s scheme? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I'd be fine with the Bills spending big money on Clowney or Demarcus Lawrence. Neither will hit the market. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, njbuff said: How does he fit into McDermott’s scheme? He could probably do a decent Julius Peppers impersonation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Lawrence and Clowney are both looking at 20M+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 They certainly could do it but my guess is they probably won’t. I think McBeane’s pragmatism does mesh with Clowney’s price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Oh my god please no to Clowney, 1) he will cost waaay too much and 2) he and Hughes on the same line would be a very bad combination, both have a hair trigger on off sides and jumping the gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 55 minutes ago, njbuff said: First, will the Texans franchise Clowney? And if they do, forget it. If Clowney does become available, do you want him on the Bills? What’s the price tag going to be? How does he fit into McDermott’s scheme? Thoughts? you don't worry about scheme if you sign someone this good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Lawrence and Clowney are both looking at 20M+ Fine by me. Clowney or Lawrence. We won’t be able to spend all this money. Give him a huge cap hit this season that will lessen the cap hits in the future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Oh my god please no to Clowney, 1) he will cost waaay too much and 2) he and Hughes on the same line would be a very bad combination, both have a hair trigger on off sides and jumping the gun I think that would be a very good combination 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Oh my god please no to Clowney, 1) he will cost waaay too much and 2) he and Hughes on the same line would be a very bad combination, both have a hair trigger on off sides and jumping the gun How many times did Hughes jump Offside this year? Once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: How many times did Hughes jump Offside this year? Once? three and a neutral zone infraction plus two Offside declined and/or negated.... more the year before that. Both Clowney and and Hughes together it the issue. And they tend to come at the worst time, usually on third down in critical situations where they are trying to get a jump. Actually that is just a die note, i dont want Mario #2 here, i dont think he will be worth the $. Whatever team picks him up end up with the winner's curse. Edited January 30, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I prefer Lawerence over Clowney but wouldn’t be upset if we got either. However I would much rather draft Oshane Ximines in the 2nd/3rd than pay $20m a year to one of these guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I prefer Lawerence over Clowney but wouldn’t be upset if we got either. However I would much rather draft Oshane Ximines in the 2nd/3rd than pay $20m a year to one of these guys. What round is he projected to go in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Clowney isn't elite enough to command the money that he'll ask for. Mario Williams was his superior. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I prefer Lawerence over Clowney but wouldn’t be upset if we got either. However I would much rather draft Oshane Ximines in the 2nd/3rd than pay $20m a year to one of these guys. 2nd or 3rd? I’m reading that his best fit would be as a stand up backer in a 3-4 and a situational player who may stuggle to get snaps in the NFL. A guy you wouldn’t want to use in coverage. Tight hips, limited bend...speed to power. We already have all of that covered with Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, njbuff said: What round is he projected to go in? He was 3rd or 4th when he was under the radar earlier being from a small school, but he’s a guy that’s garnering scouts attention now and I think he is most likely a 2nd round pick right now. Don’t be surprised if by draft time he could be potential first round pick as more people catch on to him. He would be a lock for the early first had he played at a big school with the kind of production he had. But this kids a beast and big time leader too. Captain as an under classman, intelligent and a Deans list student, and major competitor. Love to draft this kid. 3 years from now when they look back at this draft I think he will be one of the best defensive players to come out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, CommonCents said: 2nd or 3rd? I’m reading that his best fit would be as a stand up backer in a 3-4 and a situational player who may stuggle to get snaps in the NFL. A guy you wouldn’t want to use in coverage. Tight hips, limited bend...speed to power. We already have all of that covered with Shaq. There are some varying opinions on him, but combine will show what he’s really got and it’s gonna surprise some people. I expect he will be one of the defensive stars at the combine. And with small school players, there is often even more info warfare that goes on trying to deflect buzz on lesser known players so teams may have better chance of landing a player. Hes high on my wish list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 When we signed Mario Williams we were more in desperation mode. This draft has some good pass rushers for a whole lot less $. Clowney is not a franchise type guy but he will be paid as such. Pass on this move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: Lawrence and Clowney are both looking at 20M+ Id say around there, probably closer to 18 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, njbuff said: First, will the Texans franchise Clowney? And if they do, forget it. If Clowney does become available, do you want him on the Bills? What’s the price tag going to be? How does he fit into McDermott’s scheme? Thoughts? Won’t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 i dont see it happening. Texans will keep Clowney. Also the Bills, i believe, will spend on oline so they can get BPA in first rd which most likely be a DT or DE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I put pass rush as big a need as Oline and WR. If we could sign a premium pass rusher with FA- we can devote bulk of picks to Oline, TE, RB, and WR. So sign me up for Lawrence or Clowney or whomever can bring the heat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I'd be down to make a move like this had it not been for our signing of Trent Murphy. We already have an underperforming high priced DE on our team. I didnt like that pick up when we made it & today I hate it even more. But because of that move it pretty much makes potential signings of Clowney or Lawrence impossible from a salary cap standpoint. Sure technically you may be able to do it, but investing that much more money into that one area isn't necessarily wise imo. If only we could go back & stop that from happening haha. Close to $9 million for a guy who plays 40% of the snaps, and thats when he's healthy enuff to be on the field. The way i see it, the only thing we can do is hope this year he turns it around & we draft another edge rusher who can compete for starting time this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Lawrence and Clowney are both looking at 20M+ ....probably dead wrong, but don't see that type of money in McBeane's "deck of cards" for ONE player...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I don't know much about Lawrence, but I would be opposed to signing Clowney. Despite his immense measurables and talent, he has some injury history. Also, he was known for taking some games off during his final year at S. Carolina. When healthy, he has played well for the Texans, but not, in my opinion well enough to command the type of salary he is likely to see and get from someone ($20 M per year or thereabouts). I could see us having buyer's remorse down the road, and being saddled with the huge contract, as we were with Mario Williams and Marcel Dareus. He's just not quite enough of a sure thing for that kind of mega-deal. As mentioned above, he doesn't seem to fit the Beane model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....probably dead wrong, but don't see that type of money in McBeane's "deck of cards" for ONE player...... Yeah, I'm of a similar mind but I'm not saying that to make an argument either way, just noting it. Then again, we paid star like 11M to clog up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Yeah, I'm of a similar mind but I'm not saying that to make an argument either way, just noting it. Then again, we paid star like 11M to clog up the middle. ...is it fair to say he is quietly earning his keep?....he'll never be on the glowing "Monday Morning Stat Roster".....he is a trench grunt...what would be your expectations?.... Edited January 30, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...is it fair to say he is quietly earning his keep?....he'll never be on the glowing "Monday Morning Stat Roster".....he is a trench grunt...what would be your expectations?.... Not at all 11mil to play less then 40% of the snaps. Run stuffer DTs shouldnt get paid much. We made huge mistake with this signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...is it fair to say he is quietly earning his keep?....he'll never be on the glowing "Monday Morning Stat Roster".....he is a trench grunt...what would be your expectations?.... I think he's doing his job. I just think we could/should have paid less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....probably dead wrong, but don't see that type of money in McBeane's "deck of cards" for ONE player...... me either......Beane just worked to get away from the Darius contract. He won't repeat the mistake and reduce his ability to improve multiple positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Methinks Ziggy Ansah may be cheaper and will probably have a bigger impact than Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 If the Texans allow Clowney to move on, the Jets with new DC Williams will be a strong contender to sign him. This will allow the Jets to take an ot at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 NOW, repeat after me: "Trust The Process" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 He would be awesome for when we play Michigan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He would be awesome for when we play Michigan. That still hurts... How much would Brandon Graham cost? I’d prefer to spread the cap money around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 With team at the top of the draft with money they may prefer to go edge rusher in the draft. Buffalo adding a pass rusher would not be a negative. There are about 4 possible FA that could be targeted, but will cost alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 He's been a disappointment. He was the top rated high school player when he signed at South Carolina. He played great, blew up a guy in a bowl game. But he's never dominated at Houston. He had 9 sacks last year, career high is 9.5. He didn't make first or second team All Pro. Not worth the money you guys mentioned. I'd get a tackle and a center and more for the same money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Oh my god please no to Clowney, 1) he will cost waaay too much and 2) he and Hughes on the same line would be a very bad combination, both have a hair trigger on off sides and jumping the gun I agree completely with 1- since it will be at least a 6year contract most likely. Second one i could deal with if first one would not be so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Don't see it, especially when d-line is supposedly the strongest part of the draft and could get someone on a rookie deal. Would much rather see them spend high $ on o-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Teams almost never let these kind of players get away. It's a pipedream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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