Misterbluesky Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, HotSausagePoboy said: Saints didn’t win it the year after Katrina tho we won in 09-10 Katrina happened in 2005. Bobby Hebert said three of the officials from yesterday's team are from California. He said they should be tarred and feathered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Misterbluesky said: Bobby Hebert said three of the officials from yesterday's team are from California. He said they should be tarred and feathered. Or at least fired. I think if a ref makes a call that bad he/she should be suspended. to get back off suspension they need to get 90%+ on a hard 100 question rules test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Or at least fired. I think if a ref makes a call that bad he/she should be suspended. to get back off suspension they need to get 90%+ on a hard 100 question rules test. Lol. You think the issue is knowledge of the rulebook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, SDS said: Lol. You think the issue is knowledge of the rulebook? nobody complains when their team wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Best outcome is still minimally better than the alternate outcomes. They are not risking a $100B corporation to insignificantly add a teeny bit more ratings/profits on a single game. Talk about terrible risk vs reward. Let’s gamble a $100B company to charge a few hundred thousand more per commercial in one game. That’s literally the only thing to gain, and honestly I highly doubt it’s even that much, if any at all. And it impacts NEXT years Super Bowl commercial rates, not this years which were locked in and paid for already. They base rates off expected ratings and the previous years game factors into that. Ratings were gonna be strong no matter who made it, all teams had popular and great storylines, all teams had exciting teams. Rigging the Rams and Pats has almost no value other than hoping Rams sell more tickets. And again, they aren’t risking a $100B league, that’s owned by all 32 owners to help one team sell a few more tickets. Two different arguments. You said if it was rigged they would have helped the Saints and Brees. I am basically saying not necessarily. For your second argument... Just because the NFL may or may not be rigged doesn't mean that certain referees aren't corrupt. Outside of that, it was probably the worst blown no call I have ever seen. Even if they aren't corrupt or "rigged" that was some pretty incompetent referring. Its the title game and these refs are suppose to be the best of the best like the players were. The Saints got screwed big time. It literally is the difference between a win and a loss. I have no skin in this game as I couldn't have cared less who won. Therefor I hold no bias. Edited January 21, 2019 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, SDS said: Lol. You think the issue is knowledge of the rulebook? In some cases knowledge of the rule book is the problem, the refs know it so well that they will call some minuscule thing that's buried somewhere and hasnt been called in decades (usually favoring the Patriots somehow in one of their games though) Yesterdays blown call was more about refs on the field missing the play or not being at an angle to get a good look at it to make the call. I do believe that the refs involved should be fined or reviewed for future games they will be involved in, but that's only to get them to be better on the field. If teams wont seriously hold players accountable for missing plays or costing them games (linemen for the Chiefs yesterday with the offside, or Clay dropping an easily catchable ball in Miami) why should we expect more from the officials and the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Here's what should have happened. New Orleans calls a timeout RIGHT after that play and doesn't go back onto the field until that play is reviewed. You MUST force the hand of the NFL. You don't just sit there and take it, because when you do, you lose. You see what happened when they just "dealt with it". No, you make them make the right call. Even if they penalize you and fine you and whatever it may be, you MUST be the aggressor in this situation. That no-call essentially destroyed the Saints and everyone knows it. L.A. got in via the cheap way, and that's horse *****. If that happened against the Bills the crowd would have rioted and the game would likely be put on hold due to the refs running into the tunnel in fear of their lives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Two different arguments. You said if it was rigged they would have helped the Saints and Brees. I am basically saying not necessarily. For your second argument... Just because the NFL may or may not be rigged doesn't mean that certain referees aren't corrupt. Outside of that, it was probably the worst blown no call I have ever seen. Even if they aren't corrupt or "rigged" that was some pretty incompetent referring. Its the title game and these refs are suppose to be the best of the best like the players were. The Saints got screwed big time. It literally is the difference between a win and a loss. I have no skin in this game as I couldn't have cared less who won. Therefor I hold no bias. Did the refs screw this up big time, yes absolutely. Difference in winning or losing though was when they passed (incomplete) on first down instead of running. That was a bigger factor than the PI as the PI never happens if they run on first down. It was the dumbest call I have seen in a big moment like this. And Saints had multiple chances to still win the game after the PI and failed to do so. Yet PI getting called there doesn’t guarantee a win either. Still, none of this has anything to do with the NFL rigging the game. And Rams or Saints making SB has almost no measurable benefit in the scope of risking a $100B corporation on it. They simply need to make judgement calls reviewable like PI and roughing the passer. Edited January 21, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: I disagree. Isn't all of what we are doing right now, beefing constantly about "the NFL" on these types of sites part of the entertainment we enjoy? Of course it is!---and the NFL depends on that. No other pro league generates this kind of 365 day a tear passion about the tiniest of details. Nobody cares about the NBA, NHL or MLB in their off seasons (if they even care during those interminable seasons), yet the NFL RULES the sports news cycle all year long. No entertainment entity in the world is better at manipulating their viewers than the NFL. EVERYONE says "I'll never watch an NFL game again!"----and the League knows you're lying....that you are incapable of turning away. EVERYONE says "the NFL is dying", or "the end is coming for the NFL"....yet the league continues to destroy all other pro leagues, with gap widening, and continues to bring in record revenues. Despite some of these owners seeming to be legit morons (at least at running their teams), it doesn't matter. This business is idiot proof and there are enough clever owners to keep the golden goose fat. And they have Roger Goodell as the villain fans can't hate to love enough. He is the NFL's greatest asset. He is paid handsomely to be the very public villain and take all the punches for Kim, Terry and the others. It's all genius. "Are you not entertained?" You have a point. But at the risk of going all amateur social theorist on you - maybe both statements are true. The actual entertainment of the game itself is negatively impacted by all the reviews/stoppages/seemingly arbitrary decisions. But you're right: we're now in kind of a "meta" entertainment world, where enjoying the event itself seems to be less important, or at least less interesting to people, than arguing about what it all means and how history could have been changed. I will likely remember nothing about this year's Academy Awards, but I will remember that Kevin Hart was disinvited, or disinvited himself. Or that last year, or a couple years ago, it was all about "#OscarsSoWhite." That stuff we can still chew on long after the event is over. There's no topic posted here on the nature of, "Find Words to Describe the Brilliance of Mahomes Getting the Ball Around a Defender By Throwing Sidearm." Yet there's multiple topics about the game being rigged, about the OT rules needing changing, about what referee was assigned to the game, etc, etc. -- all "meta" topics. Maybe it's generational, and I know I'm on the wrong (well, older) side of the split, but I really think just making the call on the field and then moving on makes for a better real-time game experience. But the NFL, like everything else, is all about the "meta" level now, and they are masters of manipulating it. See the Great NFL Cycle of Life: Super Bowl -> Combine -> Free Agent Period -> Draft -> "Optional" Preseason Workouts -> Training Camp -> Roster Cuts -> Regular Season -> Playoffs/Super Bowl. All beautifully staggered to keep the talk and controversy flowing .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The refs in that game were letting both secondaries get away with quite a lot of contact w/o calling a penalty. They didn't have the stones to make a call on NRC that was going to determine the outcome of the game after having "let them play" the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 we won't hear you complain if your team won because of a bad call it all evens out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: You have a point. But at the risk of going all amateur social theorist on you - maybe both statements are true. The actual entertainment of the game itself is negatively impacted by all the reviews/stoppages/seemingly arbitrary decisions. But you're right: we're now in kind of a "meta" entertainment world, where enjoying the event itself seems to be less important, or at least less interesting to people, than arguing about what it all means and how history could have been changed. I will likely remember nothing about this year's Academy Awards, but I will remember that Kevin Hart was disinvited, or disinvited himself. Or that last year, or a couple years ago, it was all about "#OscarsSoWhite." That stuff we can still chew on long after the event is over. There's no topic posted here on the nature of, "Find Words to Describe the Brilliance of Mahomes Getting the Ball Around a Defender By Throwing Sidearm." Yet there's multiple topics about the game being rigged, about the OT rules needing changing, about what referee was assigned to the game, etc, etc. -- all "meta" topics. Maybe it's generational, and I know I'm on the wrong (well, older) side of the split, but I really think just making the call on the field and then moving on makes for a better real-time game experience. But the NFL, like everything else, is all about the "meta" level now, and they are masters of manipulating it. See the Great NFL Cycle of Life: Super Bowl -> Combine -> Free Agent Period -> Draft -> "Optional" Preseason Workouts -> Training Camp -> Roster Cuts -> Regular Season -> Playoffs/Super Bowl. All beautifully staggered to keep the talk and controversy flowing .... Certainly many say the game itself is negatively impacted by refs, etc......yet they simply cannot stop watching! No one can, it seems. And, as soon as the season ends, no one can wait for the season to start! Meanwhile, no one is even watching the NBA, the NHL or MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 What I think happened on that call was yes it was inside 2 minutes. Refs tend to let both teams get more physical. Inside those refs mind they know the scenario before they do anything. That ref knew at that point of the game if he threw a flag for PI the game would be pretty much done and the game would end on his call. He probably thought it wasn’t as bad as it was (worst non call ever). And plain an simple he didn’t want the game to end and wanted it to be close down to the wire. Those refs know what they’re doing. He just wanted it to end differently other than on his PI call. Don’t know if he wanted a specific team to win.... but he thought he was saving the game and helping it come down to the wire. Well you screwed the Saints, the ref did play a huge part in that 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, SDS said: Lol. You think the issue is knowledge of the rulebook? not necessarily. But then again, how come the ref there didn't know that if you lower your head and plow into a receiver early without even looking for the football is a foul? There were actually 2 fouls by Robey on that hit. Do you think that ref knew the rules and chose not to call it? That's even more disturbing. i was thinking of more of a penalty on the ref. That was a huge blown call that should be accounted for, not just move onto the next game. There should be serious consequences for a blown call like that. As long had he/she is suspended, couldn't hurt to brush up on an overly complicated rule book. Edited January 21, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 22 hours ago, Foxx said: just stop. ...agree....BILLIONS at stake in TV revenues as well as advertisers as THE major sources.....how many of those would want to be supportive of a game fixing, collusive and corrupt organization?........think about the public outcry, financial fallout and throw in the "government do-gooders (COUGH-photo op time)" sticking their noses in the fray.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I was more annoyed at the spot they gave Patriots on a run about 4 minutes into the fourth quarter. He appeared to be stopped just maybe inches short of the first down, but they spotted the ball a full yard past where ANY part of his body reached, beyond the first down. You could literally drive a shopping cart through the path between where the furthest part of his form (never mind the ball) reached and where they spotted it for the first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Little known fact: NRC and the Saints have been practicing that cheap shot no-PI call since last Wednesday. It was all orchestrated to perfection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schick Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: They saw how much money baseball made with those teams in the big game and said we can do that too!!!!!!!! Yes, the NFL is obviously trying to copy the success of MLB. That makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: I was more annoyed at the spot they gave Patriots on a run about 4 minutes into the fourth quarter. He appeared to be stopped just maybe inches short of the first down, but they spotted the ball a full yard past where ANY part of his body reached, beyond the first down. You could literally drive a shopping cart through the path between where the furthest part of his form (never mind the ball) reached and where they spotted it for the first down. I'm sure I know the play you're referencing. It was a terrible spot, but it looked like he got the first down from my vantage point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 New Rule. Anyone that signals a ref for PI when there isn’t one should get a 5 yard penalty. I saw the Pats do it half a dozen times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I'm sure I know the play you're referencing. It was a terrible spot, but it looked like he got the first down from my vantage point. He may very well have made the first down line, but the refs made damn sure there was no doubt about it. 33 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: New Rule. Anyone that signals a ref for PI when there isn’t one should get a 5 yard penalty. I saw the Pats do it half a dozen times. Trying to get the "Brady Effect" by association. I think the NHL has a penalty for diving, they should maybe do a similar penalty for the Brady-style bitching for an unwarranted penalty. Extension of unsportsmanlike conduct. Edited January 21, 2019 by 1ManRaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: New Rule. Anyone that signals a ref for PI when there isn’t one should get a 5 yard penalty. I saw the Pats do it half a dozen times. It seems like every WR in the league does it several times a game....and it should be considered unsportmanlike conduct. All they are doing is showing up the officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRHater69 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Personally I thought the two most exciting things that happened during the AFC Championship game were when the refs huddled up for about five minutes both times and then told us "The game clock is correct." Now THAT'S NFL football and the drama of competition at its finest! I'm glad that was on display yesterday to national TV audience so that even the casual fan could enjoy the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Trying to get the "Brady Effect" by association. I think the NHL has a penalty for diving, they should maybe do a similar penalty for the Brady-style bitching for an unwarranted penalty. Extension of unsportsmanlike conduct. The NHL does? I’ve yet to see it called but maybe because of said rule. I’ve seen a few “fake flops” the Brady Effect. I like it A delay of game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: New Rule. Anyone that signals a ref for PI when there isn’t one should get a 5 yard penalty. I saw the Pats do it half a dozen times. Flip side- Tommy lee Lewis needed to sprint to the refs demanding the call. They needed to know in the moment this was a big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Flip side- Tommy lee Lewis needed to sprint to the refs demanding the call. They needed to know in the moment this was a big thing. I did stipulate falsely. Delay of game. 5 yard penalty What we saw in NO was justified and warranted a talk to the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I’m starting to wonder now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: The NHL does? I’ve yet to see it called but maybe because of said rule. I’ve seen a few “fake flops” the Brady Effect. I like it A delay of game. I thought Brady Effect was a known term, maybe I was wrong and accidentally invented it. In the MLB players get outright ejected from the game for questioning balls and strikes calls, don't think it's a stretch to have a 5 yard "minor unsportsmanlike conduct" for repeated attempts to coerce refs into a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said: I thought Brady Effect was a known term, maybe I was wrong and accidentally invented it. In the MLB players get outright ejected from the game for questioning balls and strikes calls, don't think it's a stretch to have a 5 yard "minor unsportsmanlike conduct" for repeated attempts to coerce refs into a call. The Brady Rules. Rules made to protect Saint Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: WRONG: Not rigged or blind. Just too chicken to make a game deciding call. It's believable, done often by refs in all sports who don't want to take the responsibility of deciding a game when a non call gives the game back to the players to decide. Look at it this way. 2 teams won the coin toss in OT. NO threw a pick & lost the game. NE won the toss and drove down the field for a TD. In both cases the players decided the game. Sure, that’s what you’d like to think. Doesn’t mean that that’s actually the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 4:57 PM, eanyills said: Professional sports are not rigged. The fallout from a league-wide game rigging scandal (and subsequent federal prosecution) would probably end the league. The money goes too far for any serious talk of rigging. The Western Conference finals in the NBA were fixed before and that league is more popular then ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: The Western Conference finals in the NBA were fixed before and that league is more popular then ever. Never underestimate the gullibility of the millenials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 What I don't understand in a situation like that, when the play first happened they said on TV "The officials are huddled up" Why don't they just huddle up for an extra long time, talk about the weather, where to go eat after the game whatever, just to kill some time. And while they're huddled a couple of them look up out of the corner of their eye and watch the replay on the jumbotron. Then say oops, and throw the flag. Yes they'd get ripped for throwing a flag maybe 20 seconds later, but probably less so than what's happening now. And at least they 'd know the right call was made. They could always say we were just checking to make sure no one saw a tipped pass or something else and it took awhile to figure things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 6:28 PM, bills6969 said: Clear evidence today by that atrocious missed DPI. The worst missed call I have ever seen in a football game and its not even debatable. So you missed Super Bowl XXVI & XL? 6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Never underestimate the gullibility of the millenials. Did you watch Game 6 of the Kings-Lakers Western Conference series back in 2002? That was about as blatant as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 8:07 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: The first game was enjoyable. But when a blown call changes the outcome ..... then I / we have valid points to b itch about The latter game ... someone breathed on Tom and got a RTP call. Shades of the TUCK rule. Um, you might want to reconsider after watching this brutally obvious and blatant pick play that went for 38 yards late in the game: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 5:29 PM, Joe in Winslow said: yuuuuuup gotta pimp that LA team. Seats to sell in a 2 billion dollar stadium ya know? If the NFL really wanted it to have the kind of transparency and governance as something like an Olympic event or such, they could start by having an independent Officiating body that has some kind of "objective" 3rd party oversight. The "We police ourselves and we find that we are awesome" mantra that they try to sell just does not fly. Doesn't work in business, sports, etc.. Fans should always keep the perspective that this is an entertainment business that needs to fill seats and generate advertising revenue that BTW also now allows gambling over outcomes. Not to be all conspiracy theory, but there are a lot of reasons that folks would have to slant the outcomes of games including as you mention above towards creating favorable outcomes for teams in new markets with large fan bases and there is very little "real" oversight to prevent that from happening by means of favorable calls or non-calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Um, you might want to reconsider after watching this brutally obvious and blatant pick play that went for 38 yards late in the game: the one he got HURT on (again) Nice play BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 when i pontificate on who is going to win, the Vegas line moves against me. Maybe this will help y'all trying to overcome all the rigging you seem to psychically discern every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 So the NFL has enacted a conspiracy to cheat a popular team (the Saints) for a team that can’t fill half its stadium to play against a team that everybody outside of New England hates? Conspiracies are possible. But I fail to see how a bad call equates to “clear” or “obvious” evidence of anything but bad officiating. Your logic is questionable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Further, the bad call is bad for the NFL, which already is suffering from bad PR from CTE, Anthem kneelers, limited millennial attention spans, parents increasingly not letting their kids play and declining viewership. How on Earth is a ***** no-call going to help the NFL? Conspiracies need reasons for them to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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