row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Complaining about the refs is more important to most fans than enjoying great football games B word B word botch birch B word is all they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: Complaining about the refs is more important to most fans than enjoying great football games B word B word botch birch B word is all they do The first game was enjoyable. But when a blown call changes the outcome ..... then I / we have valid points to b itch about The latter game ... someone breathed on Tom and got a RTP call. Shades of the TUCK rule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I must be missing something: no team, in any sport, in any century, has had anywhere near the success the Patriots have enjoyed. Talent aside, how does a team fall into so much luck and good fortune for over a decade? It just doesn’t make any sense I think you are missing the Celtics, Yankees and UCLA Bruins basketball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Guy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Anyone else remember "You've been bought"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, That_Guy said: Anyone else remember "You've been bought"? Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 When you are seeing red with hatred for the superior team, you are usually going to be on the dog poop end of the stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said: The 1999 Cup Finals say hello! You shouldn't have let a guy like Hull sit in your crease. Maybe if a Sabre would have made a play in what, the other 100 minutes of that game, we wouldn't be talking about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I think the NFL is actually a worse entertainment product today then before replay was created. Replay does little to ensure that the game isn't decided by a bad call; it simply shifts the types of bad calls that decide games. Today it was a non-call on a (nonreviewable) penalty. It also destroys a lot of the exciting plays - I'm not sure MLB will ever recover from the damage done by super slo-mo on stolen bases where it would defy the rules of physics for a player to remain in contact with the bad for every split second after the "successful" steal is completed. I disagree. Isn't all of what we are doing right now, beefing constantly about "the NFL" on these types of sites part of the entertainment we enjoy? Of course it is!---and the NFL depends on that. No other pro league generates this kind of 365 day a tear passion about the tiniest of details. Nobody cares about the NBA, NHL or MLB in their off seasons (if they even care during those interminable seasons), yet the NFL RULES the sports news cycle all year long. No entertainment entity in the world is better at manipulating their viewers than the NFL. EVERYONE says "I'll never watch an NFL game again!"----and the League knows you're lying....that you are incapable of turning away. EVERYONE says "the NFL is dying", or "the end is coming for the NFL"....yet the league continues to destroy all other pro leagues, with gap widening, and continues to bring in record revenues. Despite some of these owners seeming to be legit morons (at least at running their teams), it doesn't matter. This business is idiot proof and there are enough clever owners to keep the golden goose fat. And they have Roger Goodell as the villain fans can't hate to love enough. He is the NFL's greatest asset. He is paid handsomely to be the very public villain and take all the punches for Kim, Terry and the others. It's all genius. "Are you not entertained?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It's all genius. "Are you not entertained?" i watch sports for excellence in the playoffs and it was delivered in many Brinks trucks yesterday, i'm grateful as this happens about as often as Halley's Comet i don't watch sports to get my piss all hot about the refs and scream at the TV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, That_Guy said: Anyone else remember "You've been bought"? some were bang bang but the last was atrocious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: i watch sports for excellence in the playoffs and it was delivered in many Brinks trucks yesterday, i'm grateful as this happens about as often as Halley's Comet i don't watch sports to get my piss all hot about the refs and scream at the TV You're missing out on plenty of opportunities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: You're missing out on plenty of opportunities. it's really not worth it to have a heart attack 20 years before you really earned it or punch your son or wife in the face over a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) the non-call was a lot closer than many of you would like to think. and if any of you watched any of the playoffs, this year or any of the recent past years, you would understand that PI is not called as close as it is during the regular season. in fact it typically tends to become more lax as the season wears on. the second replay in this tweet shows that the ball was right about there. and 'd be willing to wager that if an overhead shot were found, it would show that it was even closer. https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1087124161024196611 stop with this nonsense. Edited January 21, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: it's really not worth it to have a heart attack 20 years before you really earned it or punch your son or wife in the face over a game Well, I feel sorry for Saints fans, though of course, sports is never a justification for violence or radical despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well, I feel sorry for Saints fans, though of course, sports is never a justification for violence or radical despair. that was a tough call happens sometimes oh well, they should have locked it up with the first two drives to open the game, one a total gift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: that was a tough call happens sometimes oh well, they should have locked it up with the first two drives to open the game, one a total gift I suppose you can always make that argument. One can discover numerous places in a game where alternative results would have changed the outcome. Still, it's a bitter way to lose out on a chance at a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I suppose you can always make that argument. One can discover numerous places in a game where alternative results would have changed the outcome. Still, it's a bitter way to lose out on a chance at a championship. yup, i had my heart broken over losses and i also know i got away with things that helped me win you suck it up and get on with life, having learned valuable lessons this is about other people though, whom i will never meet, it's not personal to any of us who didn't lose at least $1,000 on the game Edited January 21, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The nfl isnt rigged. it's possible a ref could try to influence the game but it would be difficult and is unlikely. It was just a bad call. Human error, move on. One call does not make the game. I cannot believe how poorly some people are taking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Haze_21 said: The nfl isnt rigged. it's possible a ref could try to influence the game but it would be difficult and is unlikely. It was just a bad call. Human error, move on. One call does not make the game. I cannot believe how poorly some people are taking this. one year i decided to watch sports by picking a team and putting every play under a microscope and finding fault with every single thing they did on O and D it wasn't much fun crying about a bad strike call or traveling or interference of holding 100 times a game a total waste of energy and mind it is really a dumb thing to do when its the best team sports is about recharging the batteries for the work or school week, best done in the company of friends and fans and family with whom you can drink and enjoy their company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 So who is on the fix? Players? Refs? Owners? Coaches? Stupid thread. Nothing more than human error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: So who is on the fix? Players? Refs? Owners? Coaches? Stupid thread. Nothing more than human error. Its probably just a troll thread. Yea the NFL is rigged to make money yet the two teams in the biggest market have been awful for years and the Cowboys, their most valuable franchise by far, hasnt won anything in a long long time. Also the NBA is rigged, thats why the Knicks win every year and small market teams like Oakland, SA and Cleveland are rarely successful. Edited January 21, 2019 by jletha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just trying to figure out why the NFL set up a repeat of the World Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Foxx said: the non-call was a lot closer than many of you would like to think. and if any of you watched any of the playoffs, this year or any of the recent past years, you would understand that PI is not called as close as it is during the regular season. in fact it typically tends to become more lax as the season wears on. the second replay in this tweet shows that the ball was right about there. and 'd be willing to wager that if an overhead shot were found, it would show that it was even closer. stop with this nonsense. Sorry, no. It was an egregious and flagrant foul. Most people knew it was PI the second it happened. I didn't need any replay to confirm it. The Ball wasn't there yet, and NRC never played the ball, and tee'd off on the receiver, which in and of itself is also a foul. I'm not claiming conspiracy, but the Ref's were certainly in agreement that they would not be enforcing PI in that game. It's hard to believe that at least one Ref couldn't have stepped up and tossed out a late flag; even if the other zebras weren't going to. You can bet this instigates some form of rule change discussion this off season. Edited January 21, 2019 by wiskibreth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Sports are flawed but not rigged. I am sure there is some rigging somewhere but by and large, it is not rigged. The NFL is not rigging things to have Tom Brady in the Super Bowl every year. Edited January 21, 2019 by mattynh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The call was missed, no doubt. That said, it's a bit rich for Saints fans to be playing martyrs considering they won the 2009 NFC Championship because of missed roughing the passer calls on Brett Favre. The same season as Bountygate, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I will write the same I have written before when these threads come up. Huge, major, big time, professional sports leagues around the world have fallen victim to corruption via paying off referees to alter the outcome of games at the right time with a strategic call or non-call. To think that the NFL and 'Murica is somehow immune to this, because, you know, we are the greatest nation on Earth, is ridiculous. Does that mean either of these championship games were rigged? No. But if you are thinking "it couldn't happen here" you are mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I don't believe in the rigged conspiracy theory. In fact, I'll go further and say anyone who believes that everything is rigged should book an appointment with a local psychiatrist. This is what I believe: The refs were chickens. They knew if they called a penalty, it basically ends the game & gives NO the victory. So they chickened out of making the call that would decide the game & instead of doing their jobs, they let the game continue as is so it was up to the players to decide the game. Was it wrong? Absolutely. You call a penalty no matter what part of the game it is if it's a penalty. However, it's not like a no call in the final minutes of games has never been done before. We've seen stuff like this for many years in the NBA & NHL, where the refs don't want to be THE deciding factor. There's an interesting part of history in Buffalo sports. I was at this game & like the rest of the fans, left in stunned silence. In April 1974 with Boston leading the 7 game playoff series 3-2, game 6 was tied with seconds to go. Jo Jo White put up a last second shot and the refs called a foul on Bob McAdoo. White hit 2 free throws and ended the Braves season. That day the refs did their jobs and Braves fans are still PO'd to this day because we all believe the refs decided the game. http://buffalobraves.blogspot.com/2009/02/1973-74-season.html Back in Buffalo for the sixth game of the series, the two teams again went back and forth. The Braves trailed by four points with 20 seconds left, but McAdoo scored two baskets, raising his total to 40, to tie it. This time it was the Celtics with the last shot, though. Jo Jo White of Boston took it and missed it, but McAdoo was called for a foul right at the buzzer by referee Darell Garretson.But was it before or after the end of play? "Jo Jo contends to this day that he was actually fouled before the buzzer," Smith said years later. What's more, if the foul came before the buzzer, shouldn't the Braves have been given the ball for one last shot?Nope. With all of the players waved away from the free-throw line, White missed the first free throw but made the next two. Just like that, the Celtics had won, 106-104, and the Braves' season was over.Boston went on to win the NBA championship over the Milwaukee Bucks. Buffalo and its 18,237 fans in the Aud that night were left waiting for next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 15 hours ago, dubs said: Who is Breese and which team does he play for. Also, what’s a “discount Nick Saban?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jletha said: Also the NBA is rigged, thats why the Knicks win every year and small market teams like Oakland, SA and Cleveland are rarely successful. I stopped paying attention to the NBA a long time ago after seeing way too many late game questionable calls to help the Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, and Bulls win. I was a big fan too. But it became obvious certain teams were treated differently by the refs than others. 2 hours ago, Foxx said: the non-call was a lot closer than many of you would like to think. I would argue that it was one of the most if not the most blatant non call I've ever seen in all my years (many) of watching NFL football. There was nothing close about it. What was close about it? Edited January 21, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I stopped paying attention to the NBA a long time ago after seeing way too many late game questionable calls to help the Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, and Bulls win. I was a big fan too. But it became obvious certain teams were treated differently by the refs than others. I would argue that it was one of the most if not the most blatant non call I've ever seen in all my years (many) of watching NFL football. There was nothing close about it. What was close about it? close1 /klōs/ adjective 1. a short distance away or apart in space or time. "the hotel is close to the sea" synonyms: near, adjacent, in close proximity, close/near at hand; players, ball, hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, bobblehead said: Just trying to figure out why the NFL set up a repeat of the World Series They saw how much money baseball made with those teams in the big game and said we can do that too!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 So what happens to the ref that blew the call? Easily the worst non call ever. Never has a play been so obvious. The only way someone could miss that call is by A: not watch it or B: it’s rigged. It’s unbelievable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotSausagePoboy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 18 hours ago, 42Knuck said: Couldn’t agree more. Have believed that since the Ain’ts won the Super Bowl the year Katrina destroyed NO. The worse franchise in the history of the league, not even close, and the win it all. Nice story though. Saints didn’t win it the year after Katrina tho we won in 09-10 Katrina happened in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: So what happens to the ref that blew the call? Easily the worst non call ever. Never has a play been so obvious. The only way someone could miss that call is by A: not watch it or B: it’s rigged. It’s unbelievable WRONG: Not rigged or blind. Just too chicken to make a game deciding call. It's believable, done often by refs in all sports who don't want to take the responsibility of deciding a game when a non call gives the game back to the players to decide. Look at it this way. 2 teams won the coin toss in OT. NO threw a pick & lost the game. NE won the toss and drove down the field for a TD. In both cases the players decided the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven50 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) The Saints game was terrible but the refs screwed over the chiefs against the Pats as well. The ridiculous roughing the passer penalty that gave the Pats a 1st down they scored on was the worst. ...and really wtf is up with Brady hugging the referee before the Chargers game? I have been watching football since my old man used to make me hold up the bunny ears on the TV in 1969. Every year it gets harder and harder to watch. An exciting play happens and you have to wait before you can celebrate because your looking at the TV waiting for the little flag thing to show up. You need a lawyer and 10 different camera angles before you can call a play a play. I used to watch football, any football no matter who was playing. I doubt I will even watch the Superbowl this year and if I do it will just be for the commercials. I honestly don't think I can even call myself a football fan anymore. Just a Bills fan. All this over refereeing and replay has just killed the game for me. Edited January 21, 2019 by steven50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, steven50 said: The Saints game was terrible but the refs screwed over the chiefs against the Pats as well. The ridiculous roughing the passer penalty that gave the Pats a 1st down they scored on was the worst. ...and really wtf is up with Brady hugging the referee before the Chargers game? I have been watching football since my old man used to make me hold up the bunny ears on the TV in 1969. Every year it gets harder and harder to watch. An exciting play happens and you have to wait before you can celebrate because your looking at the TV waiting for the little flag thing to show up. You need a lawyer and 10 different camera angles before you can call a play a play. I used to watch football, any football that was on no matter who was playing. I doubt I will even watch the Superbowl this year and if I do it will just be for the commercials. I honestly don't think I can even call myself a football fan anymore. Just a Bills fan. All this over refereeing and replay has just killed the game for me. I think everyone would agree the game is now too rules-oriented and many of the rules, as worded, are too vague and complex to be quickly and easily enforced. Between reviews, referee pow-wows before making a call, and most of all, TV commercials, the games are so disjointed now with stoppages it is hard to immerse yourself in the vibe of the game and feel like you are watching a game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I 'm not so sure. The NFL has been pumping this NFL in LA thing heavily. Ticket sales have not been great. Today's "win" probably translates into thousands of season tickets to the new Crystal Cathedral. Washing out in LA (again) would be embarrassing for Roger. Again, not going to risk a $100B corporation for a couple thousand ticket sales. And the NFL owners own and run the league, not the commissioner is just an employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Scott7975 said: I read an article the other day. It was CBS saying the best outcome would be Pats Rams. Everybody watches because they hate the Pats and want to see them lose. For the Rams it was about big market and young team. Something to that effect. Can’t seem to find it on my phone. Maybe later when I get home. Best outcome is still minimally better than the alternate outcomes. They are not risking a $100B corporation to insignificantly add a teeny bit more ratings/profits on a single game. Talk about terrible risk vs reward. Let’s gamble a $100B company to charge a few hundred thousand more per commercial in one game. That’s literally the only thing to gain, and honestly I highly doubt it’s even that much, if any at all. And it impacts NEXT years Super Bowl commercial rates, not this years which were locked in and paid for already. They base rates off expected ratings and the previous years game factors into that. Ratings were gonna be strong no matter who made it, all teams had popular and great storylines, all teams had exciting teams. Rigging the Rams and Pats has almost no value other than hoping Rams sell more tickets. And again, they aren’t risking a $100B league, that’s owned by all 32 owners to help one team sell a few more tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I 'm not so sure. The NFL has been pumping this NFL in LA thing heavily. Ticket sales have not been great. Today's "win" probably translates into thousands of season tickets to the new Crystal Cathedral. Washing out in LA (again) would be embarrassing for Roger. Goodell?? WTF does he care if LA tanks? He gets paid either way. He had nothing to do with that. It's his bosses that wanted a team in LA. The Pegulas couldn't raise their hands fast enough when that (near unanimous) vote came up to have the Rams bareback St. Louis and move to LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Nobody was expecting that pass, we can argue on the wisdom in it, so it wasn't a big conspiracy to not make the call.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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