Food_Pyramid_Wrong Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Robert Woods had to relearn the position when he went to another team. Eric Moulds was severely under utilized his first couple years. Not sure why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabby116 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 10 hours ago, The Wiz said: Gibram Hamdan.  I blame jp for taking what could have been a great career away from the chroisen one. oh my, blast from the forgettable past. I forgot about the chroisen one. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: You don't know that. Reed was great on the slant route but Tasker could run the drag like the Wes/Julian did/do. Maybe the rules of the NFL in the 90's would have allowed Belichick to scheme that out, but Tasker I believe would have been huge upgrade from Beebe or Russell Copeland. We were strong at WR1 and WR2 on that team but very weak at WR3. I disagree and think having Tasker there would have made a differenc Beebe and Al Edwards were other WRs that year. Copeland was drafted in 1993 - Beebe missed last 4 games and playoffs that year. Edwards did not have a catch in SB25. And Lofton only had one for 61 yrs.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 34 minutes ago, bmur66 said: Robert Woods had to relearn the position when he went to another team. Eric Moulds was severely under utilized his first couple years. Not sure why. I don't think Moulds was quite ready for the NFL those first few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Â Bill Polian (career with bills was cut short) Â might have built a very long dynasty like NE Edited January 18, 2019 by papazoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Eric Moulds.  HOF talent but played on the wrong teams.  Should have had a bigger career had he played with better teams.  Fred Jackson.  They never committed to him as a feature back and he should have been.  Instead we TWICE drafted a FIRST round RB with a young Fred on the roster.  And the second time we did that, we also had the previous first round RB (a likely HOF RB too) Lynch still here along with Fred.  Lee Evans.  Another wasted talent at WR while playing with train wrecks at QB.  Honorable Mention:  Marcus Easley.  This kid had a bad luck start to his career with a heart condition and also breaking his leg costing him his first 2 seasons.  He was the best ST player we have had probably since Tasker, and in preseason he would show up and display that speed and size as a WR too but never be given the chance to play WE during the season.  Always felt he needed more opportunities as a WR but his early career setbacks buried him on depth chart.      Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: Marshawn Lynch. Wasn't used for the last 8 years. If him and Fred stayed together.... just imagine that duo. CJ Spiller was such a dumb pick. Ticked me off at the time inmediately. I thought highly of Marshawn's ability but he did want to go to Cali. Regardless we had 2 great RBs anyway. Fredex didn't need CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Ask any old guy... Â Daryle Lamonica. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Thurman Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: Ask any old guy... Â Daryle Lamonica. Multiple award! Â ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Tyrod Taylors arm was pretty underutilized no? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: Tyrod Taylors arm was pretty underutilized no? So were his legs under McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 WHEN IS THE THIRD NEEDLESS THREAD rehashing Tasker's accomplishments set to run? Â Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Doug Flutie - he should have been the starter over RJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Chris Hogan. never should have been allowed to escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Josh Reed. In addition to his 311 career receptions, I think that with his experience as a RB, he could have been used in both roles on 3rd downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Logic said: Underused? I'm not sure. OVERused? It's gotta be Shaud Williams. Every time the Bills were in 3rd and a mile, Mularkey would call a draw play to Shaud Williams. Every time. I still have nightmares about it. Ugh. Me too. No offense to Williams, but he had no business being on an NFL field.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Daryle Lamonica and it's not even remotely debatable. He is literally one of the best QBs of his era, and he sat on the bench in Buffalo before being traded for a box of rocks (i.e., Tom Flores). Edited January 18, 2019 by dave mcbride 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Ask any old guy...  Daryle Lamonica. He was one of my favorite old-time stat lines ever - in the 1968 AFL championship game against the Jets, which the Raiders lost 27-23 after the Jets came from behind late with a Namath TD pass to Maynard, he was 20-47 --- but still threw for 401 yards! That's 20 yards per completion! Edited January 18, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He was one of my favorite old-time stat lines ever - in the 1968 AFL championship game against the Jets, which the Raiders lost 27-23 after the Jets came from behind late with a Namath TD pass to Maynard, he was 20-47 --- but still threw for 401 yards! That's 20 yards per completion!  Great stat line indeed.  That was back in the good old days when QBs liked to sling the ball down the field.   And, after all, they didn't call Daryle, "The Mad Bomber" for nothing! Edited January 18, 2019 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Another Fan said: Frank Reich. I'll admit if message boards were around in the early 90's I'd be posting saying he should be the starter. That's if per the coach he wasn't winded I love Frank, always have. Awesome off the bench, and an even better person off the field. One of the greatest backups of all time, imho. However (you knew there would be one), he did get his crack at starting elsewhere beginning with Carolina, and Kerry Collins took it away from him after 3 games. Other stops along the way as well, ended similarly.  "After giving the Bills one more comeback victory late in the 1993 NFL season, Reich signed with the expansion Carolina Panthers in March 1995 to start off their first year. He threw the first touchdown pass in franchise history to former Bills player Pete Metzelaars in Memorial Stadium in Clemson, as Bank of America Stadium was still under construction. The Panthers had drafted Kerry Collins as their intended franchise quarterback, but Reich was the starter for the first three games until Collins was deemed ready to take the starting job. He was sacked 9 times on Sep 3 at Atlanta, a franchise record he shares with Cam Newton. Coincidentally, Reich and Collins hail from rival high schools in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, with Collins having started his high school career at Cedar Crest's crosstown rival, Lebanon High School (although due to age differences, Reich did not play against Collins in high school). Reich was then signed by the New York Jets where he started for seven games in 1996. In 1997, Reich signed with the Detroit Lions, reuniting him with his coach at Maryland, Bobby Ross. Reich appeared in 6 games in 1997, all in relief, and 6 games in 1998, including 2 starts. Reich retired following the 1998 NFL season. In 2014, NFL Hall of Fame Executive Bill Polian, who was general manager of the Bills when they drafted Reich, called him "the greatest backup quarterback in NFL history." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Reich#National_Football_League Edited January 18, 2019 by NoHuddleKelly12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Logic said: Underused? I'm not sure. OVERused? It's gotta be Shaud Williams. Every time the Bills were in 3rd and a mile, Mularkey would call a draw play to Shaud Williams. Every time. I still have nightmares about it.  I'll see your Shaud Williams and raise you Mike Tolbert.  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: WHEN IS THE THIRD NEEDLESS THREAD rehashing Tasker's accomplishments set to run? Â Â Just trying to help a brother out for a "Hall" bump . Hello Peter King, are you reading TBD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:  Tasker wasn't a good receiver lol. How can someone say Tasker was a good receiver then in the next sentence act like Spiller was completely awful.  I get the time period was great, but put Tasker on any drought team and no one is clamoring for him to get more run at receiver. He's a healthy Marcus Easley, if that. Tasker was a good receiver. You obviously are enthralled with stats. Tasker didn't have a lot of receptions and yardage because he wasn't utilized much as a receiver. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good receiver. Watch the tapes.  Spiller had one good season. The rest of the time he did little more than not find the hole or continually attempt to get outside and rarely succeed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Nate Clements as a 2-way player. He probably would’ve been a better WR than some of the stiffs like Josh Reed and Bobby Shaw. Edited January 18, 2019 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I would put Lee Evans up there just because in all his years in Buffalo, he literally had trash throwing to him. Would that qualify as underutilized?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I love Frank, always have. Awesome off the bench, and an even better person off the field. One of the greatest backups of all time, imho. However (you knew there would be one), he did get his crack at starting elsewhere beginning with Carolina, and Kerry Collins took it away from him after 3 games. Other stops along the way as well, ended similarly.  "After giving the Bills one more comeback victory late in the 1993 NFL season, Reich signed with the expansion Carolina Panthers in March 1995 to start off their first year. He threw the first touchdown pass in franchise history to former Bills player Pete Metzelaars in Memorial Stadium in Clemson, as Bank of America Stadium was still under construction. The Panthers had drafted Kerry Collins as their intended franchise quarterback, but Reich was the starter for the first three games until Collins was deemed ready to take the starting job. He was sacked 9 times on Sep 3 at Atlanta, a franchise record he shares with Cam Newton. Coincidentally, Reich and Collins hail from rival high schools in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, with Collins having started his high school career at Cedar Crest's crosstown rival, Lebanon High School (although due to age differences, Reich did not play against Collins in high school). Reich was then signed by the New York Jets where he started for seven games in 1996. In 1997, Reich signed with the Detroit Lions, reuniting him with his coach at Maryland, Bobby Ross. Reich appeared in 6 games in 1997, all in relief, and 6 games in 1998, including 2 starts. Reich retired following the 1998 NFL season. In 2014, NFL Hall of Fame Executive Bill Polian, who was general manager of the Bills when they drafted Reich, called him "the greatest backup quarterback in NFL history." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Reich#National_Football_League Fair enough.  The only team I remember him being on post Buffalo was the 96 Jets.  In Franks defense that team only won 1 game.  So I don’t think he had the same kind of weapons around him post Buffalo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:  Tasker wasn't a good receiver lol. How can someone say Tasker was a good receiver then in the next sentence act like Spiller was completely awful.  I get the time period was great, but put Tasker on any drought team and no one is clamoring for him to get more run at receiver. He's a healthy Marcus Easley, if that. The HOF QB throwing his way (who had plenty of weapons to throw to) went out of his way to request Tasker be converted to the WR unit. That tells me pretty much everything I need to know.  As for the stats, Tasker didn't get to play WR until late in the run, so his window to rack up was also necessarily narrowed. But watch him play as was also suggested above, and you'll see the natural talent/good hands that he had.   2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Tyrod Taylors arm was pretty underutilized no? ‘Failure to Launch’? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Another Fan said: Fair enough.  The only team I remember him being on post Buffalo was the 96 Jets.  In Franks defense that team only won 1 game.  So I don’t think he had the same kind of weapons around him post Buffalo Agreed--and also in Carolina, that was their first expansion year. To say nothing of the Lions, a perennial non-contender, so no question he was hamstrung by a lack of talent around him everywhere after post early 90's Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 15 hours ago, Augie said: If we go strictly by position, I’d say it’s NOT the punter!    ? That's an astute observation!  Our Punters have earned their paychecks, historically speaking.   1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Patrick DiMarco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Butch Rolle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Man we used Larry Centers fairly often and I still felt we should use him more. Dammit Drew...why are all your short passes 100mph??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Our Punters have earned their pay checks, historically speaking. As of late: quantity = yes, quality = no. 3 hours ago, row_33 said: WHEN IS THE THIRD NEEDLESS THREAD rehashing Tasker's accomplishments set to run?   They keep posting new ones so they’re easier for Tasker to find...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: It's probably recency bias... but Robert Woods?  Dont agree with Tasker at all. He maxed out his abilities, he wasn't a good WR in my opinion.  CJ Spiller to an extent could be one. He had a confusing career in terms of trying to explain why it was what it was.  I miss Woods. He's shown for the last two seasons what he's really capable of, caught 86 passes for 1200+ yards and 6 TDs this season. He did have some injury issues during his time in Buffalo, in fact, this season is the first season in which he hasn't missed any games. In Buffalo, he ended up on teams that were run first. He was a good team guy though, he's a solid blocker in the run game. One of my favorite plays of his was when he threw a block on a DB who crashed into another DB behind him, knocking both out of the play as Tyrod ran in the game winning TD against the Titans in... 2015, I think? Yeah, good stuff, good player.  And I agree on CJ. I don't think they were as creative as they needed to be with him. He had that breakout season in 2012 but that was it. Never was really able to keep it up, bounced around the league and last played with KC in 2017. Edited January 18, 2019 by blacklabel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Matt Cassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) I only really started paying attention to football and lurking this board in 2004, the good old days of Ieatcrayonz trolling people, so my knowledge is limited.  I would say Anthony Hargrove, he had suspension issues but aside from that he seemed better as a DE than Kelsay or Denney both of whom played a lot more than him.  Certain players who were undrafted or seen as ore developmental would often need opportunities to showcase their abilities instead of the coaching staff initially recognizing their talent (although perhaps they needed time to develop) perhaps Jabari Greer is another possibility. Edited January 18, 2019 by Reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) On 1/17/2019 at 8:14 PM, Green Lightning said: For the first few years of his career, OJ was totally underused.     If they were serious about him in the first 3 years, even on bad buffalo teams, he would have finished his career at the same time, even with his devastating knee injury in 77(?), but likely would have been in a position to challenge Jim Brown as the all-time leading rusher.  Yep, just checked. 360 more yards in each of his 3 first three seasons would have had him walking off the field in December of '79 in San Francisco, as the NFL's all time leading rusher.  Please excuse the exclusive focus just on football with respect to OJ here. I am just stating numbers.  1969  1,057 instead of 697 1970   848 instead of 488 1971  1,102 instead of 742 Edited January 20, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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