Who was GM when Jason Peters was dealt?

[BADOLBILZ]

58 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Shady has more rushing yards and nearly 2,000 more receiving yards in 2 fewer seasons.

 

Barely more rushing yardage and a similar amount of carries.    The ypc is not that different either despite one back being a will-imposing pounder and the other being a finesse/elusivenss RB.

 

15 more rushing TD's and a ring and two SB appearances with huge postseason moments...........beast quake........the incredible comeback against GB in the NFC championship with Beast Mode back splashing into the end zone..........his place in NFL history is entrenched.

 

Shady has none of that.

 

I do think Shady will eventually get in as well but Lynch is the more significant player in this era of NFL history.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

While giving Peters his tongue bath, keep in mind he missed two season to serious injury. So the Eagles paid him a lot of money to be on IR.

 

Frankly I don't care one lick about Peters. It's hard for me to give a big contact to a player who behaved like he did toward the Bills.

 

 

Your Peters takes are definitely in the "honorable mention" category of worst TSW takes of all time.?

 

Tryna knock the guy for twice tearing his achilles rather than credit him for coming back and still being great..........that's hilarious.?

 

 

[Jauronimo]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Your Peters takes are definitely in the "honorable mention" category of worst TSW takes of all time.?

 

Tryna knock the guy for twice tearing his achilles rather than credit him for coming back and still being great..........that's hilarious.?

 

 

Maybe they'll put an asterisk on his bust in Canton:

 

*Missed some games due to injury

 

I think that's what they will do with Brady, Brees, and Manning too.

[Spiderweb]

9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’ll be honest, I hated Byrd going.  Thought he was one if the best defensive playmakers the Bills ever had.  Talk about dodging a bullet.

 

honestly, it’s funny to talk about but for the most part, this stuff doesn’t real matter unless you have a franchise qb.  We weren’t going to win much with JP Losman, Trent Edwards, and whoever we had at QBs.

Byrd got the most from his abilities and played deep safety reasonably well, in his youth. However I have innumerable plays etched in my brain of where he was late on deep assignments. I remember him getting tagged, signing, and then playing the platar faciitus card. When he bolted, it was don't let the door hit you on the way out.  He got hurt his first year in NO, and then sucked badly for two more years. Slow slow slow, especially by the end. Left a bad taste behind they way he played it 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

9 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away?

 

marshawn isnt HOF

 

 

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's very true that we shouldn't give credit to Beane for McDermott's draft of 2017.

True because of all the scouting McDermott did.  Its not like he was coordinating a Defense while Whaley was scouting players.

Or maybeit was Pegula or the guy that prints the tickets at the stadium.  Anybody but Whaley right.  Truth is it was both Doug and McD as well as the scouts. The Draft is a coordinated effort.  Too much for one person to handle.  I will agree McD had final say though.

Edited January 8, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away?

I was glad to see Lynch go as Buffalo was not the right place for him and was becomming a distraction.  Plus, we had Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller at the time and the roads in Buffalo were safer.  Lynch also isn't a shoe in for the HOF as there's 11 RB's with more career rushing yards not in the HOF.  

 

Jason Peters on the other hand....ughhhhh.  I thought we made the right move at the time.  I was wrong.  We should never trade with Andy Reid again.

[PromoTheRobot]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Your Peters takes are definitely in the "honorable mention" category of worst TSW takes of all time.?

 

Tryna knock the guy for twice tearing his achilles rather than credit him for coming back and still being great..........that's hilarious.?

 

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion, Badol. I have mine. You remember Peters as some kind of martyr. I remember him as selfish, signing a contract with the team that took a chance on him, then quitting on the team because he thought he was God's gift to football. 

 

Was Peters entitled to a raise? Yes. Were the Bills trying to keep his cost down? Yes. Could he have gone about getting it in a better way? Absolutely. Instead he quit on his team and teammates and forced the Bills' hand.

 

As for Peters missing time with an Achilles injury, it only doesn't matter to you because he wasn't a Bill. Do you forget how down we were on Eric Wood for breaking his leg twice early in his career? How people even called him a bust and injury prone? I'm sure Bills fans would be soooo happy paying Peters $10MM/yr being on IR. We are such reasonable people.

 

There's a reason I have a target in my avatar, Badol. You have it out for me. I suggest you relax.

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

True because of all the scouting McDermott did.  Its not like he was coordinating a Defense while Whaley was scouting players.

Or maybeit was Pegula or the guy that prints the tickets at the stadium.  Anybody but Whaley right.  Truth is it was both Doug and McD as well as the scouts. The Draft is a coordinated effort.  Too much for one person to handle.  I will agree McD had final say though.

 

 

"Anybody but Whaley right." Nope. Not anybody. Just McDermott. Two weeks into McDermott's term here the Pegulas had already switched control from Whaley to McDermott. What defence was McDermott coordinating after he was hired by the Bills? He wasn't. 

 

On your point about coordinated effort ... fair enough. I totally agree Whaley was here for a reason and had input. But it was extremely clear who pulled the trigger and ran the process, and it was not Whaley. That was McDermott's draft.

[BillsFan2313]

13 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other.  The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT.  He wanted big time LT money.  He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape.  The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else.  If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys.  

 

I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak.  The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him.  Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year.  But yup, that deal worked out well for them.

 

The Bills signed Langston Walker to play RT, for more money than Peter's was making at LT. Bills should have paid the man what he deserved. 

[Thurman#1]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion, Badol. I have mine. You remember Peters as some kind of martyr. I remember him as selfish, signing a contract with the team that took a chance on him, then quitting on the team because he thought he was God's gift to football. 

 

Was Peters entitled to a raise? Yes. Were the Bills trying to keep his cost down? Yes. Could he have gone about getting it in a better way? Absolutely. Instead he quit on his team and teammates and forced the Bills' hand.

 

As for Peters missing time with an Achilles injury, it only doesn't matter to you because he wasn't a Bill. Do you forget how down we were on Eric Wood for breaking his leg twice early in his career? How people even called him a bust and injury prone?

 

There's a reason I have a target in my avatar, Badol. You have it out for me. I suggest you relax.

 

 

 

Promo, you say that the Bills were "the team that took a chance on him." No. Several teams were interested. The Bills offered a bit of extra money and won the bidding war, but it they hadn't signed him he would have been somewhere else. 

 

And it's nonsense that he quit on the team. He held out. Those two are not the same thing.

 

And your point about Wood doesn't hold either. Do people still call Wood injury-prone? Nope. But Peters has been more consistently reliable over a much longer career. Ten years just in Philly.

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Promo, you say that the Bills were "the team that took a chance on him." No. Several teams were interested. The Bills offered a bit of extra money and won the bidding war, but it they hadn't signed him he would have been somewhere else. 

 

And it's nonsense that he quit on the team. He held out. Those two are not the same thing.

 

And your point about Wood doesn't hold either. Do people still call Wood injury-prone? Nope. But Peters has been more consistently reliable over a much longer career. Ten years just in Philly.

 

Your entitled to your take. I clearly recall people complaining about Wood being injured all the time. Also Peters was a UDFA. There aren't bidding wars for UDFAs. He was also a tight end coming out of Arkansas. The Bills moved him to LT.

Edited January 8, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[formerlyofCtown]

33 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

"Anybody but Whaley right." Nope. Not anybody. Just McDermott. Two weeks into McDermott's term here the Pegulas had already switched control from Whaley to McDermott. What defence was McDermott coordinating after he was hired by the Bills? He wasn't. 

 

On your point about coordinated effort ... fair enough. I totally agree Whaley was here for a reason and had input. But it was extremely clear who pulled the trigger and ran the process, and it was not Whaley. That was McDermott's draft.

Fair enough.  If Whaley was in charge we would have drafted Watson. He really liked Trubisky but Chicago liked him also.

What I was refering to was McDermott was coordinator of the Panthers D while the scouting process was underway in Buffalo.  Doug Whaley was one of the best talent scouts in the game.  

Edited January 8, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[auburnbillsbacker]

9 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Who made Jason Peters great? Mularkey, Jauron? Any guesses?  As good as Mouse McNally was, Peters was a rare physical specimen (who ran a sub 5.0 40 at the combine weighing 330 pounds).  He earned the accolades he received.  And, in careers that often last under 4 years, he wanted to get paid after being among the league's best at perhaps the most difficult position to play next to QB.  

 

Buffalo gave him a raise in 2005 to play RT and he excelled.  He moved to LT in mid-season 2006 and was pretty much dominant (or "dominate" for some fans). 

 

You don't get selected to 9 Pro Bowls, voted 1st Team All-Pro 2 times, and 2nd Team All-Pro 4 other times unless you're talented.  So talented in fact, that Philadelphia immediately gave him a 6 year 60m contract after the trade. Then later signed him to another 50M+ deal.    

 

Buffalo was too cheap to pay elite talent and that's why they traded him.  Thank goodness this organization isn't run as poorly as it was a decade ago. 

 

I agree with a lot of what you said but they were not cheap.  You can't give a guy a new contract every year.  If you did everyone would hold out every year.

[dlonce]

Jason Peters is way overrated. He’s Rueben Brown overrated.

Hes solid, not great.

 

Its a popularity contest and familiarity thing. 

[foreboding]

Old hat, I still do not understand how we let Woods go to LA.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away?

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14 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Pretty sure it was Levy.

 

Incorrect. Twas the great Russell Brandon.

 

So peters he let leave the building? 

[prissythecat]

Peters has certainly collected his share of accolades.  But at the end of the day,  did he really make that big of an impact?   Who was the LT last year when Philly made their run?  I have seen lots of teams either win or make it to the SuperBowl with replacement level LT talent.       Joe Thomas  ,  a contemporary of Peters also considered to be elite,  sure contributed to an awesome run of SuperBowls and multiple deep playoff runs in Cleveland didn't he?      

 

At this point,  who cares if the Bill traded away an LT who they thought was an ass.  Now  If it was a QB that would go on to have a career like say a Brees or Steve Young,  that would be another matter.

Edited January 8, 2019 by prissythecat

[WideNine]

47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They certainly were cheap.

 

You missed the point. Peters signed a contract for RT money and then agreed to play LT a few games later at which he excelled the rest of the year. Which opened the door for Peters to have a big payday here or elsewhere - once the terms of the contract he signed was fulfilled.

 

Can you blame the guy for then wanting LT money?  No, but I blame him for pouting and dragging a$$ the last few years of the contract he signed and he would never have had the shot to get LT money if it were not for the Bills coaching him up and trying him at the position.

 

Fixed.

 

Peters also took on the infamous negotiation-killer Eugene Parker as an agent. I don't buy the whole honorable wanted-to-be-here BS. Actions speak louder than words, and Peters actions to me were simply self-serving. Do I blame players for looking out for number one, not in the least, but lets not turn them into some kind of martyrs.

 

He went after the LT money and did not want to wait for the contract he signed to be fulfilled - is what it is. Would Buffalo had been wise to renegotiate his contract, tough to say as it would have opened the door to the same happening to any of their players who excelled at the positions they were in. Hindsight being 20/20 they could have just left him at RT and tried him out at LT the final year of his contract to avoid the whole allure of LT money.

 

On another note I read an article that indicated that the gap between LT pay and the rest of the o-line is shrinking. I think for a time the advent of premier blind-side pass rushers (for right handed QBs) made the LT spot worth every dime, but more teams are rushing from either side and have complex blitzes and stunts to attack the middle. It is getting harder to hide the weak links.

[The Bills Blog]

16 hours ago, unbillievable said:

How many felt that letting Jarius Byrd go was history repeating itself?

It's JAIRUS!

 

As soon as I saw him mentioned, I KNEW the name would be misspelled. Why does everyone do this?

[BillsFan1988]

16 hours ago, unbillievable said:

 

What game where you watching?

Peters was not good in pass protection. He was as dominant as an orange traffic cone.

Philadelphia game planned around the bears pass rush.

I think the better question was what gm u were watching bud? They left him 1 on 1 for the majority of the gm. JP did his job. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Never said he was a martyr, but the Bills played it terribly.

 

Was Eugene Parker a negotiation killer anywhere else? He played the Bills his entire career because the Bills were a third rate organization towards the end of RWs years as owner. 

 

Dont want to play for the Bills anymore? Cool. Hold out and demand a trade and they will eventually cave and give you what you want. THATS the door that was opened. t was pretty bad for a while. 

 

How are people arguing it would've been foolish to pay a HOF LT what he deserved and wanted? ?

 

That's a great tactic. Give me a new deal because I'm going to be a Hall of Famer.

[wiskibreth]

To this day, i just cant seem to understand by some fans still lament old trade deals/lost players.

Edited January 8, 2019 by wiskibreth

[Chicken Boo]

22 hours ago, jahbonas said:

In return for Peters we received Eric Wood (for 5 yrs on a rookie deal)  + the millions in salary cap freed up each yr in not having highest paid LT in football

 

I'd much rather have the Hall of Fame left tackle for the following 10 years.

[Malazan]

Who started a thread about who was GM when Peters was dealt because they don't know how Google works?

[PromoTheRobot]

28 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was already an established GREAT tackle.

 

The Bills played it TERRIBLY. There is no argument really. They ***** it up which wasn't a surprise considering how the franchise was run in Wilsons later years. They were essentially an expansion team for the rest of the league.

 

For some reason fans are still apologizing for them. Not sure why.

 

He was a good tackle, certainly hall of fame in his mind and that of his agent Eugene Parker. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion, Badol. I have mine. You remember Peters as some kind of martyr. I remember him as selfish, signing a contract with the team that took a chance on him, then quitting on the team because he thought he was God's gift to football. 

 

Was Peters entitled to a raise? Yes. Were the Bills trying to keep his cost down? Yes. Could he have gone about getting it in a better way? Absolutely. Instead he quit on his team and teammates and forced the Bills' hand.

 

As for Peters missing time with an Achilles injury, it only doesn't matter to you because he wasn't a Bill. Do you forget how down we were on Eric Wood for breaking his leg twice early in his career? How people even called him a bust and injury prone? I'm sure Bills fans would be soooo happy paying Peters $10MM/yr being on IR. We are such reasonable people.

 

There's a reason I have a target in my avatar, Badol. You have it out for me. I suggest you relax.

 

 

I don't remember Peters as a martyr.........I remember him as the greatest player(only will-be 1st ballot HOF'er) to suit up for the Bills this century though.

 

You've earned your self-affixed target..........you talked massive amounts of sh*t on here for two decades...........peddling hate-filled propaganda in support since-proven-disastrous front office/coaching and now you are going to get called out.

 

And speaking of martyrs........woe is you.......the only reason that you were even mentioned in this thread is because you had to "open your mouth and remove all doubt" about your ability to even be rational in retrospect.

 

The guy is a first ballot HOF'er.........the GM was a disaster and later shamed out of the organization altogether..........the organizational policies of the time are now understood to be complete BS.........and yet you stick with your blame of the player.

 

And btw.........I wouldn't even consider a suggestion from you until you show you can be accountable for your horshit takes of the drought era.  

 

Man-up for chrissakes............you and all the other apologists who vehemently defended all the harm done to this fanbase by bad management over the past two decades.

[Maine-iac]

I'm going to be honest and no one is going to like it but this is how I remember it.  Peters was not that great.  He flashed.  He was a converted TE so he was quick and yet still strong but he gave up a ton of sacks, took plays off, and had a ton of penalties.  He had only started for us a couple of years and the year we let him go was his worst for all of that.  We had two horrible deals with Dockery and that other scrub from the Raiders so we weren't looking to over spend on another half hearted OL player and Peters wanted out badly.  Was he super talented ......... absolutely.   He also had a lot of bad plays especially for us.  He continued the same problems the next couple of years for the Eagles also which is why I find it funny so many people love him now.  Maybe because the Eagles are winning.

[Rico]

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I don't remember Peters as a martyr.........I remember him as the greatest player(only will-be 1st ballot HOF'er) to suit up for the Bills this century though.

 

You've earned your self-affixed target..........you talked massive amounts of sh*t on here for two decades...........peddling hate-filled propaganda in support since-proven-disastrous front office/coaching and now you are going to get called out.

 

And speaking of martyrs........woe is you.......the only reason that you were even mentioned in this thread is because you had to "open your mouth and remove all doubt" about your ability to even be rational in retrospect.

 

The guy is a first ballot HOF'er.........the GM was a disaster and later shamed out of the organization altogether..........the organizational policies of the time are now understood to be complete BS.........and yet you stick with your blame of the player.

 

And btw.........I wouldn't even consider a suggestion from you until you show you can be accountable for your horshit takes of the drought era.  

 

Man-up for chrissakes............you and all the other apologists who vehemently defended all the harm done to this fanbase by bad management over the past two decades.

There are a lot of new posters in here since the BBMB board went down, and this thread and especially your posts have proven to be very educational in showing them just who among the long-time posters have had the most consistently WRONG takes in TSW history. Consider this a service, newbies.

[boater]

On 1/7/2019 at 6:26 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other.  The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT.  He wanted big time LT money.  He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape.  The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else.  If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys.  

 

I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak.  The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him.  Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year.  But yup, that deal worked out well for them.

This ^^^

 

I'm a bit bitter toward Peters because the Bills gave this UDFA a big break and he dominated...but later he wouldn't return any sort of hometown loyalty, he became all about the $$. No gratitude. Selfish prick.

[JMF2006]

On 1/7/2019 at 6:16 PM, LSHMEAB said:

Pretty sure it was Levy.

 

Incorrect. Twas the great Russell Brandon.

 

He wanted 10m per and I think the Bills were offering 5m which was a huge raise but not his true value.

[JMF2006]

BTW anyone remember the the "Son of Mailman Malone" ?

 

His last name was Bell and he was supposed to be Peters replacement and a sure fire HOFer with his bloodline. 

 

They kid was a turnstile  

Edited January 9, 2019 by JMF2006

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, boater said:

This ^^^

 

I'm a bit bitter toward Peters because the Bills gave this UDFA a big break and he dominated...but later he wouldn't return any sort of hometown loyalty, he became all about the $$. No gratitude. Selfish prick.

 

Let's not pretend this was some off radar prospect............there were draft observers projecting him as a first rounder after an amazing performance at the combine.

 

He left Arkansas early because he was being told he was going to be moved from TE to OT and drafted early.

 

An Arkansas staff that rarely threw him the ball and yet was bitter about his early departure talked him down to teams.    They said don't trust this guy because he wasn't willing to wait for his turn to be a bigger part of the offense........and hey, he's working out harder in the draft process than he did at Arkansas!(even though he was AT ARKANSAS working out with teammates and not off at some agent sponsored training facility).

 

So he got the short end by the system..........instead of possibly getting a $10M+ signing bonus and 6 year contract that it's obvious now that his ability warranted.......he became a UDFA.

 

Everyone knew he was the best athlete of the OT group in that draft..........he proved that........it's not like someone found him.

 

So he agreed to sign with the Bills as a UDFA and the Bills hardly used him in preseason........not letting tape get out of his play.......and then CUT him with intent to stash him on the PS.

 

Yep.......they actually cut the future HOF LT..........and Peters actually visited the Giants before joining the Bills practice squad and quickly earning his way onto the roster and just dominating the man in front of him.

 

 He even became probably the largest man to ever block a punt that year.    Just a total freak athlete at that size.

 

A little a year over later they coyly signed him to a RT level contract and then quickly moved him to LT.

 

It's not like this dude slowly developed.........he was probably the best RT in football in his SECOND season..........and finished his THIRD season as the league's best LT.

 

At each step in the college and draft process people were trying to put the brakes on his ascension..........it's easy to see why he got frustrated.

 

Then he got to Philly and a smart staff paid him and whaddya know..........turns out he's viewed as not only a great player but a great teammate.

 

As Andy Reid went on to say.........he was the "Peyton Manning" of offensive lineman.

[dayman]

People can say he was hurt and expensive and disgruntled and yada yada but we knew damn well Peters was great and we let him go. It was stupid. He's had a decade of excellent play since he's left and he's at a position where the money is worth it even you think you overpay. 

[GaryPinC]

If memory serves, Derrick Dockery, Langston Walker, and Melvin freaking Fowler were all getting paid more than Peters. 

 

Some time later, there was an article mentioning that Dockery was caught watching Redskins game film in the Bills film room.

 

I didn't like that Peters mailed it in his last season, but Jesus FC that O-line was dreadful and our by-far best linemen was one of the worst paid and also being disrespected by an incompetent organization.  In the end, I can't fault the guy for forcing his way out.

[WideNine]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Let's not pretend this was some off radar prospect............there were draft observers projecting him as a first rounder after an amazing performance at the combine.

 

He left Arkansas early because he was being told he was going to be moved from TE to OT and drafted early.

 

An Arkansas staff that rarely threw him the ball and yet was bitter about his early departure talked him down to teams.    They said don't trust this guy because he wasn't willing to wait for his turn to be a bigger part of the offense........and hey, he's working out harder in the draft process than he did at Arkansas!(even though he was AT ARKANSAS working out with teammates and not off at some agent sponsored training facility).

 

So he got the short end by the system..........instead of possibly getting a $10M+ signing bonus and 6 year contract that it's obvious now that his ability warranted.......he became a UDFA.

 

Everyone knew he was the best athlete of the OT group in that draft..........he proved that........it's not like someone found him.

 

So he agreed to sign with the Bills as a UDFA and the Bills hardly used him in preseason........not letting tape get out of his play.......and then CUT him with intent to stash him on the PS.

 

Yep.......they actually cut the future HOF LT..........and Peters actually visited the Giants before joining the Bills practice squad and quickly earning his way onto the roster and just dominating the man in front of him.

 

 He even became probably the largest man to ever block a punt that year.    Just a total freak athlete at that size.

 

A little a year over later they coyly signed him to a RT level contract and then quickly moved him to LT.

 

It's not like this dude slowly developed.........he was probably the best RT in football in his SECOND season..........and finished his THIRD season as the league's best LT.

 

At each step in the college and draft process people were trying to put the brakes on his ascension..........it's easy to see why he got frustrated.

 

Then he got to Philly and a smart staff paid him and whaddya know..........turns out he's viewed as not only a great player but a great teammate.

 

As Andy Reid went on to say.........he was the "Peyton Manning" of offensive lineman.

 

So everyone knew he was the best OT in the draft, yet every team let him slide and then let the Bills pick him up as an UFA???

 

It was not that he played TE for 2 years at Arkansas after being recruited as a defensive tackle and sitting out his freshman year as a reserve defensive linemen, and then entering the draft as an offensive lineman sans any actual experience as an offensive lineman that threw teams off?

 

Could it be that he was just too flexible in regards to playing different positions that no teams knew how they would use him? I wont argue that Peters was an athletic freak and phenom, but he was a misfit too....at least early on. If he was all that and a known commodity from the get-go the Bills would not have been able to both cut him and stash him on their practice squad without some other team grabbing him.

 

Rather than our slanted fan history that Peters had HOF Left Tackle printed on his undrafted FA packing slip, and that there was some conspiracy to keep the man down we could disagree forever...

 

Or we could take Jason Peters own take at the time of the events.

 

"Sometimes you can be too versatile that they can't find a spot for you, but I kept pushing," said Peters, the first Bills offensive lineman since Ruben Brown in 2003, and first offensive tackle since Howard Ballard in 1993, to be headed to the Pro Bowl. "I just go out and try to get better than I was the day before."

 

That's when Peters asked former head coach Mike Mularkey to "put me in a spot and keep me there."

 

You can read the whole interview prior to his pro-bowl here:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d80546e70/article/undrafted-free-agent-peters-defies-odds-in-making-first-pro-bowl

 

Did the Bills mishandle it, in hindsight of course they did...they should never have tied up the money they did into Williams who ate himself off the team, then Dockery and Walker in free agency, and Mike Gandy was not their answer at LT. They threw good money at middling to bad prospects and likely left little room for the emergence of Peters...

 

At the time of Peters rather obvious unhappiness with his pay a lot of teams were interested in him. A disgruntled young pro-bowl Left Tackle, who wouldn't be? But not many could afford what Philly eventually agreed to pay. So it is fair to say that a lot of teams (not just the Bills) missed out on the services of Jason Peters.

 

There is a lesson there if the Bills dive into FA o-linemen market this off season to not tie up so much of your cap that you cannot do right by the young players they are developing today.

 

Since this thread seems to be devoted to the perfect clarity of hindsight - nice article on former Bills players and coaches represented in this years post season. As most things in life there are moves OBD has done past and fairly present that appear to be good moves (Kelvin Benjamin, Sammy Watkins) and then there are players and coaches that have found success elsewhere (they include Peters).

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/g66l-2019/01/230e2cb6ba1364/many-former-buffalo-bills-play.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2019 by WideNine

[Punching Bag]

17 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

The Bills signed Langston Walker to play RT, for more money than Peter's was making at LT. Bills should have paid the man what he deserved. 

 

Should you do that with every player who currently shows more than others making more than them?  No.  Players do not give money back if they do not perform.  His agent could have included clause giving him bonuses if he was switched to LT so why did not Peters complain to agent?

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Peters was injury prone and didn't wanna be in Buffalo.

 

The Bills actually made the right decision when they decided to move on from him.

Peters missed only two games due to "injury" in Buffalo -- his final two, right after the Bills had been eliminated from the playoffs and (presumably) becasue the organization was bent on keeping him healthy in order to extract max draft capital (which they did). Otherwise, he was extremely healthy in Buffalo.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

22 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

I think the better question was what gm u were watching bud? They left him 1 on 1 for the majority of the gm. JP did his job. 

I agree, JP basically shut Mack down by himself. Bruce got shut down by Webb a few game's too, a few. Note to The Bean, if you ever find a LT like JP you pay him what he wants.

[BillsFan2313]

8 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Should you do that with every player who currently shows more than others making more than them?  No.  Players do not give money back if they do not perform.  His agent could have included clause giving him bonuses if he was switched to LT so why did not Peters complain to agent?

 

Langston Walker couldn't hold Peter's jock now or back then. Peters played at a high level, at a more premium position, and he sees the less superior position make more than him. This also includes Derek Dockery. Instead of signing those two bums, the money should have been spent on Peters.