Coach Tuesday Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Interesting tidbit from PFT: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/21/rams-knew-early-on-that-ndamukong-wasnt-the-same-old-suh/ "As one source pointed out to PFT, the Rams’ first choice was Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes, but Buffalo and L.A. couldn’t work out a deal before the deadline. Maybe Hughes will become the Rams’ next target in 2019, when Suh and/or Fowler leave as free agents." Edited December 21, 2018 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 This was reported in the first few weeks of the season. Surprised to see them bring this up again like it’s new 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Yep...we're probably going pass rushing DE early in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I thought it was first reported at the trade deadline. My questions would be who approached who and who really wanted to make a deal? My guess is that the Rams approached Beane and were the ones who really wanted to get a deal for Hughes. This would suggest that while Beane had some interest, he's not necessarily shopping Hughes and actively looking for a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I think that every team probably has talks about just about all of their starting/valuable players over the course of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Hughes,Murphy,,Lawson,Yarbrough,(?)all under contract at east one more year Bills arent desperate, but ood to start developing young DE(s) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Hughes has been one of the best trades the Bills have ever made. Unlike a lot of players who get their payday and digress, Hughes got better. I'm hoping Hughes retires a Bill. 27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yep...we're probably going pass rushing DE early in the draft. Which would be a good thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 This isn’t new. It was mentioned early in season and near deadline buffalo isn’t moving him unless it’s a 1st or 2nd. personally I don’t like trading players for a pick you need to use to rep,ace what got traded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, djp14150 said: This isn’t new. It was mentioned early in season and near deadline buffalo isn’t moving him unless it’s a 1st or 2nd. personally I don’t like trading players for a pick you need to use to rep,ace what got traded. Agree with all of this. Especially right now, when we (are about to) have tons of cap room and tons of holes to fill. I'm also against cutting guys to save cap right now. If (Clay) a player (Clay) isn't helping the team (Clay), that's one thing, but if he's good but just not worth the money? Keep him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, gjv001 said: Hughes has been one of the best trades the Bills have ever made. Unlike a lot of players who get their payday and digress, Hughes got better. I'm hoping Hughes retires a Bill. Yeah Hughes is one of the best players on the team. I'd love for 21 more guys like him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Clearly the Bills realized they couldn't part with one of their few pass rushers or they would have moved him. If the Rams wanted to get crazy and offer a first, Beane may have played ball. Otherwise, no thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, gjv001 said: Hughes has been one of the best trades the Bills have ever made. Unlike a lot of players who get their payday and digress, Hughes got better. I'm hoping Hughes retires a Bill. Yeah, he has been a fantastic Bill for us these past several years. His penalties might be a reason he isn't mentioned in the same sentence as Kyle and Eric Wood, but Hughes has basically been another excellent player that has given his all for the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, djp14150 said: This isn’t new. It was mentioned early in season and near deadline buffalo isn’t moving him unless it’s a 1st or 2nd. personally I don’t like trading players for a pick you need to use to rep,ace what got traded. Agreed. Hughes is one of the premier edge rushers in the league and he is having one of his best seasons. Stupid to trade him for anything other than a first...A far more valuable, and difficult to replace, piece than McCoy ever was. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I understand the Rams backed off when they learned of the Illuminati conspiracy to prevent holding calls on Jerry, thereby suppressing hi sack totals. They originally and naively thought at first it was just typical ‘uncalled NFL holding’ they only found out later just how deep this goes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Again, why in the ***** are you trading Hughes? Agreed. We have a very solid 30 year old pass rusher locked up, on the cheap, for another season. Let’s not create another need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I would not be surprised if we make a push for Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Agreed. We have a very solid 30 year old pass rusher locked up, on the cheap, for another season. Let’s not create another need. They should be looking at drafting his successor first. 21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would not be surprised if we make a push for Clowney. I would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I'd rather he stay but business is business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He's 30. Not 35. Im all for drafting a pass rusher in the first, but Hughes has plenty of football left and they should pay him again if he continues play at this level. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, especially when it comes to pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Again, why in the ***** are you trading Hughes? If they are giving a first round draft choice why ******* not? 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I thought it was first reported at the trade deadline. My questions would be who approached who and who really wanted to make a deal? My guess is that the Rams approached Beane and were the ones who really wanted to get a deal for Hughes. This would suggest that while Beane had some interest, he's not necessarily shopping Hughes and actively looking for a replacement. Sound thought, unusual for TBD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pablocruise said: Hughes,Murphy,,Lawson,Yarbrough,(?)all under contract at east one more year Bills arent desperate, but ood to start developing young DE(s) One good pass rusher out of the 4 is not good for the DE position. I think you could make a good case for DE in the first round. Or DT. Edited December 21, 2018 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 hours ago, djp14150 said: This isn’t new. It was mentioned early in season and near deadline buffalo isn’t moving him unless it’s a 1st or 2nd. personally I don’t like trading players for a pick you need to use to rep,ace what got traded. Not necessarily bad if you get good production out of a rook thru year 4 - helps with the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yep...we're probably going pass rushing DE early in the draft. I think the Bills were hoping for a great haul from the win now Rams who might have overpaid for a pass rusher like Hughes. It doesn't shock me that the Bills who struggled early in the year might have listened to an offer for Hughes. A second round pick and a late or mid round pick is likely the offer the Bills wanted. The Rams were probably willing to offer a third rounder and considering the value Hughes could have to the team in 2019 its likely they weren't trading him unless they got a good return. I wouldn't rule out pass rusher in round 1 but I don't think that's a given. I think they go BPA either an OT, Pass rusher, or Corner. Edited December 21, 2018 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 They should be looking to extend Hughes instead of trading him.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: So again, trade away a good established NFL player for an unknown low 1st rounder..... why? Maybe because he's a proud AARP card holder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Hughes is not close to a premiere pass rusher in the NFL. Only a very subjective Bill's fan would say such a thing. He's a solid player who runs hot and cold. He'll have 2 or 3 games a season where he looks like an unblockable speed demon, but he also will disappear for a month. He's been a great find for the Bill's, but theyd be smart to listen to any and all offers if there are interested teams this offseason. Hughes will be 31 next season, which in the world of DEs isn't over the hill, but it is entering the older stage. He has 1 year left on a reasonable deal that owes him $7.5M in cash next year, which is very cheap and helps his trade value quite a bit. If a team offered a 3rd rounder in the 2019 draft this offseason I'd be tempted, especially if it was a high 3rd, say a top 80 pick. 2nd, 3rd, 4th are gold if they hit. Their rookie deals pay them 1/8th of what they're worth of they become players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Interesting tidbit from PFT: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/21/rams-knew-early-on-that-ndamukong-wasnt-the-same-old-suh/ "As one source pointed out to PFT, the Rams’ first choice was Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes, but Buffalo and L.A. couldn’t work out a deal before the deadline. Maybe Hughes will become the Rams’ next target in 2019, when Suh and/or Fowler leave as free agents." It's one thing to target a 35 YO guy in the last year of his contract who may get you over the top this coming season when you think you can make a deep playoff run. Give up a low round pick to rent the player for the rest of the season. It's another thing to maybe offer a 2 or 3 year contract to a guy his age who is now a free agent looking for the most $$ and can sign where ever he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 6 hours ago, gjv001 said: Hughes has been one of the best trades the Bills have ever made. Unlike a lot of players who get their payday and digress, Hughes got better. I'm hoping Hughes retires a Bill. Agreed. If I'm drafting a defensive lineman first in this draft, it's to play with him not replace him with. Grab some young pass rushers to learn from Hughes and Williams and Alexander. Hughes and Williams have been fun this season with Zo in there too but we need to invest too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) This is a shame. It is too bad we don’t have enough cap space in 2019 for a high performing veteran who is already under and in our cap figure for 2019. ? i’ll also never get this ongoing misunderstanding by some in this fan base that thinks Hughes is a FA in 2019 that we have to find a way to move. not necessarily the point of the OT, but still it comes up more than you think. Edited December 22, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Hughes has been a pillar for the Bills. He sometines gets some kind of pressure on the QB ( The stat that is the new fad ) and often has those game changing plays which keeps opposing team's drive alive with a stupid 15 yard penalty. Unfortunately Hughes has been blacklisted by the NFL. He never, ever gets a holding call against him. I don't undertand the love for this player that is invisible for most games. Then he has one good play and just like CLAY, the love doesnt stop flowing. Good riddance Hughes and bring Clay with you! 12 hours ago, ScottLaw said: So again, trade away a good established NFL player for an unknown low 1st rounder..... why? Hughes for a First rounder......The laughs keep on coming on this forum! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 16 hours ago, djp14150 said: This isn’t new. It was mentioned early in season and near deadline buffalo isn’t moving him unless it’s a 1st or 2nd. personally I don’t like trading players for a pick you need to use to rep,ace what got traded. Agreed... Unless you can get a Khalil Mack-type player with that pick, why trade a known commodity for an unknown one, unless there's contract/off the field issues? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Interesting tidbit from PFT: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/21/rams-knew-early-on-that-ndamukong-wasnt-the-same-old-suh/ "As one source pointed out to PFT, the Rams’ first choice was Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes, but Buffalo and L.A. couldn’t work out a deal before the deadline. Maybe Hughes will become the Rams’ next target in 2019, when Suh and/or Fowler leave as free agents." From back in November just after the trade deadline. Sources: Rams inquired about Clowney, Hughes Then, as they continued discussions with the Jaguars regarding Fowler, the Rams also made a push as recently as last week to acquire Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes, only to get rejected by Buffalo as well, according to sources. Edited December 22, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: From back in November just after the trade deadline. Sources: Rams inquired about Clowney, Hughes Then, as they continued discussions with the Jaguars regarding Fowler, the Rams also made a push as recently as last week to acquire Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes, only to get rejected by Buffalo as well, according to sources. Good...and damn straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 13 hours ago, ScottLaw said: So again, trade away a good established NFL player for an unknown low 1st rounder..... why? Bill Polian once stated in the mid 1980's that the Bills were a failed organization because they held on to "Fan Favorites" too long and got nothing in return except a drop in production, injury, and eventually release or retirement!! Why trade - KW95 said it best! Hughes has been a pillar for the Bills. He sometines gets some kind of pressure on the QB ( The stat that is the new fad ) and often has those game changing plays which keeps opposing team's drive alive with a stupid 15 yard penalty. Unfortunately Hughes has been blacklisted by the NFL. He never, ever gets a holding call against him. I don't undertand the love for this player that is invisible for most games. Then he has one good play and just like CLAY, the love doesnt stop flowing. Good riddance Hughes and bring Clay with you! Just now, vorpma said: Bill Polian once stated in the mid 1980's that the Bills were a failed organization because they held on to "Fan Favorites" too long and got nothing in return except a drop in production, injury, and eventually release or retirement!! Why trade - KW95 said it best! Hughes has been a pillar for the Bills. He sometines gets some kind of pressure on the QB ( The stat that is the new fad ) and often has those game changing plays which keeps opposing team's drive alive with a stupid 15 yard penalty. Unfortunately Hughes has been blacklisted by the NFL. He never, ever gets a holding call against him. I don't undertand the love for this player that is invisible for most games. Then he has one good play and just like CLAY, the love doesnt stop flowing. Good riddance Hughes and bring Clay with you! And he is 31 - give me a high draft pick in a second and make it count! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 4 hours ago, KW95 said: Hughes has been a pillar for the Bills. He sometines gets some kind of pressure on the QB ( The stat that is the new fad ) and often has those game changing plays which keeps opposing team's drive alive with a stupid 15 yard penalty. Unfortunately Hughes has been blacklisted by the NFL. He never, ever gets a holding call against him. I don't undertand the love for this player that is invisible for most games. Then he has one good play and just like CLAY, the love doesnt stop flowing. Good riddance Hughes and bring Clay with you! Hughes for a First rounder......The laughs keep on coming on this forum! Sacks are like home runs. Don't happen often but mean a ton when the occur. If you get rid of Hughes, you damn well better be bringing in a ton of pass rushers because even he's not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 19 hours ago, BillsSB2020 said: Sacks are like home runs. Don't happen often but mean a ton when the occur. If you get rid of Hughes, you damn well better be bringing in a ton of pass rushers because even he's not enough. Cant agree with you more, his 6.0 sacks in 14 games were game breakers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Did not happen so,water over the dam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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