Billsfan1972 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Geez give your QB a shot. Actually 3 players were in the back, but when a qb is scrambling & not the last play of the game, you work your way back. The ball was in the air 3 second & Clay was incapable of moving 7 yards to catch the ball (wide open). As an earlier poster said that was a 60 yard throw by Allen. Sorry was not ready to read through the 10 pages on whether it was a drop or not. A real receiver easily catches it as he is moving back to be part of the play. BTW what were 3 Bills doing in the end zone on third & 11??? Edited December 3, 2018 by Billsfan1972 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 it's been said here a bunch since the game yesterday, but Clay is hot garbage and shouldn't have been let back on the plane for the ride home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 If that was Croom instead of Clay, then that ball would have been caught. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Allen was doing his Fran Tarkington impression and the others were just trying to be open. IMO Clay was thinking TD instead of 1st down. Major brain flatulence. That was a terrible attempt to catch that ball but o well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 They were playing a last play of the game type play but because of the throw Clay actually had time to catch it outside the endzone for 1st and goal with just under a min to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 He threw it as far as he could. Think about a receiver running running 80 yards downfield and waving his hands that he's open..... That's exactly how stoopid I envision Clay.... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: He threw it as far as he could. Think about a receiver running running 80 yards downfield and waving his hands that he's open..... That's exactly how stoopid I envision Clay.... Running to his left throwing back to the right after eluding pass rushers for 5 or 6 seconds. if they start making a point of finding WRs who adjust well to school yard ball and keep alive well, defenses are going to hate playing the Bills 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The guy needs to be cut he should be all over the place trying to get open when his QB is scrambling & he just isn't that guy ! He is always hurt & i believe his effort is second rate ! The return the Bills have gotten on the contract they gave him well lets just say they got screwed & they would have been better off keeping O'Leary for the money & effort the guy gave he's a lot better person to have on the team !! Just saying !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What is he doing in the back of the end zone? Counting all the money he ain't ******* earned. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 All of our TE's need to be released and replaced. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: If that was Croom instead of Clay, then that ball would have been caught. If that was a 6 year old Little Loop WR instead of Clay that ball would have been caught. It was like a soft pop fly to center field, a complete lack of judgement and depth perception until it was too late. Clay is a POS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What’s he doing on the Bills? That’s the real question! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 And if caught today the Playoff questions would be where all the posts are. BTW what's wrong with Allen's arm that he couldn't throw cross his body 60 yards???? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, WhoTom said: What is he doing in the back of the end zone? Counting all the money he ain't ******* earned. $190k per catch he's made in Buffalo. $2.8 million per TD catch. Good gig if you can get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It was 4th and 11 and if Clay catches that ball even outside the end zone, he could've rolled over the goal-line without being touched, there was no one near him. Dude just tripped over his own feet and lost track of the ball. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 yards deep in the end zone - closer to the tunnel when the game's over. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: All of our TE's need to be released and replaced. I've got no problem with Croom and Thomas as talented projects and backups. Thomas is useful as an emergency /trick play QB too. I do have a problem with them being the starters at this point in their careers. Clay is obviously not very good and catching passes - this is hardly the first time he failed to complete a make-able play - he did it to TT a lot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 you need the primary and secondary targets to both be past the first down marker. Use one sideline and also cross the middle. Sending someone deep to clear the zone and pull a safety away is smart. I think we had a lot of guys deep because the Allen's scramble was so long and the receivers kept going deeper ... which is the wrong thing to do. The check down guy was on the other side of the field and covered. Our players are just not very good and even the experienced ones are not very football smart. Winning Team looks like this => Kelly had Reed, Lofton, Beebe, Tasker, McKeller, Metzellars, Rolle, Thurman, Davis, Mueller, and Garner. An arsenal of diverse talents. All of them could run, catch and block. Most of them had great football smarts. Three HoF players and one close to it. Losing Team looks like this => Poor Josh Allen has Benjamin, Jones, Foster, McKinzie, Holmes, Clay, Croom, Logan Thomas, McCoy, Ivory, DiMarco, and some other RB that cant ever block or catch. Underachievers, street free agents, a few aging players past their prime None of Allen's weapons could make the team that Kelly had except for McCoy and maybe Jones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Clay and Benjamin gave up on playing football. They both need to be benched. Both should not be on the team next year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Immediately said this upon the incompletion.. But it makes Allens throw even more impressive... he got the ball to a lazy/gassed/whatever receiver that still should have caught the damn ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 59 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: He threw it as far as he could. Think about a receiver running running 80 yards downfield and waving his hands that he's open..... That's exactly how stoopid I envision Clay.... It wasn’t a perfect throw by Allen and he even said it came out of his hand wrong. (You can even see the ball fluttering a bit) BUT... You are correct that an NFL receiver has to make that play. Clay has to help his QB out there and make that catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Clyde Smith said: If that was Croom instead of Clay, then that ball would have been caught. he had a slight letdown there, no biggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 A baseball analogy I see is when a slugger takes a big swing but makes contact with the ball outside the sweet spot. Based on the launch angle the outfielder may tend to stay deep or even drift toward the fence but then realize it was mishit and then suddenly try to reverse direction toward the ball. It's tough to overcome the misread and the false steps. The Bills receiving corp has probably learned to get and stay deep on his broken play throws because Josh Allen has a uniquely powerful arm. That flutter ball which traveled 50 to 55 yards was tough to read and react to. Blame shared equally, imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Partially to blame on coaching, why are we calling a do or die play when there is still plenty of time on the clock? We just needed the first down.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Partially to blame on coaching, why are we calling a do or die play when there is still plenty of time on the clock? We just needed the first down.... With all due respect, we have no idea what the actual play call was. What Josh managed to turn it into was way off script but damn close to a win on a totally busted coverage. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, Looper said: 8 yards deep in the end zone - closer to the tunnel when the game's over. Wanted to get to the post game 'rumble'...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, row_33 said: he had a slight letdown there, no biggie Slight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I missed the 2nd half of the game. I finally saw the video of this play. I must say, JA did everything he possibly could've done on that play to get his team a win. Shame on Clay for such a poor attempt on catching that ball. I know it was not a perfect pass, but...What else can I say that hasn't been said. Clay needs to be gone. Soon. I think once we get some help, this kid can be something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: With all due respect, we have no idea what the actual play call was. What Josh managed to turn it into was way off script but damn close to a win on a totally busted coverage. Regardless, good coaching has receivers coming back to the QB on "busted plays/scrambles". No excuse for 3 receivers standing at the back of the end zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Regardless, good coaching has receivers coming back to the QB on "busted plays/scrambles". I think by now these Pro players know this. Players have to make plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, bmur66 said: Allen was doing his Fran Tarkington impression and the others were just trying to be open. IMO Clay was thinking TD instead of 1st down. Major brain flatulence. That was a terrible attempt to catch that ball but o well. This. Not only did he not need to do whatever awkward fall down dive attempt that was... he short armed it. He is trying to catch in his belly like a crocodile instead of just reach his effing hands out. Thats why I am so damn mad about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Not reading this entire thread but it's easier to come back to the pass then go from it. Not to mention if he is short of the end zone he must cross the plane and not fumble or have it stripped for an incompletion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He was getting wide open. It's easier to come back for a ball than trying to go deeper. Allen would have hit him right in the chest most of the time. The ball came out of his hand wrong and Clay didn't make the play. They both took responsibility for that play after the game, which they should. Clay is definitely more at fault for not catching a catchable ball, but it wasn't the pass Allen wanted either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 59 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: With all due respect, we have no idea what the actual play call was. What Josh managed to turn it into was way off script but damn close to a win on a totally busted coverage. I remember hearing on radio that all the receivers ran deep to end zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: I remember hearing on radio that all the receivers ran deep to end zone If that was the play call that again shows an incredible lack of foresight or coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Running to his left throwing back to the right after eluding pass rushers for 5 or 6 seconds. if they start making a point of finding WRs who adjust well to school yard ball and keep alive well, defenses are going to hate playing the Bills Thing is this really shouldn't be hard for WRs. They should love broken plays where they can get wide open and ACTUALLY ADJUST TO CATCH THE BALL. Honestly where Clay was going.. he didn't want or expect the ball and as soon as the throw goes up he's thinking "oh crap he actually saw me and got air on it. Didn't see that coming! I'm an overpaid blocking tight end I'm going to screw this up." Edited December 3, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Is there a video that shows the entire field during the last play, or at least one that focuses more on Clay? As mentioned here and in another thread, I think the bigger issue with Clay on the last play is that he didn't come back to the ball and/or stumbled when he attempted to do so. It just seemed like the ball was in the air long enough for him to come back to the ball a lot more than he did. If video it exists in another post just let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 In the calm light of day, the guy had a shot to catch it but didn't. It's a shame, it was a beautifully chaotic thing to watch unfold, and it sure would have been exciting for the rookie to win one like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeziehmer Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Clay is doing what he does best; showing why Logan Thomas and Jason Croom are starters and have beaten him out during clutch plays but they were injured. Another overpaid Whaley blunder in the long-term which didn’t pan out and cost us Nick O’Leary as Coaching looked at experience over talent and Nick is with Miami now. The blunderful decision making of McBeane at work. Cannot even trade him away as it’s been a showcasing of the rigid front offices tendencies on a fixed process and antiquated sabermetrics which don’t win the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said: Is there a video that shows the entire field during the last play, or at least one that focuses more on Clay? As mentioned here and in another thread, I think the bigger issue with Clay on the last play is that he didn't come back to the ball and/or stumbled when he attempted to do so. It just seemed like the ball was in the air long enough for him to come back to the ball a lot more than he did. If video it exists in another post just let me know. All22 wasn’t up yet when I looked, but that will tell the painful story of the near win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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