2019 Draft Big Board

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

sure - but who is going to trade up when the DL talent pool is so deep?  It takes two.

 

Teams will want to trade up.  Just this past draft the Bills and the Saints both traded up into the middle of round 1 for defensive players.  Someone always thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, BobChalmers said:

 

sure - but who is going to trade up when the DL talent pool is so deep?  It takes two.

 

I'm not sure that's true - just because we don't WANT to reach for offensive talent, doesn't mean a whole bunch of other teams won't - and at that point, it's not a reach anymore.

There are going to be a BUNCH of WR ranked between 20 and 100. Here are 13 between 19-99. https://www.drafttek.com/m/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2019.asp. It is definitely possible for the Bills to secure 2 of those guys.

 

Good teams don’t reach (ever). This draft will be dominated by defensive talent in the 1st and open up from there. Every draft has different strengths and this is on the DL. I’d bet my first born that AT LEAST 22 of the 32 1st round picks are defense. It is likely even more (closer to 25). 

[billsfan89]

Big board at this stage is a bit useless. Not only is there still some college ball left but there is the pre-draft process which will shake up the board. 

[ProcessTruster]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I may be the only person on this board that wouldn’t hate it. CB2 is the biggest (and only) real hole at the present time on defense. It would give the Bills a chance to have an elite defense like the Seahawks were. At the moment, every important throw goes right at CB2. 

 

In addition, the value will be there. He’s universally thought of as a top 5 pick. I would much rather take him there than the 23rd best player in the draft because he plays offense. 

 

Assuming that a trade trade down isn’t an option this wouldn’t be bad at all IMO. We can then go offense from there. This holds especially true if they nab a couple of FA starters on offense. I think that they have a chance to add 2 starting OL and potentially a rotational WR in FA. 

totally.  either gear up to pass or gear up to stop the pass.  either one is good for me.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Teams will want to trade up.  Just this past draft the Bills and the Saints both traded up into the middle of round 1 for defensive players.  Someone always thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.

Usually the trade ups happen when there is about to be a drop off at a certain position. Last year there was a big drop after Davenport and Edmunds IMO. A team may trade up for Baker (around where we will pick) or even Daniel Jones (who I think will end up as QB 1). 

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

Big board at this stage is a bit useless. Not only is there still some college ball left but there is the pre-draft process which will shake up the board. 

Not a ton though, the scouting book on this class was completed almost a full year ago. They scout a year in advance. There will be some movement but with only a couple of weeks left there isn’t going to be a ton of movement.

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

It is that time with the Bills at 3-7, but just in case anyone didn't know we have a running thread on the CFB sub-forum with mocks, big boards, and top prospect links.

 

 

 

Was not aware of that draft thread - thanks for the heads-up

 

 

 

[CookieG]

20 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

Very few offensive (skill) players on this list. I don't like that.

That's the way it usually is though..the big boards usually stack the top 20 or so with defensive players.

 

As someone else said, its not the way the draft often goes.

 

take a look at their 2017 Big board.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/22/nfl-draft-2017-big-board-prospects-player-rankings

 

Only 3 players from offense in their top 10.  By draft time, 6 of the top 10 picks were on the O.

 

If I was gm, I'd be thrilled to see a board like that...or more importantly, for the teams ahead of me pick like that.

 

I'd know I'd have the pick of the offensive players.

 

 

[Simon Says]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I may be the only person on this board that wouldn’t hate it. CB2 is the biggest (and only) real hole at the present time on defense. It would give the Bills a chance to have an elite defense like the Seahawks were. At the moment, every important throw goes right at CB2. 

 

In addition, the value will be there. He’s universally thought of as a top 5 pick. I would much rather take him there than the 23rd best player in the draft because he plays offense. 

 

Assuming that a trade trade down isn’t an option this wouldn’t be bad at all IMO. We can then go offense from there. This holds especially true if they nab a couple of FA starters on offense. I think that they have a chance to add 2 starting OL and potentially a rotational WR in FA. 

Some mocks.agree with you,especially with the wide open NFL game 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I may be the only person on this board that wouldn’t hate it. CB2 is the biggest (and only) real hole at the present time on defense. It would give the Bills a chance to have an elite defense like the Seahawks were. At the moment, every important throw goes right at CB2. 

 

In addition, the value will be there. He’s universally thought of as a top 5 pick. I would much rather take him there than the 23rd best player in the draft because he plays offense. 

 

Assuming that a trade trade down isn’t an option this wouldn’t be bad at all IMO. We can then go offense from there. This holds especially true if they nab a couple of FA starters on offense. I think that they have a chance to add 2 starting OL and potentially a rotational WR in FA. 

 

 

I can't bring myself to mock  anyone else but Greedy Williams if they stay at that pick.

 

Just seems like a natural fit whether we like it or not............reaching for anything other than a QB just doesn't work.

 

Actually hoping they get outside of Greedy range though.

[TigerJ]

I think it is pretty much a given that if Buffalo has a top ten pick and stays put, they draft defense.  That's just the way this draft looks.  The top offensive linemen are Greg Little and Jonah Williams.  Greg Little's consistency and effort have been questioned.  Jonah Williams benefits from having great players all around him.  The best WR is no higher than a mid first round value, and that's being optimistic.  I'm not going to fret about it too much because Buffalo is going to be a MAJOR player in free agency.  They may well be in a position to take the BPA, or they could trade down.

Edited November 16, 2018 by TigerJ

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Usually the trade ups happen when there is about to be a drop off at a certain position. Last year there was a big drop after Davenport and Edmunds IMO. A team may trade up for Baker (around where we will pick) or even Daniel Jones (who I think will end up as QB 1). 

Jones, not Herbert, as QB 1?  Think Herbert is staying in school?

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Jones, not Herbert, as QB 1?  Think Herbert is staying in school?

I actually think that Jones has some “Mahomes rise” to him. I think that there’s a chance that Herbert stays in school but i think Jones climbs during the process. It’s already starting.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

If Josh Allen sacks Josh Allen, will it destroy the space time continuum?  

 

What if Deionte Thompson picks off a pass intended for Deonte Thompson while Josh Allen is taken to the ground by Josh Allen?

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I actually think that Jones has some “Mahomes rise” to him. I think that there’s a chance that Herbert stays in school but i think Jones climbs during the process. It’s already starting.

He's my #1 at the moment, as the 32 I posted were from my board

 

As it stands I have 2 WR in my top 32, 6 between 33 and 64, and 5 between 65 and 96.

Edited November 16, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13

[Orlando Tim]

What I think most teams do is add a few points to a position of need but are not going to jump much-basically they might take at 12th who they think is really 15th best but not going to jump them from 20

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’d say take at least 2 WRs in the first 3 rounds

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, Mango said:

watch them take Greedy Williams as our CB 2. 

 

Wouldn't be a bad pick but McD has a way of getting great play out of good corners.

 

That said I'm all in on Jonah Williams, guy is a pass blocking machine.

 

 

10 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

If Josh Allen sacks Josh Allen, will it destroy the space time continuum?  

 

the 12 monkeys say yes.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Usually the trade ups happen when there is about to be a drop off at a certain position. Last year there was a big drop after Davenport and Edmunds IMO. A team may trade up for Baker (around where we will pick) or even Daniel Jones (who I think will end up as QB 1). 

Not a ton though, the scouting book on this class was completed almost a full year ago. They scout a year in advance. There will be some movement but with only a couple of weeks left there isn’t going to be a ton of movement.

 

shouldn't be but there is always tons of movement after the senior bowl and combine

[Commish]

13 hours ago, Mango said:

watch them take Greedy Williams as our CB 2. 

Tre White would LOVE having another LSU cornerback - he's the world's biggest LSU fan - then he'll give us a big hometown discount to stay here?

[4BillsintheBurgh]

My only concern with greedy is his second contract, don't know if it makes sense to pay two top guys in the secondary. The guys on defense to replace are Williams, alexander and murphy/Hughes with that pick. To get an olineman we will have to reach because there are so many teams with issues and young qb's.

[H2o]

We better not spend our 1st on a CB unless everything else is addressed in FA, which is damn near impossible. We're likely going to be picking in the top 10 which would make a CB selection when the defense isn't the problem even more stupid. 

[WideRightRevenge]

Trade down ... bring in Jimmy Johnson as a consultant on draft day

 

[CuddyDark]

15 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Another take, similar takeaway:

 

1. Ed Oliver, DL, Houston

2. Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio State

3. Quinnen Williams, DL, Alabama

4. Devin White, LB, LSU

5. Deionte Thompson, S, Alabama

6. Greedy Williams, CB, Lsu

7. Rashan Gary, DL, Michigan

8. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

9. Josh Allen, LB, Kentucky

10. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss

11. Jeffery Simmons, DL, Mississippi State

12. Raekwon Davis, DL, Alabama

13. Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson

14. Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson

15. Montez Sweat, EDGE, Mississippi State

16. Daniel Jones, QB, Duke

17. Dexter Lawrence, DL, Clemson

18. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama

19. Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida

20. Noah Fant, TE, Iowa

21. Dre'mont Jones, DL, Ohio State

22. Devin Bush, LB, Michigan

23. N'Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State

24. Mack Wilson, LB, Alabama

25. Chase Winovich, EDGE, Michigan

26. Derrick Brown, DL, Auburn

27. Zach Allen, EDGE, Boston College

28. Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon

29. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

30. Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson

31. Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion

32. Jerry Tillery, DL, Notre Dame

This is a better list. No way would I make a list without Fant. TE would be a good position for the Bills. Our TE's are all players who changed positions. We need a true TE on offense more than anything.

[Soda Popinski]

15 hours ago, Mango said:

watch them take Greedy Williams as our CB 2. 

I wouldn't be upset with that.   

[wppete]

I hope in the the first 3 rounds we go OT, WR, DE.

[purple haze]

18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I may be the only person on this board that wouldn’t hate it. CB2 is the biggest (and only) real hole at the present time on defense. It would give the Bills a chance to have an elite defense like the Seahawks were. At the moment, every important throw goes right at CB2. 

 

In addition, the value will be there. He’s universally thought of as a top 5 pick. I would much rather take him there than the 23rd best player in the draft because he plays offense. 

 

Assuming that a trade trade down isn’t an option this wouldn’t be bad at all IMO. We can then go offense from there. This holds especially true if they nab a couple of FA starters on offense. I think that they have a chance to add 2 starting OL and potentially a rotational WR in FA. 

I'm with you.  If Bills took him I'm cool with it.

[SCBills]

My two wish list scenarios this offseason are as follows:

 

Sign Tyrell Williams

 

If drafting 5-10, Draft Greedy Williams.  

 

OR

 

If drafting 11 or later, Draft Noah Fant, hopefully trading down a few spots in doing so.  

[Just Joshin']

17 hours ago, J-Bo said:

Trade down, trade down, trade down.  Get picks to fill O-Line, WR's,  TE. Give Josh some tools to work with and address CB and same positions in free agency. D is already looking good...need to address offense!

 

I agree that trade down is attractive.  However, if the talent levels are equal from 4 to 14 and there are no QB needy teams to overpay, a trade down may be difficult.

[T master]

I'd say Jonah Williams OT Bama or Josh Reed LB from KY if Williams is gone !! 

[JaCrispy]

18 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I’ll take AJ or Marquise Brown at WR. Even better if we trade down to get him.

I think priority #1 this offseason NEEDS to be getting a #1 receiver in FA or draft for young QB to develop with- it must be done or else we are seriously hindering Allen’s growth imo.

Edited November 16, 2018 by JaCrispy

[Kirby Jackson]

43 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I think priority #1 this offseason NEEDS to be getting a #1 receiver in FA or draft for young QB to develop with- it must be done or else we are seriously hindering Allen’s growth imo.

I think that we all agree with that. The problem is he may not be out there this year.  

[ctk232]

6 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

My only concern with greedy is his second contract, don't know if it makes sense to pay two top guys in the secondary. The guys on defense to replace are Williams, alexander and murphy/Hughes with that pick. To get an olineman we will have to reach because there are so many teams with issues and young qb's.

Zona and the Jets scare me for that reason - within the context of drafting a top OL guy that is.

 

If Zona and/or Jersey end up winning the race to the bottom, it's likely one takes Jonah and the other Little. Which would make me more inclined for us to go BPA or trade down with the first overall. I agree, we'd have to pay two corners, but at least Greedy would be on contract for a few years before it has to happen, and hopefully we would make a few playoff runs during that time. We can also hope the contracts on the team look very different in the next 3-5 years, but Tre and likely Dawkins will demand the highest salary when the time comes - as will Edmunds and Allen depending on how they progress. With equal needs at WR and RB in the future, we'll need to start thinking where we want to spend the elite money, and where we can compete with roster guys on average contracts.

[ColoradoBills]

19 hours ago, mannc said:

With how weak our remaining schedule is, we’ll be picking in the 10-15 range and there should be a number of OL or WR prospects who make sense there.

 

 And remember, this “big board” is not a projection of where these guys will be picked.  Offensive guys will get pushed up the board.  IMO, Herbert goes top 3; he’s by far the best QB prospect out there this year and he has great tools.

 

I agree with the Bills winning a few more games.  Probably will be picking around 10-12.  Not sure as low as 15.

Board will change a lot.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

3 hours ago, ctk232 said:

Zona and the Jets scare me for that reason - within the context of drafting a top OL guy that is.

 

If Zona and/or Jersey end up winning the race to the bottom, it's likely one takes Jonah and the other Little. Which would make me more inclined for us to go BPA or trade down with the first overall. I agree, we'd have to pay two corners, but at least Greedy would be on contract for a few years before it has to happen, and hopefully we would make a few playoff runs during that time. We can also hope the contracts on the team look very different in the next 3-5 years, but Tre and likely Dawkins will demand the highest salary when the time comes - as will Edmunds and Allen depending on how they progress. With equal needs at WR and RB in the future, we'll need to start thinking where we want to spend the elite money, and where we can compete with roster guys on average contracts.

I'd guess we're going to spend money mostly where Carolina does, and I don't think that's WR/RB. I don't know the exact breakdown of their spending, but it seems like Kuechly (sp?) and Newton are cornerstones so I wouldn't be surprised if Allen/Edmunds are taken care of for sure. I think Car pays their o and d linemen too. They played hardball with Josh Norman a few years ago, so maybe Tre is here and maybe he isn't, these guys seem like they can manufacture db's so I don't know if they will be willing to pay Tre top dollar if that's what's required. The real test of the "culture" that is being built will be the desire for players to stay in Buffalo instead of running for more money. Not every player will be swayed by culture, but hopefully enough talent will stay to keep us competitive over the long haul.

 

 

Assuming, of course, that McBeane is still here to value them when their contracts come up.

 

[ctk232]

44 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I'd guess we're going to spend money mostly where Carolina does, and I don't think that's WR/RB. I don't know the exact breakdown of their spending, but it seems like Kuechly (sp?) and Newton are cornerstones so I wouldn't be surprised if Allen/Edmunds are taken care of for sure. I think Car pays their o and d linemen too. They played hardball with Josh Norman a few years ago, so maybe Tre is here and maybe he isn't, these guys seem like they can manufacture db's so I don't know if they will be willing to pay Tre top dollar if that's what's required. The real test of the "culture" that is being built will be the desire for players to stay in Buffalo instead of running for more money. Not every player will be swayed by culture, but hopefully enough talent will stay to keep us competitive over the long haul.

 

 

Assuming, of course, that McBeane is still here to value them when their contracts come up.

 

Great points - and the parallels are certainly there for Carolina's progression. I think that the way the contracts and talent is trending for the next 2-3 years, barring any crazy FA signing that breaks the bank, Tre will likely be the first "elite talent" on the roster to come up for extension so I wonder if we have the added capital to argue paying him top dollar. But they've already demonstrated they're willing to pay their defensive line for players that fit a need (Star in the one-tech eating up millions and double teams).

 

The culture point is a great one, too. I do think it's something that's been lacking from Buffalo, and honestly every team that turns over coaches every two to three years. But you're right, let's hope McD actually does instill a culture that makes the top guys want to come back, and additionally advertises for others to sign and stay as well. I have more hope for players drafted in that regard under McD. I've always wondered how much of GB's attrition rate for drafted players is due to the culture established by championship history, or just by having a great contemporary culture making players want to stay. But none of this really matters until we prove we can field a competitive offense.

Edited November 16, 2018 by ctk232

[Saint Doug]

10 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

My only concern with greedy is his second contract, don't know if it makes sense to pay two top guys in the secondary. The guys on defense to replace are Williams, alexander and murphy/Hughes with that pick. To get an olineman we will have to reach because there are so many teams with issues and young qb's.

 

I doubt there will be a 2nd contract given to neither Greedy nor White by the Bills. CB is one of the few positions where a player can step in an play like an All-Pro by the end of the mid-season of their rookie year. Given CB is one of the highest paid positions in the NFL, it makes more sense to just draft a replacement. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

We need to trade down

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

 

I doubt there will be a 2nd contract given to neither Greedy nor White by the Bills. CB is one of the few positions where a player can step in an play like an All-Pro by the end of the mid-season of their rookie year. Given CB is one of the highest paid positions in the NFL, it makes more sense to just draft a replacement. 

Oh, I’d bet anything that White gets offered a BIG 2nd contract by the Bills. These guys want to develop there own guys and grow with them. Tre may very well be the best CB in football this year. They aren’t just going to let that guy walk out the door. 

[CuddyDark]

19 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’d say take at least 2 WRs in the first 3 rounds

I'd say build inside out, even on offense. C, OG, OL, TE all before WR.

[BigDingus]

On 11/15/2018 at 3:10 PM, PirateHookerMD said:

I thought this was an interesting look at how the draft is shaping up. Surely lots will change. You will notice there is almost no offensive talent near the top of the draft which is a bad year for us to be so needy. Also seems like we will see less trade-ups given lack of QB talent and elite studs. I don't see much worth tanking for, as we are not going to have pick 1 or 2. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/15/2019-nfl-draft-big-board-rankings-nick-bosa-justin-herbert

 

Man, the top 12 players all projected to be on the defensive side of the ball. It's like Sean McDermott's wettest dream!

Though we desperately need help on offense at nearly every position, I'd be SHOCKED if McDermott could pass up on all the defensive talent that'll be staring him in the face.

 

If we could somehow grab Nick Bosa I'd be thrilled. On another note, I'm not sure I believe the hype around Ed Oliver. He's good, but there are plenty of signs he's not nearly as great as some would have you believe. Comparisons to Aaron Donald, Ndamukong Suh & John Randle are greatly exaggerated IMO, and I don't think he'll be quite the star people are expecting.