Big C Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Well, Matt Barkley describes himself on Twitter as a Jesus lover and Josh Allen does not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Super close for me and I'm fine either way, but I think it's 51% chance Barkley starts over 49% Allen. Hard to justify benching Barkley after that game to the team and you can use the excuse of getting Allen fully healthy for one more game. And truthfully, maybe the UCL injury could use the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Super close for me and I'm fine either way, but I think it's 51% chance Barkley starts over 49% Allen. Hard to justify benching Barkley after that game to the team and you can use the excuse of getting Allen fully healthy for one more game. And truthfully, maybe the UCL injury could use the rest. 5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah that looks like he's got more than 2 weeks to recover.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Something tells me we'll be starting Ryan Nassib by the end of the year with our luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, TonyBeets said: It's simple, who do you start presuming that Allen is healthy? If Allen is healthy there is no point in sitting him on the bench, there are no better reps than live action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 has to be Allen the franchise has too much invested in him to not start him if he was a healthy..a situation that could have been avoided if they brought in competent qbs in training camp like bridgewater so allen could have the redshirt year he needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 With the schedule being CONSIDERABLY lighter moving forward, it’s Allen. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I give Barkley another start. If you can win games and get players/coaches feeling good again then do it. There's still plenty of time to get another look at Allen to close out the season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I would start Allen. First, I think Barkley looked good today because Jets. Second, Allen is our future not Barkley. Getting Allen reps and experience is more important than a couple feel good wins IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 If Allen is 100% recovered I would play him only if the OL can play like against the Jets. I sure hope Barkley is the answer for a good backup or dare I hope a starter here or good trade value in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Depends on what you want out of the season...are you trying to win or is your goal to give Allen experience? There is no right or wrong answer...but your answer should depend on what you want out of this season. That being said, I couldn’t care less either way...Go Bills! Allen is 2-3 as a starter, he can help the team win, as was shown on the early games, not with his QB prowess but with his playmaking ability. Hopefully he can show some improvements in the passing game. I think the next 6 games will be very important for him, Daboll and the direction of the offense. I don't want to enter next season with another OC, I want this unit to end the year with the arrow pointing up with the new QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Allen. What long term benefit does starting Barkley actually get you. He might snag another win or two, but then what. Allen needs to develop. Barkley is who he is at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 +this season is all about getting allen ready for next year, he needs the reps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 There is wisdom in playing the "hit hand". Start Barkley after the bye week. If Barkley reverts back to his performance from previous seasons, start Allen the following week. Allen could benefit from playing some mop up duty with less pressure on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: There is wisdom in playing the "hit hand". Start Barkley after the bye week. If Barkley reverts back to his performance from previous seasons, start Allen the following week. Allen could benefit from playing some mop up duty with less pressure on him. Hot hand? One game does not qualify as a hot hand from my vantage point. Play Barkley for what purpose? Playoff race or future of the franchise? It's neither of these. What pressure is on Allen with the Bills sitting at 3-7? None. He needs to gain as much valuable experience as possible this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 If we were .500 right now...Barkley. Since our playoff chances at 3-7 are very slim...Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Tough act to follow. Especially vs the Jags. He's going to get killed. What are you guys going to do after Allen has another 80 yard passing day? Especially after we saw what this offense could do with a competent QB. Can't go back to Barkley for the rest of the season at that point. Allen should be working on his footwork, learning to not throw while falling backwards, learn how to make quick decisions and release the ball quickly, learn how and when to throw with some touch. What's the hurry? Most experts didn't think he should have played at all this year and we saw why. Let him learn some more. He's not going to get better by throwing him to the wolves. At that point he's just in survival mode and he will quickly revert back to his poor mechanics because that's what he knows and what he's done his whole life. Unless jumping over guys is what you want out of your QB then Allen has a LONG way to go. Worst rated #1 QB in the NFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I've been giving this some thought..... Best case scenario - Start Barkley. If he sucks put in Josh. If they put in Josh and the O goes stagnant .... it would be worse IMO. 16 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: There is wisdom in playing the "hit hand". Start Barkley after the bye week. If Barkley reverts back to his performance from previous seasons, start Allen the following week. Allen could benefit from playing some mop up duty with less pressure on him. great minds think alike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Now Moment Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The year was always about Allen's development, if you wanted him to start this season then you want him in ASAP. If you were on the side of him sitting all year, then you want him out. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said: Tough act to follow. Especially vs the Jags. He's going to get killed. What are you guys going to do after Allen has another 80 yard passing day? Especially after we saw what this offense could do with a competent QB. Can't go back to Barkley for the rest of the season at that point. Allen should be working on his footwork, learning to not throw while falling backwards, learn how to make quick decisions and release the ball quickly, learn how and when to throw with some touch. What's the hurry? Most experts didn't think he should have played at all this year and we saw why. Let him learn some more. He's not going to get better by throwing him to the wolves. At that point he's just in survival mode and he will quickly revert back to his poor mechanics because that's what he knows and what he's done his whole life. Unless jumping over guys is what you want out of your QB then Allen has a LONG way to go. Worst rated #1 QB in the NFL Dear Diary, even though Josh Rosen completed only 56% of his passes today, threw two more interceptions, struggled again, and was generally ineffective, he still looked perfect to me ❤️❤️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 And of course ..... http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25248815/buffalo-bills-not-certain-starting-qb-matt-barkley-beats-jets Mike Rodak ESPN Stiff Writer EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- After Matt Barkley led the Buffalo Bills to an unexpected 41-10 win Sunday over the New York Jets, coach Sean McDermott did not commit to a starting quarterback when his team returns from its upcoming bye week. "Give me some time here," McDermott said. "We'll reassess (Monday) when we get in (and) look at the film." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Hot hand? One game does not qualify as a hot hand from my vantage point. Play Barkley for what purpose? Playoff race or future of the franchise? It's neither of these. What pressure is on Allen with the Bills sitting at 3-7? None. He needs to gain as much valuable experience as possible this season. What quarterback had looked better for the Bills this year. A performance like Barkley had against the Jet most certainly qualify as a hot hand in my understanding of the phrase. Not sure why you want to focus on semantics. The point is, if Barkley gives us the best chance of winning, he should start. Why put Allen in the position to live up to Barkley's success against the Jets. He has enough pressure on him. We have an opportunity bring Allen along at a slower pace that may be beneficial to his development. What is wrong with trying to win games? You may feel this is a waisted season, but if we could go 7-9 or even 6-10, that would be something to build on and could enhance our ability to attract more talented free agents. Just my opinion. Edited November 12, 2018 by longtimebillsfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Back at the beginning of the season, the plan was not to start Allen at all. Well that went out the window. Now we may finally have that veteran placeholder who won't drag the team team to hell with him. So why not go back to Plan A? Start Barkley and let Allen soak in some more of that veteran QB play from the sideline. If Barkley falters, you can always get Allen back in. But right now, this team needs to start winning. Why? Because we are developing more than just a QB. We need to evaluate players like Zay Jones and Robert Foster. We have to see if Shady still has something left in the tank. Good QB play allows to make those judgements easier. Allen is still likely to struggle. I say go with the vet. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said: What quarterback had looked better for the Bills this year. A performance like Barkley had against the Jet most certainly qualify as a hit hand in my understanding of the phrase. Not sure why you want to focus on semantics. The point is, if Barkley gives us the best chance of winning, he should start. Why put Allen in the position to live up to Barkley's success against the Jets. He has enough pressure on him. We have an opportunity bring Allen along at a slower pace that may be beneficial to his development. What is wrong with trying to win games? You may feel this is a waisted season, but if we could go 7-9 or even 6-10, that would be something to build on and could enhance our ability to attract more talented free agents. Just my opinion. 3-7 in 14th place in the AFC. Play Allen who is the QB who represents the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I can’t believe this vote is so close. The season is done. You get the rookie the most valuable experience he can get. Which is out on the field behind a line that finally might be turning the corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Unless your QB number one is Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc, if your attack is going nowhere for the entire season so far, you sign a guy off the street and 2 weeks later he puts 41 points on the board you need to come back with him the following week. Otherwise It's a signal that if you perform, the coaches will not recognize it. Edited November 12, 2018 by Curt spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 3-7 in 14th place in the AFC. Play Allen who is the QB who represents the future. Could be the case. It will be an interesting two weeks of conjecture until the starter againstvthe Jags is announced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: Goff and Trubisky would disagree This board is absolutely nuts. 95 % of you ran TT out of town wanting a new shiny first round QB. Now you want to stick with a popgun has-been on his 6th team as the QB of the future? For God's sake. It was the Jets. And the Jets dropped two interceptions. Allen is the future. He plays when he is healthy. He is the best QB on the team. I agree and it's interesting reading the Western NY sports media this morning and seeing a couple of them claim that Barkley's performance yesterday was BY FAR the best by a Bills QB. Huh? Barkley was 15 - 25 for 232 yards & 2 TD's with a QB rating of 117.4. Meanwhile against Minnesota Allen was 15 - 22 - 196 - 1 TD with a QB rating of 111.2. Seems about the same to me. But when you add in Allen's 2 rushing TD's AND the FACT that the Vikings are a much better team then the Jets and it takes a special kind of sports writer to claim Barkley has had the best QB outing to date for Buffalo this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 You start Allen 100%. But because we are the Bills, you guys know what is going to happen right? Allen will play like ? ? ? and everyone will be calling for Barkley again and now you have a quarterback controversy. What I saw from Barkley was some of the most efficient quarterbacking I have seen from a Bills quarterback in years (though Allen's game vs the Vikes was pretty ridiculous). So I think people on the Barkley side are saying, maybe we ride it out for a couple of games and see what we have with Matt. If he keeps winning, stay with him, and if he gets killed against the Jags, you turn back to Allen. I see the arguments on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: You start Allen 100%. But because we are the Bills, you guys know what is going to happen right? Allen will play like ? ? ? and everyone will be calling for Barkley again and now you have a quarterback controversy. What I saw from Barkley was some of the most efficient quarterbacking I have seen from a Bills quarterback in years (though Allen's game vs the Vikes was pretty ridiculous). So I think people on the Barkley side are saying, maybe we ride it out for a couple of games and see what we have with Matt. If he keeps winning, stay with him, and if he gets killed against the Jags, you turn back to Allen. I see the arguments on both sides. Barkley had a nice game yesterday and it was great to see. He also got away with a few throws that could have easily been INTs. Bottom line for me is Allen should play given the Bills' record that says they aren't making the postseason in 2018 which isn't exactly a surprise. Let him grow and develop along with the other young players we're beginning to see sprinkled throughout the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: But because we are the Bills, you guys know what is going to happen right? Allen will play like ? ? ? and everyone will be calling for Barkley again and now you have a quarterback controversy. You've identified the downside of starting Allen in 2 weeks. In fact I would argue that your point might be the likeliest outcome of starting Allen against Jacksonville. That's why it's incumbent on McDermott to make it crystal clear that as long as he stays healthy Allen is playing the final 6 games. A single game, good or bad, won't impact this. We fans will scream and the moron sports writers will pontificate but in the end there's only a QB controversy if McDermott and the Bills screw this up. IMO they screw this up by playing head games with Allen over who starts in 2 weeks. Now if the Bills were 5 - 5 and Barkley had a track record of success along the lines of Fitz, I would also be saying sit the rookie and go with the hot hand. But none of these things apply here. Edited November 12, 2018 by CincyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 To me it's Barkley .. and only for this reason ... maybe compared to (Peterson, Anderson) .. he can take these two weeks with Allen and show Allen how to prepare and see if he can in fact orchestrate something similar vs. the Jags defense ala the Jets. I think Josh needs to see another (hopefully solid offensive performance by someone else ... certainly not observed with Peterman or Anderson at the helm) for his learning purposes. If Barkley doesn't do it again ... it gives Allen another two weeks to heal up ... watch / learn ... if Barkley crashes and burns against the Jags ... then it moves up Josh's timeline .. but no matter what he gets in for December to close out the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I agree and it's interesting reading the Western NY sports media this morning and seeing a couple of them claim that Barkley's performance yesterday was BY FAR the best by a Bills QB. Huh? Barkley was 15 - 25 for 232 yards & 2 TD's with a QB rating of 117.4. Meanwhile against Minnesota Allen was 15 - 22 - 196 - 1 TD with a QB rating of 111.2. Seems about the same to me. But when you add in Allen's 2 rushing TD's AND the FACT that the Vikings are a much better team then the Jets and it takes a special kind of sports writer to claim Barkley has had the best QB outing to date for Buffalo this year. Stats are just stats. Allen was gifted with a short fields several times. Barkley built good scoring drives from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Barkley had a nice game yesterday and it was great to see. He also got away with a few throws that could have easily been INTs. Bottom line for me is Allen should play given the Bills' record that says they aren't making the postseason in 2018 which isn't exactly a surprise. Let him grow and develop along with the other young players we're beginning to see sprinkled throughout the lineup. Honestly, I cannot fathom, with this team at 3-7, why anyone would not want to give Allen invaluable game experience throughout the remainder of this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Peterman the rest of the year. Tired of winning man...gonna end up with pick 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 It should be about which guy runs the offense better. We scored 41 points yesterday and 41 points in October 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: That's why it's incumbent on McDermott to make it crystal clear that as long as he stays healthy Allen is playing the final 6 games. A single game, good or bad, won't impact this. We fans will scream and the moron sports writers will pontificate but in the end there's only a QB controversy if McDermott and the Bills screw this up. IMO they screw this up by playing head games with Allen over who starts in 2 weeks. Perfectly stated! 34 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said: To me it's Barkley .. and only for this reason ... maybe compared to (Peterson, Anderson) .. he can take these two weeks with Allen and show Allen how to prepare and see if he can in fact orchestrate something similar vs. the Jags defense ala the Jets. I think Josh needs to see another (hopefully solid offensive performance by someone else ... certainly not observed with Peterman or Anderson at the helm) for his learning purposes. If Barkley doesn't do it again ... it gives Allen another two weeks to heal up ... watch / learn ... if Barkley crashes and burns against the Jags ... then it moves up Josh's timeline .. but no matter what he gets in for December to close out the year. Im not against this idea. It gives you a longer look at Barkley...maybe he gets re-signed to be the backup next year. As long as Allen is guaranteed the last four games, I don't care what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: It should be about which guy runs the offense better. We scored 41 points yesterday and 41 points in October but what does this get you moving forward?. barkley isn't the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley didn't even look that good yesterday. He played average, no better then Allen. We know who Barkley is, we need Allen to start and continue to learn. Not one person can give a good reason to start Barkley. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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