buffalobillswin Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 In hindsight, of course. In the moment there is some benefit to kicking on 3rd down in case the snap is off and needs to be covered and then kick on 4th down. The question is whether a bad snap or a kick-off returned for a TD is more likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just now, DBilz2500 said: Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. Very true, as all 3 network announcers in the booth ( Patrick, Theismann, Maguire ) said it was an illegal forward pass while the play was still live. Seemed apparent and warranted a flag. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said: Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. Yuck. IMO NFL has already downgraded its product significantly by throwing flags when the ref isn't sure or it's a close play. The default should always be to not throw a flag. Go back and look at the overhead photo of where the 11 Bills were at the moment of the pass. The kick coverage would have embarrassed a high school coach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. That is a rather big mistake... Even if you leave yourself 10 seconds or something its still better. Tennessee had 2 timeouts as well. Why not make them use them? I probably wouldn't have opted for the squib kick either. Christies limited leg may have forced their hand though. Maybe have a high and short kick plan or something along those lines. It's that type of situational football that you need to think about. More food for thought... The clock starts as soon as the kickoff begins (in 1999), so if you had limited it to maybe 8-10 seconds, you can kick it out of bounds and leave them with only like 4 seconds from their 40. A FG is impossible Edited October 4, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. Precisely why it is NOW common practice in the NFL to take the clock down to 4 seconds - so there is no opportunity for a kick return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yuck. IMO NFL has already downgraded its product significantly by throwing flags when the ref isn't sure or it's a close play. The default should always be to not throw a flag. Go back and look at the overhead photo of where the 11 Bills were at the moment of the pass. The kick coverage would have embarrassed a high school coach. Stay in your lanes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yuck. IMO NFL has already downgraded its product significantly by throwing flags when the ref isn't sure or it's a close play. The default should always be to not throw a flag. Go back and look at the overhead photo of where the 11 Bills were at the moment of the pass. The kick coverage would have embarrassed a high school coach. This is correct. If the Bills had done their jobs, the trick play would not have worked. And while we're at it, before Brett Hull scored his no-goal (which shouldn't have been allowed), a Sabre went right past him, attempting to poke check the puck away, instead of flattening Hull and ending the opportunity. And for that matter, the exhausted Sabres hadn't had a decent scoring chance since the third period, and sooner or later one of the Stars would have scored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 You call it a miracle, I call it a mind f&*k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 i choose not to relive this again, and again, and again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 One thing that always makes me angry was the illegal forward pass and run for a TD. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 This is a good example of how the game has progressed in terms of analytics. Sports in general are managed with much more precision and dare I say, strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Phil Luckett was the ref. A guy who botched a coin toss and thought a QB helmet crossing a goalline is a TD got a playoff game. After he made the call some DL on the Titans patted him on the back. I never saw that from any other player before. Also the squib was wrong call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. Wade is a great defensive coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Utah John said: This is correct. If the Bills had done their jobs, the trick play would not have worked. And while we're at it, before Brett Hull scored his no-goal (which shouldn't have been allowed), a Sabre went right past him, attempting to poke check the puck away, instead of flattening Hull and ending the opportunity. And for that matter, the exhausted Sabres hadn't had a decent scoring chance since the third period, and sooner or later one of the Stars would have scored. You & KD are missing the point. They should of spiked the ball with 4 seconds left but they panicked. You could say "oh if the snap is muffed then there is still time to kick another FG" but come on. Common sense tells you to run the clock down. There should of never been a kickoff. Although one may say if they tried to run the clock down Fischer may have used one of his TOs to stop the clock. So worst case scenario you make them burn a Time out which is never a bad thing, maybe Bruce Dehaven could of used that time to remind his players to stay in their dam lanes. & by the way to this day, as a Bills fan of over thirty years that loss to me hurt the most & still hurts. I don't know why but it hurts more than Wide Right to me. I can't explain it; it just does. Edited October 4, 2018 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gordio said: You & KD are missing the point. They should of spiked the ball with 4 seconds left but they panicked. You could say "oh if the snap is muffed then there is still time to kick another FG" but come on. Common sense tells you to run the clock down. There should of never been a kickoff. Although one may say if they tried to run the clock down Fischer may have used one of his TOs to stop the clock. So worst case scenario you make them burn a Time out which is never a bad thing, maybe Bruce Dehaven could of used that time to remind his players to stay in their dam lanes. & by the way to this day, as a Bills fan of over thirty years that loss to me hurt the most & still hurts. I don't know why but it hurts more than Wide Right to me. I can't explain it; it just does. To me nothing related to Bills football hurts more than "wide right", nothing. Ronnie Harmon's no catch, MCM or even losing to the Jags in Kelly's last game. Nothing compares to "wide right". At least to me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, DBilz2500 said: Another angle that I always look at: being that the play was soo close and impossible to tell from the naked eye I'm surprised that the refs didn't throw a flag for an illegal forward pass and then upon review be unable to overturn a play that didn't show indisputable evidence. Not sure they had video review at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The Music City Forward Pass. I refuse to use the M word. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Utah John said: This is correct. If the Bills had done their jobs, the trick play would not have worked. And while we're at it, before Brett Hull scored his no-goal (which shouldn't have been allowed), a Sabre went right past him, attempting to poke check the puck away, instead of flattening Hull and ending the opportunity. And for that matter, the exhausted Sabres hadn't had a decent scoring chance since the third period, and sooner or later one of the Stars would have scored. OMG! It worked. Now I am officially depressed! ? 56 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: This is a good example of how the game has progressed in terms of analytics. Sports in general are managed with much more precision and dare I say, strategy. Strategy smategy! Give me culture instead!!! Culture is what I need! Culture is what I want. ? Edited October 4, 2018 by Fred Marchibroda Spacing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fred Marchibroda said: OMG! It worked. Now I am officially depressed! ? Strategy smategy! Give me culture instead!!! Culture is what I need! Culture is what I want. ? I got a fevah! And the only prescription is more culture! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Not sure they had video review at that time. They did. It was the first year of instant replay being brought back into the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: Yuck. IMO NFL has already downgraded its product significantly by throwing flags when the ref isn't sure or it's a close play. The default should always be to not throw a flag. Go back and look at the overhead photo of where the 11 Bills were at the moment of the pass. The kick coverage would have embarrassed a high school coach. Can you provide a picture or link to this view? I am not certain I’ve seen this angle before. If anyone has it please provide Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 It only became the textbook coaching decision to run the clock down to 4 seconds, rather than reserve time for a bad snap, AFTER the music city miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Fred Marchibroda said: Can you provide a picture or link to this view? I am not certain I’ve seen this angle before. If anyone has it please provide Thanks Very fuzzy, but you get the idea. I don't know why uploading the picture after I numbered it made it even fuzzier. 11 is the kicker and he's outside the shot of the camera but he's right over by that spot. They actually stayed in their lanes for most of the play, but once Wycheck started making his cut to the right, everyone chased him at that point. Also, just for the record, I know people will hate me for saying it, but I think it was always pretty obvious that it was in fact a backwards pass. Edited October 4, 2018 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. What would that have changed? The Titans still get to run a kick back. Now, if the Bills had kicked the FG as time expired, ok. Edited October 4, 2018 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 3 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... The Bills kicked the fg on first and 10 with 20 seconds left. This is totally playing the result but man I wish we would have kneeled, spiked it and then kicked the fg with 4 seconds on the clock. Yeah that was about the dumbest thing I’ve ever witnessed. They deserved to lose after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 If we kicked with 4 seconds to go time would have expired as it went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Charles Romes said: It only became the textbook coaching decision to run the clock down to 4 seconds, rather than reserve time for a bad snap, AFTER the music city miracle. Typical Bills fashion playing scared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 3 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: I feel this place isn't angry/depressed enough, so let's re-live the Music City Miracle to get ready for the Titans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomper Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Utah John said: This is correct. If the Bills had done their jobs, the trick play would not have worked. And while we're at it, before Brett Hull scored his no-goal (which shouldn't have been allowed), a Sabre went right past him, attempting to poke check the puck away, instead of flattening Hull and ending the opportunity. And for that matter, the exhausted Sabres hadn't had a decent scoring chance since the third period, and sooner or later one of the Stars would have scored. Yes. Good Ole Holzinger. Fly by he'll live forever. Patrick did hit the crossbar in the 2nd OT though. You really want to be depressed? Hitchcock said that neither Hull or Modano would have been available in Game 7 due to injury. What could have been. Edited October 4, 2018 by gomper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I watched the throw and said it would be called back and went to get another beer and when I got back It apparently was a TD 4 hours ago, K-9 said: Stay in your lanes!!! Best imitation of 8 year olds all chasing after the ball on a soccer field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Flutie should have started, we should have taken the game clock down to 3 seconds AND it was a forward pass! All of it contributed to the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 After all these years I still cannot definitively state that it was a forward pass,that’s how close it was. It should have never come down to that. Three things stick out. First is Ralph’s meddling in the QB situation, and it should have been Flutie QBing instead of Johnson. Having said that,Johnson had us winning that game, which leads to the next two problems. Why on Earth are you kicking a Field Goal on first down with 20 something seconds left. Kneel down, call a time out,eat clock until there are 3 seconds left. And The decision to squib kick was terrible. We had enough leg to punch it deep. Afraid of the run back is no way to play. Hell, they would have been better off kicking it out of bounds. Poor,poor special teams coaching and what a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Mark92 said: Flutie should have started, we should have taken the game clock down to 3 seconds AND it was a forward pass! All of it contributed to the outcome. Flutie lost every playoff game, even after being handed the SB defending Bears team, possibly better than the one that won it the prior year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said: If we kicked with 4 seconds to go time would have expired as it went through. True. OOPS! So many years have gone by. It sucked, and it’s actually funny in our house because I was pacing, telling the boys it wasn’t over. Sometimes I HATE being right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 12 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: To me nothing related to Bills football hurts more than "wide right", nothing. Ronnie Harmon's no catch, MCM or even losing to the Jags in Kelly's last game. Nothing compares to "wide right". At least to me. The blowouts to Washington and Dallas were the worst. To be so good and then get crushed was brutal. When the SI came after the Cowgirls’ SB it went straight to the trash. 3 hours ago, Augie said: True. OOPS! So many years have gone by. It sucked, and it’s actually funny in our house because I was pacing, telling the boys it wasn’t over. Sometimes I HATE being right! Trying to be gratuitous, I told the guy next to me the same thing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 If only we had Bobby April as our ST coach at that point in time... Sad though that the most exciting part of Bills games for years was our monster ST players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 8 hours ago, dlonce said: After all these years I still cannot definitively state that it was a forward pass,that’s how close it was. It should have never come down to that. Three things stick out. First is Ralph’s meddling in the QB situation, and it should have been Flutie QBing instead of Johnson. Having said that,Johnson had us winning that game, which leads to the next two problems. Why on Earth are you kicking a Field Goal on first down with 20 something seconds left. Kneel down, call a time out,eat clock until there are 3 seconds left. And The decision to squib kick was terrible. We had enough leg to punch it deep. Afraid of the run back is no way to play. Hell, they would have been better off kicking it out of bounds. Poor,poor special teams coaching and what a surprise. Interesting take. I wonder what the stats would have shown on that. I'm never worried about a hail Mary unless it's in New England and Henry Jones is on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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