BuffaloRush Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Interesting tidbit from the McDermott press conference. Basically he’s open to the idea of shaking up the OL. How would you attempt to fix the Bills OL? Remember, there aren’t really any big names out there on the street who can come in and make a sizeable impact, so your actions are limited to moves you can on the roster and different offensive packages/schemes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Not really much you can do now. Once the season starts, it's usually too late. They definitely got put behind the 8 ball with the unexpected loss of Richie and Wood, but trading Glenn made the problem worse. They probably thought Bodine and Groy were good enough to help, but that doesn't seem to be the case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Can I review what everyone said in all the other O-line threads before I answer? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Can I review what everyone said in all the other O-line threads before I answer? Allow me. Trade Shady, Clay, Benjamin, and Star for some magic beans and then complain about how our hands are tied due to cap hell. Edited September 18, 2018 by Jauronimo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Allow me. Trade Shady, Clay, Benjamin, and Star and then complain about how their hands were tied due to cap hell. Thanks!...time saved! But I though we did that after week 1. Wait, i think I saw KB at the end there. And someone fell on McCoy, so obv he was out there too at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I think Miller has been the biggest issue through two games. I would start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) another approach so ive heard is let Josh gain some experience so he makes his reads quicker. Edited September 18, 2018 by Comebackkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1. Bench Miller and start Teller 2. Wait two more weeks and target a top 10 G with 2+ years on their contract - offer a 3rd round pick and KB 3. Trade down in the first round and draft the best C in the draft and a RT. 4. Add a WR in FA 5. Add two LB, a TE, and two DB in the draft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 all throws should be within 2 seconds with these turnstiles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Incognito would scare the bad out of the Oline... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: 1. Bench Miller and start Teller 2. Wait two more weeks and target a top 10 G with 2+ years on their contract - offer a 3rd round pick and KB 3. Trade down in the first round and draft the best C in the draft and a RT. 4. Add a WR in FA 5. Add two LB, a TE, and two DB in the draft This here in bold. If everyone is going to suck, it might as well be a rookie who might actually learn and progress. Then hit up other teams PS for OL prospects, sign them, and start them. At the end of the year, if any of the young guys show promise, awesome! But if not, in a worst case scenario, we are right back where we are now needing every spot on the line replaced besides LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Dump Ducasse and Miller and sign a couple of fat drunk guys from the stands. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Picks 2 ,3 and 4 in the draft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Get rid of Castillo 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Gonna have to draft and use some FA money next season. Too late for this season, the tank is on!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Start Teller for Ducasse, don't let Castillo back into the building, and draft OL in the first round...to start 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, billspro said: I think Miller has been the biggest issue through two games. I would start there. Yank Miller for Teller how much worse can he be than turnstyle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Not gonna see wholesale changes on the OL after the season starts without injury..... Dawkins - LT our best OL men Decausse....the OL coaches boy for some reason....not going anywhere Center.....you could see Bodine in place of Groy but I doubt it....so Groy stays RIGHT GUARD.....Miller out.....Wyatt Teller in Mills stays at RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: another approach so ive heard is let Josh gain some experience so he makes is reads quicker. Dammit! You let the cat out of the bag! yes, it’s true. The Russians spiked Ritchie’s cocoa with poison on the day we traded Glenn to Cinci & McBeane used Trump’s doctor to ‘find’ Wood’s neck injury. All part of the plan to throw Allen (whom they secretly conspired with the League to assure we’d select) to the wolves to toughen him up for a long career. We’re supposed to be witless fanatics, but you just blew the lid off the jar of the League conspiracy. otherwise, we’ve seen creative minds ruse average to below average OL into competent blockers via scheme. The jury has sent the judge their verdict. Daboll & Castillo aren’t creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Dammit! You let the cat out of the bag! yes, it’s true. The Russians spiked Ritchie’s cocoa with poison on the day we traded Glenn to Cinci & McBeane used Trump’s doctor to ‘find’ Wood’s neck injury. All part of the plan to throw Allen (whom they secretly conspired with the League to assure we’d select) to the wolves to toughen him up for a long career. We’re supposed to be witless fanatics, but you just blew the lid off the jar of the League conspiracy. otherwise, we’ve seen creative minds ruse average to below average OL into competent blockers via scheme. The jury has sent the judge their verdict. Daboll & Castillo aren’t creative. Interesting that Daboll was brought in for his creative mind, over the mundane and archaic Dennison, to which I say.... Hellooo, I'm waiting. Castillo is nothing but a mystery concerning his existence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: Interesting that Daboll was brought in for his creative mind, over the mundane and archaic Dennison, to which I say.... Hellooo, I'm waiting. Castillo is nothing but a mystery concerning his existence. I’ve liked what I see in pre-snap looks and not-seen-before formations from Dabs, along with better passing than Tuhrod. Can’t say though if it’s him, Castillo or just terrible OL players that are crippling the offense to date. Likely a combination of all 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: 1. Bench Miller and start Teller 2. Wait two more weeks and target a top 10 G with 2+ years on their contract - offer a 3rd round pick and KB 3. Trade down in the first round and draft the best C in the draft and a RT. 4. Add a WR in FA 5. Add two LB, a TE, and two DB in the draft 6. Fire Castillo and return to the blocking scheme of 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: Interesting tidbit from the McDermott press conference. Basically he’s open to the idea of shaking up the OL. How would you attempt to fix the Bills OL? Remember, there aren’t really any big names out there on the street who can come in and make a sizeable impact, so your actions are limited to moves you can on the roster and different offensive packages/schemes etc. well they are screwed now but might as well go with the youngster to get them more experience, like Allen is. 3 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: Picks 2 ,3 and 4 in the draft Or free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 A couple years ago Richie and others went to the coaches and asked them to simplify the blocking schemes and the line play improved overnight. I'd start there. Then see which guys still get blown off the ball routinely and replace them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1. Fire Teflon Juan 2. Fire Teflon Juan 3. Start Teller in place of Ducasse (move Ducasse to RG) 4. Hire Juan Castillo - just to fire him immediately again 5. Work out every RT and OG that is a FA. Sign an improvement to Ducasse and Mills 6. Call Juan Castillo to remind him he is Fired 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Send your scouts to CFL games must be someone playing OL in CFL that could play in the NFL since our OL looks like a midget league line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Trade down in the off season from top 5 pick to middle and end of round one and use both picks for O line. Then use cap cap space for stud vet. It will be young but better next year. Groy Miller and Ducasse don’t start in 2019. Beane needs to stay away from skill position picks early. This team needs trench help. Edited September 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Other than hoping some in-house guys can understand wtf Juan is talking about and can stand up physically, there's really not much you can do at this point. Bringing someone in at this point would kinda be a waste since it's going to take them the rest of the damn season to figure out what the hell Juan is teaching. To me you have to hope that Teller and Boettger develop quickly so they can take over the G spots. Center is just going to be a physically weak spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I am surprised that Groy is the worst of the three. I thought he would be serviavke at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) PUNT Edited September 18, 2018 by THE SLAMMER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Too little, too late. The time to fix the OL was back in the off season during FA and the draft. Furthermore, if McDermott's just realized that the OL is a cesspool, then that raises of serious questions about his fitness to be a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 hours ago, thunderingsquid said: Get rid of Castillo ^^^^ THIS ^^^^ bears repeating Get rid of Castillo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: 1. Bench Miller and start Teller 2. Wait two more weeks and target a top 10 G with 2+ years on their contract - offer a 3rd round pick and KB 3. Trade down in the first round and draft the best C in the draft and a RT. 4. Add a WR in FA 5. Add two LB, a TE, and two DB in the draft Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Start plugging in rookies, someone that may actually learn and begin to play well after a few weeks. It can't get worse than the garbage they have out there now. Right side was garbage last year - then they move the garbage to the left side and fill the right side with more garbage....thus it STINKS. Major failure of the front office not to address this mess AT ALL. WTF were they thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: Interesting tidbit from the McDermott press conference. Basically he’s open to the idea of shaking up the OL. How would you attempt to fix the Bills OL? Remember, there aren’t really any big names out there on the street who can come in and make a sizeable impact, so your actions are limited to moves you can on the roster and different offensive packages/schemes etc. You realize this limitation is a non-sequitor, correct? Just because there aren't any big names out there on the street, does not mean there aren't OLmen available on practice squads or as lower level FA who might contribute. So that's a rather fallacious limitation. As far as schemes, I've said elsewhere that from watching the first week, I thought we blocked better when our blocking scheme was simpler and closer to "see that dude across from you? Get him" and worse when our blocking scheme involved motion, especially bi-directional motion (I saw tripping over feet at worst, inability to re-set and gain leverage quickly enough at best). So looking hard at the film, accepting our current OL's limitations and throwing some of the schemes out the window might help more than is thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Older article as some have resigned Lewan and Matthews who were #1 and #2 .. but here are the 2019 FA's ... thoughts? 3. Duane Brown, Seattle Seahawks4. Daryl Williams, Carolina Panthers5. Rob Havenstein, Los Angeles Rams The emphasis placed on established veterans over promising prospects is greater than ever as the collegiate game struggles to produce ready-made offensive linemen. As such, contracts for blockers have skyrocketed the last few years, and the growth should continue with two of the game's better young left tackles, Lewan and Matthews, potentially available in 2019. Duane Brown, on the other hand, can still land a massive payday—Andrew Whitworth and Nate Solder did despite their ages. Williams and Havenstein are right tackles. Guard 1. Ali Marpet, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2. Shaq Mason, New England Patriots 3. Quinton Spain, Tennessee Titans 4. Mike Iupati, Arizona Cardinals 5. Jack Mewhort, Indianapolis Colts Guard isn't as glamorous as tackle, but the price tags for some of the league's best interior blockers rival their counterparts. Marpet should be the next to receive a large check because he can excel at both guard spots and center. Mason is one of the game's best run-blockers, while Spain is 26 years old with 27 starts over the last two seasons. Iupati and Mewhort could be higher on the list if not for their injury histories. Center 1. Matt Paradis, Denver Broncos 2. Mitch Morse, Kansas City Chiefs 3. Brett Jones, New York Giants 4. Travis Swanson, New York Jets 5. Nick Easton, Minnesota Vikings Center doesn't present the same depth as guard and tackle, but Paradis is an underappreciated and reliable option with 48 starts over the last three seasons Morse is younger and more physically gifted, yet he dealt with a foot injury in 2017 and needs to return to form. Jones, Swanson and Easton have all started and have enough flexibility to play guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 hours ago, thunderingsquid said: Get rid of Castillo Not that I am a fan of Castillo by any stretch but that wouldn't work. Remember when we brought in McNally? He was going to make our OL good with a "new scheme." Well, he looked like he wanted to cry on the sidelines. There was zero improvement because there was a lack of talent, plain and simple. It is extremely hard to get good blockers outside of the draft. Teams keep these guys. The only team that I know of with a history of dumping their best blockers is the Buffalo Bills. 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Not gonna see wholesale changes on the OL after the season starts without injury..... Dawkins - LT our best OL men Decausse....the OL coaches boy for some reason....not going anywhere Center.....you could see Bodine in place of Groy but I doubt it....so Groy stays RIGHT GUARD.....Miller out.....Wyatt Teller in Mills stays at RT If this happens the team will continue to suck. 5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: I’ve liked what I see in pre-snap looks and not-seen-before formations from Dabs, along with better passing than Tuhrod. Can’t say though if it’s him, Castillo or just terrible OL players that are crippling the offense to date. Likely a combination of all 3? Coach Saban was quoted this week as saying that Daboll basically brought the NE passing game to Alabama. I agree that Daboll is not the problem. We have little to no offensive talent aside for an aging McCoy. That's basically it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drf1835 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Replace all five O-Linemen. Trade for aging Penn on Oakland. Put him in next to Teller. Have Penn and Teller create magic and make Juan disappear. Then switch Nate Orchard to the O-Line, and put him next to Ian Park, who we will sign soon according to my dream. So, that leaves one spot left. We bring back DeBeer. So, our startng 5 are: Penn, Teller, Orchard, Park, DeBeer. I that should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutie Flakes Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, frostbitmic said: Dump Ducasse and Miller and sign a couple of fat drunk guys from the stands. Or sign the three guys fighting at the Lackawana toll plaza. They at least showed some spirit and the one guy through a shoe ten yards, so he's got that going for him. Quick fix for our OL's interior. Edited September 18, 2018 by Flutie Flakes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Make quicker more decisive reads. Open the passing game will open run lanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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