[Edited Title] Patrick Mahomes Looks Great

[PeterDude]

Just now, Cripple Creek said:

You do realize this is the third Mahomes thread?

 

Please, do everyone a favor. Use the drop down to delete this one.

 

Get used to Mahomes threads for years to come I think.

[Warcodered]

If they'd drafted Mahomes would he come with the good O-line and recievers in the box or would you have to buy them separately?

[Peter]

Like it or not, McCoach will forever be linked with the decision not to draft him and trade the pick.

 

P.S. Yes, McCoach, not Whaley, was in control of that draft etc.

[Klaista2k]

How can the Mahomes threads be expected to be ignored?

 

We just passed on him in the 17 draft (traded the pick away), and now he's tearing the league up....

 

I'm sorry that can't be ignored. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

if only there were other decisions we could discuss. Alas, this staff has had their hands tied and the situation forced on them. It’s not like they’ve been one of the most active in the league in turning over the roster.

 

That's the point, though. Bringing in Mahomes last year wouldn't have made any sense.

 

I firmly believe THIS was the plan. Cut the guys last year, but not so deep as not to affect performance and take the hit this year.

 

So then what? You'd have Mahomes on this team. Do you -really- think that would work out well?

 

[Rc2catch]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/

 

 

here go post there... 

or maybe in the other Mahomes threads. 

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Who the F is blindly following any staff here? For crissakes. People act as if Mahomes would be putting up the same stat line with our personnel as he is in KC. That's just a ridiculous take. 

 

I'm sure McBeane and Co. have screwed the pooch for this year seven ways to Sunday. That's not what I'm addressing though. 

 

What if we hired some of those offensive guru types, paired him with a GM with a competent set up right from the start and spent money and picks on offense instead of eating the dareus hit and then signing star and using all those picks to trade up (not to mention trading for Benjamin).

 

Part of firing Rex was that we had a good young core that was underachieving. It’s not like McDermott inherited a dumpster fire.

[Peter]

Just now, Warcodered said:

If they'd drafted Mahomes would he come with the good O-line and recievers in the box or would you have to buy them separately?

 

He would have (or at least could have had) the benefit of all of the assets that we gave up to be able to draft Josh.

 

One particularly good example is a guy by the name of Cordy Glenn.

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Why didn’t we get one of those qb gurus then? 

Because we have an inept organization.

[HOUSE]

Geeez, get over it

[Phils n Bills]

What is a Mahomes?

[K-9]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Well they could have drafted him and had 4 additional 2-3 rd picks to fill in this year but they chose not to.

Yes, and? Nobody's arguing that here. McBeane could have done many things differently but that's kind of a moot point now. If you choose to wallow in wrong decisions, don't let me stop you. 

 

I just don't want anyone to tell me Mahomes would be just as good with our personnel as he is with the supporting cast he has in KC. Have you seen the plays his receivers have been making? Mahomes has been great, don't get me wrong, but we don't have anyone that can take a five yard crossing pattern and turn it into a 75 yard TD currently. 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Klaista2k said:

How can the Mahomes threads be expected to be ignored?

 

We just passed on him in the 17 draft (traded the pick away), and now he's tearing the league up....

 

I'm sorry that can't be ignored. 

Then don't ignore if it you can't. Just share it in one of the 5000 Mahomes threads that already exist....

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

Part of firing Rex was that we had a good young core that was underachieving. It’s not like McDermott inherited a dumpster fire.

 

Yeah, he kinda did. A roster full of average players taking up nearly the whole cap. That's the point. The team was never good enough, but was still jammed up.

 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that we all owe a tip of the cap to @thebandit27. He was all over Mahomes when he looked like a 4th round pick. Bandit was all over that. He was right (as usual). He may be the best poster on this board too. 

 

 

Yep. Bandit was on Mahomes before any of the talking heads were. 

[Mark80]

Hot take.  Scrub.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

17 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

 A homer is someone who defends someone blindly, completely disregarding anything that is critical of the said player. 

 

As a Bills fan, I root for the whole team, every player.   But I will not buy into the hype of any player who has done nothing. 

 

I am discussing the fact we traded 10 overall last year, when we knew we needed A Qb. 

 

That pick landed the Chiefs Mahomes.  It could of landed us Mahomes. 

 

 

 it did not though so I guess you need to keep your pitchforks and torches handy.

 

I haven't blindly defended any player and I am well aware Allen needs time, so I'll ride out this storm. 

[Nuncha]

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[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Klaista2k said:

I'm sorry that can't be ignored. 

 

No you're not. And yes, it can.

 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

What if we hired some of those offensive guru types, paired him with a GM with a competent set up right from the start and spent money and picks on offense instead of eating the dareus hit and then signing star and using all those picks to trade up (not to mention trading for Benjamin).

 

Part of firing Rex was that we had a good young core that was underachieving. It’s not like McDermott inherited a dumpster fire.

Our front office is the worst front office in the history of the league and it makes the Browns look like the the Patriots*** by comparison. Just don't tell me Mahomes would be just as good in Buffalo as he is in KC. No !@#$ way. 

[Adam]

Must be nice playing behind a decent offensive line, instead of alongside and in front of a bad one, like Peterman and Allen

[NoSaint]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

That's the point, though. Bringing in Mahomes last year wouldn't have made any sense.

 

I firmly believe THIS was the plan. Cut the guys last year, but not so deep as not to affect performance and take the hit this year.

 

So then what? You'd have Mahomes on this team. Do you -really- think that would work out well?

 

Why is it a given that we had to cut dareus and sign star, for instance? Or had to trade Glenn? Coleman was self inflicted, and had we done the vet qb and rookie thing last year we wouldn’t have been in the spot of signing McCarron. 

 

Again, just because this regime made incredibly bold moves to shed players doesn’t mean the moves were required or even right. How they then allocated resources was questionable too. 

[Beast]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

Worst. Fanbase. In. The. NFL.

 

 

For stating the !@#$ing obvious truth??????

 

These guys are SUPPOSED to be professionals.

 

Sorry if it pees on your fandom.

 

They SUCK,

Edited September 16, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[Matt_In_NH]

Mahomes through lots of picks in training camp!   Chiefs were concerned.   Meanwhile our guy was great in tc and did not make it through one !@#$ing game.  I wonder when people will get it through their heads that what you see in preseason. Is not real?

[PIZ]

12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, I get the "Mahomes has more talent around him than any other QB in the NFL" responses. But come on: this kind of response ("Allen will be better") is just silly.

 

Why is it silly?  It's my opinion that Allen will be better.  I think he has more tools than Mahomes.  I think he will be better than Mahomes.

 

 

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Yeah, he kinda did. A roster full of average players taking up nearly the whole cap. That's the point. The team was never good enough, but was still jammed up.

 

Sean McDermott has a worse record with the Bills as Rex Ryan. 

 

Rex Ryan’s worst loss was by 16 points. 

Mcdermortt and Co lose by 16+ 40% if the time. 

 

But “trust the process” is catchy. 

[Hebert19]

And Watson was going to be MvP last year before he got hurt.  He looks average this year.  Who cares.  Can't go to hall of fame based on 2 games. 

[Cripple Creek]

53 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

That excuse didn't stop the Allen homers from shredding Peterman, did it? 

& the team performed better under Allen.  Besides trolling, what is your point?

[Bing Bong]

32 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

No I meant what I said, and you're turning into a prime example of it.

 

Joe. This is a bad fan:

 

The rest of us are not doing this and will never do this. Some like me are hoping for positive change and believe it will happen.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Sean McDermott has a worse record with the Bills as Rex Ryan. 

 

Rex Ryan’s worst loss was by 16 points. 

Mcdermortt and Co lose by 16+ 40% if the time. 

 

But “trust the process” is catchy. 

 

Sean McDermott had coached fewer games than Rex Ryan. So you're fudging numbers at the moment. We get it, you don't like him. Don't care.

[peterpan]

1 hour ago, Woodman19 said:

He has a line, receivers and time to learn behind an established QB.  

So you are saying he plays for a competent franchise and we don't have one?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Joe. This is a bad fan:

 

The rest of us are not doing this and will never do this. Some like me are hoping for positive change and believe it will happen.

Really?

 

Did you read the gameday thread today? It was a !@#$ing embarrassment not just to Bills fans, but to humanity as a whole.

 

Full of people just like that guy.

 

[CountDorkula]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Sean McDermott had coached fewer games than Rex Ryan. So you're fudging numbers at the moment. We get it, you don't like him. Don't care.

I’m not fudging any numbers. Rex with the Bills had 0 losses of 20 or more. 

 

Mcdermott has 6 20+ point losses. 

 

Rex Did not care and did not try. Mcdermott is trying his best. It’s concerning

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

Why is it silly?  It's my opinion that Allen will be better.  I think he has more tools than Mahomes.  I think he will be better than Mahomes.

 

 

Because it's based on nothing. The both have huge arms and are great athletes. They both were considered raw coming out of college, which is why they lasted until 10th/7th in their respective drafts. Mahomes has already shown something - something very good - in limited NFL action. Allen (even more limited) has shown next to nothing. In other words, there's absolutely no rational reason right now for saying that Allen will be better (not "as good as" - actually "better") than Mahomes at this point.

[Peter]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

I’m not fudging any numbers. Rex with the Bills had 0 losses of 20 or more. 

 

Mcdermott has 6 20+ point losses. 

 

Rex Did not care and did not try. Mcdermott is trying his best. It’s concerning

 

I agree with the above except for the bit about Rex not caring.  

 

I also think that we would have been better off not throwing him under the bus after just one year (e.g. leak to Vic Carucci before second season that Rex would be fired if the Bills did not make the playoffs . . . .).

 

 

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Our front office is the worst front office in the history of the league and it makes the Browns look like the the Patriots*** by comparison. Just don't tell me Mahomes would be just as good in Buffalo as he is in KC. No !@#$ way. 

 

Other than “terry couldn’t hire the right people” is there a reason? He could’ve sat behind Tyrod a full year, been paired with a coach like McVay. I know there’s some MMQB in there but why couldn’t buffalo be a spot where a young qb gets what he needs?

[BringBackFergy]

 Blake Bortles is looking ok. 2014 pick. So I guess the idea is we have 3 more years to find out. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

40 minutes ago, RunninRebel37 said:

 

Allens situation is a Cluster Funk* because the organization made it one. He could’ve had a year to sit behind a capable veteran (Tyrod) until he was ready to go. We literally had identical situations (both Wildcard playoff team members) with vets the team isn’t sold on and a young player (because the team knew they was drafting Allen) ready to groom. True the Chiefs got better skill position talent but again, that’s an area specifically neglected by our team and actively addressed by KC (paying the player WE drafted). McDermotts and Co. look in over their heads. Their FA have been a BUST and the players they’ve gotten rid of are contributing at high level for their respective teams. 

 

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

Exactly.

 

[RaoulDuke79]

1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

How does it feel to know he threw 6tds today, and he was drafted 10th last year at a pick we traded away to Kansas City? 

 

Feels like a dagger in the heart to me. 

 

This kid is on FIRE.

I didn't really think about it until you brought it up. Now that you mention it, I'm probably not going to think about it either. No use wasting time on would've could've type stuff.