Bills Release WR Jeremy Kerley; Sign DT Robert Thomas from PS

[Mango]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We were going to get beat 47-3 anyways. We could have started Kim Pegula at WR and saved the cap space. 

 

Kirby, you’re a guy with a lot of historical insight into the Bills, and X’s and O’s. Your posts are generally pretty level headed. I always appreciate them. 

 

It’s telling of this regime that you’ve been getting more and more angsty with their decisions. 

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I know that I CAN be wrong and I will have no problem admitting it, but I don't think it's likely.

 

Jim Caldwell did an ok job with the Lions but there was never any true belief he'd lead them to a Super Bowl.  That's how I feel about McDermott.  He'll have some success, but it will be outweighed by his failures.

 

The signs are all around you.  These guys aren't it.

 

 

 

 

What is the parallel between Jim Caldwell and Sean McDermott that shows their careers will be the same? Jeremy Kerley played for both of them?

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Really?? (As an aside, being a snarky d**k in debate just makes you look like a jerk.) I like Dawkins, but he's currently average at best. He has potential, but he ain't there yet. More to the point, with regard to your snark:

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-buffalo-bills-all-22-review-week-1-vs-baltimore-ravens

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2017-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-guards_centers

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/2/25/17032128/2017-buffalo-bills-had-some-salary-cap-bargains-disappointments-jerry-hughes-vlad-ducasse-zay-jones

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/dion-dawkins/11818

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/vladimir-ducasse/5586

 

I stand by my comment

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Kirby, you’re a guy with a lot of historical insight into the Bills, and X’s and O’s. Your posts are generally pretty level headed. I always appreciate them. 

 

It’s telling of this regime that you’ve been getting more and more angsty with their decisions. 

I was a late adopter to “the process.” All that I said at the time is let’s see what these guys do before we give them a key to the city. McDermott got the most out of a mediocore team last year. I think that he’s a decent coach but I don’t really trust him. He’s also an egomaniac and so set on his guys. I don’t believe that he values talent nearly enough. Twice, he was okay starting Nathan Peterman. He doesn’t belong in the league. 

 

I give Beane a little more rope at this point despite some obvious mistakes (ie keeping Kerley for a week allowing him to hit the cap). He had to tear it down to clean up the cap. His career will be dependent on Allen and the next offseason. We are either going to be in great shape or a disaster. This is a real crossroads for the franchise. It’s where the Sabres were when they hired Tim Murray. Everyone loved him at first and he ended up being one of the worst ever. We will see what happens I guess.

[RobbRiddick]

I'm glad he's gone, his name annoys me

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I was a late adopter to “the process.” All that I said at the time is let’s see what these guys do before we give them a key to the city. McDermott got the most out of a mediocore team last year. I think that he’s a decent coach but I don’t really trust him. He’s also an egomaniac and so set on his guys. I don’t believe that he values talent nearly enough. Twice, he was okay starting Nathan Peterman. He doesn’t belong in the league. 

 

I give Beane a little more rope at this point despite some obvious mistakes (ie keeping Kerley for a week allowing him to hit the cap). He had to tear it down to clean up the cap. His career will be dependent on Allen and the next offseason. We are either going to be in great shape or a disaster. This is a real crossroads for the franchise. It’s where the Sabres were when they hired Tim Murray. Everyone loved him at first and he ended up being one of the worst ever. We will see what happens I guess.

 

Im actually the opposite currently. I see most of these roster moves as Beane’s doing. I have little trust currently in his talent evaluation (pro or college). I don’t think we were in cap hell, but we are now. 

 

I do thibk if youre a good coach, you’re a better team than the day you showed up. If you’re a good GM, you have more talent than the day you showed up. Currently we are neither, and that’s concerning. 

 

It’s risky to tear down, because if you can’t replace, you’ve decimated a roster/franchise for 3-5 years minimum. He’s gotta be the best GM in the NFL next year in FA and the draft for this to pan out, because we released most of our top talent. 

 

I agree. If Allen pans out, Beane is fine for a while. He’s directly tied to his success at this point. 

Edited September 15, 2018 by Mango

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Im actually the opposite currently. I see most of these roster moves as Beane’s doing. I have little trust currently in his talent evaluation (pro or college). I don’t think we were in cap hell, but we are now. 

 

I do thibk if youre a good coach, you’re a better team than the day you showed up. If you’re a good GM, you have more talent than the day you showed up. Currently we are neither, and that’s concerning. 

 

It’s risky to tear down, because if you can’t replace, you’ve decimated a roster/franchise for 3-5 years minimum. He’s gotta be the best GM in the NFL next year in FA and the draft for this to pan out, because we released most of our top talent. 

 

I agree. If Allen pans out, Beane is fine for a while. He’s directly tied to his success at this point. 

Yeah, I am not saying the Beane has done a good job at this point. I think it’s an “incomplete.” He has massive pressure now to get this right but he is operating with a clean slate. They are going to have to draft well and spend in FA. They have a lot of holes.

[COTC]

6 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

 

Then explain why we picked up a punter they hadn't actually seen punt, who also happens to be an ordained minister? 

 

This is a correct statement. His priorities are obviously way out of whack. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

16 minutes ago, Mango said:

It’s risky to tear down, because if you can’t replace, you’ve decimated a roster/franchise for 3-5 years minimum. He’s gotta be the best GM in the NFL next year in FA and the draft for this to pan out, because we released most of our top talent. 

 

Problem with your complaint: Our "top talent" consisted of a decoy WR, a rotational DT and a LT who was chronically injured while with us.

 

So, not exactly top talent.

 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, BobChalmers said:

 

"that would've paid the part of Cordy Glenn's salary we saved by trading him. "

 

Why do so many  - including "professional" media people - keep talking about the Glenn and Taylor TRADES as if they were only salary moves??

 

Without those two trades (for picks), the Bills don't have Allen and Edmunds right now - they are the future of this team.

You are astute and perspicacious. The Bills haven't had a franchise qb in over a generation. The organization did what they had to do to get an authentic franchise qb prospect. And yet some people are bothered by that. It makes no sense. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Forgive me for stating the obvious so late in the day on this topic, but wasn't Kerley our number 3 receiver at worst, but in reality our number 2?

Edited September 16, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[Kmart128]

We really need to release a TE.... Wasting roster spots

[NoSaint]

20 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You are astute and perspicacious. The Bills haven't had a franchise qb in over a generation. The organization did what they had to do to get an authentic franchise qb prospect. And yet some people are bothered by that. It makes no sense. 

 

Because it’s not an acceptable excuse for every roster move 

[BuffAlone]

KB and Josh Gordon outside, Zay in the slot. I like it?

[dollars 2 donuts]

I like him, I really do for what he does...but why is Andre Holmes the only WR that gets to sleep soundly at night without any fear of getting cut?

Edited September 16, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Because it’s not an acceptable excuse for every roster move 

Without the Cordy Glenn trade with the Bengals that moved us up the board the Bills would not have been able to draft Josh Allen. I would make that deal any day of the week. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

Cordy, sure. Tyrod, less essential in this narrative

 

Have you called back on all the times you’ve called people out for being negative? It seems you just plow on to the next player/coach to hype and call fellow posters out on being skeptical of. 

As a matter of fact....yes I have.

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

A numbers game at DT that we created by waiving Washington. This team is not very smart.

[Beast]

The Bills will make up for this when they sign Larry, Moe and Shemp next week.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Kerely wasn't any good so no big loss, but I wish we trying to find some offense to develop.

 

 

[Mango]

59 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Problem with your complaint: Our "top talent" consisted of a decoy WR, a rotational DT and a LT who was chronically injured while with us.

 

So, not exactly top talent.

 

 Are we better or worse without Darby, Dareus, Watkins (I don’t mind this trade), Bradham, and Glenn? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Mango said:

 Are we better or worse without Darby, Dareus, Watkins (I don’t mind this trade), Bradham, and Glenn? 

 

Let me break it down for you:

 

Some of us understand that those guys were NOT getting it done. Some of us were sick of .500 football, because we understand that .500 football is the WORST possible outcome. You never get elite talent, you never get a shot at a QB.

 

.500 football is why we missed the playoffs for 17 years. The team never tried for excellence, and they are now. Part of that plan is to rip out the rot in the middle of the franchise.

 

Mango...those guys you listed? They were the rot. Overpaid, underperforming AVERAGE.

 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Let me break it down for you:

 

Some of us understand that those guys were NOT getting it done. Some of us were sick of .500 football, because we understand that .500 football is the WORST possible outcome. You never get elite talent, you never get a shot at a QB.

 

.500 football is why we missed the playoffs for 17 years. The team never tried for excellence, and they are now. Part of that plan is to rip out the rot in the middle of the franchise.

 

Mango...those guys you listed? They were the rot. Overpaid, underperforming AVERAGE.

 

 

So better or worse? 

 

Being under.500 (and a bad football team) this year is why we will miss the playoffs. 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Mango said:

 

So better or worse? 

 

Being under.500 (and a bad football team) this year is why we will miss the playoffs. 

 

 

And I'm ok with that, because in the long term I believe we will be better.

 

A LOT better.

 

You're entitled to disagree, of course. But in no way, shape or form am I obligated to think you're right.

 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

You are astute and perspicacious. The Bills haven't had a franchise qb in over a generation. The organization did what they had to do to get an authentic franchise qb prospect. And yet some people are bothered by that. It makes no sense. 

 

If you question the bolded, you might be bothered perhaps.

 

 

[Big Turk]

Kerley likely will claim his vested veteran guarantee so he will be getting paid regardless for the rest of the year.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

 

If you question the bolded, you might be bothered perhaps.

 

 

 

So again, it boils down to "I disagree with this decision, so they must not know what they're doing."

 

[COTC]

Front Office Decision making process seems broken and irrational. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

They weren't getting it done. There's no telling if these guys are either. Their moves are questionable at best. 

 

You're saying this before they've even really BEGAN the build. You're saying this during the tear-down. It would be a bit more equitable to judge after you see what they do with the cap space and draft picks.

 

[BrooklynBills]

1 hour ago, Adam727 said:

Right.  Which at the time I understood.  I didn't like the idea of losing that much talent on the Oline & Dline, but I understood we were saving the money going forward.  

 

Then they spent $50mil on Star (over the length of the contract) and another ~$15-$20mil this year on Vontae Davis/Chris Ivory/McCarron/Coleman/Kerley/Bodine.  I'd rather have Glenn & Dareus at that point.  The people they are spending salary cap $$ on appear to be worse than the players they cut/traded to free up the space in the first place I guess is my issue.  

 

In a vacuum, yes- I think i'd take Dareus and Glenn over all those players FOR ONE YEAR. But Dareus and Glenn were not 1 year commitments like all the guys you have mentioned (except for Star).

 

It is all about clearing out as much money as possible for 2019 because that is the first year where massive gaurantees to could be alleviated. 2018 always carried with it a huge salary cap number based on the contracts that were signed prior to McBeane coming aboard whether there was dead cap with players cut/traded or whether those players were still here.

 

2019 was always the target year to get the Bills cap situation set in order to grow cap space moving forward. 

 

You gotta roll over that unused cap space year to year in order to build up your team. 

 

Look at what Jacksonville has done dating back to 2013. By not spending to the cap every year, they were able to increase their team's individual cap number every year and from 2013-2017 they averaged 27.8 million of adjusted salary cap per year. This allowed them to sign at least one impact player in free agency since 2015 while still creating enough cap space to rollover and grow their cap every year. 

 

Their entire defense is built through 1 great draft and several major FA signings over the past few years: Malik Jackson in 2016 and Barry Church, Calias Campbell, Tashuan Gipson, and AJ Bouye in 2017. Not to mention be able to sign the FA OL in 2018 in Norwell.

 

This is the new team building tool that rebuilding teams are going to be using when doing a major rebuild.

[Peter]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I would concur with the exception of needing an edge rusher.

There's an old saying:  luck favors the prepared mind

 

The "prepared mind" had nothing to do with the miracle Andy Dalton TD or the late and controversial penalty on the two point conversion against the Colts.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Peter said:

 

The "prepared mind" had nothing to do with the miracle Andy Dalton TD or the late and controversial penalty on the two point conversion against the Colts.

That was the luck.  The prepared mind has the team in position to capitalize.

[Peter]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

That was the luck.  The prepared mind has the team in position to capitalize.

 

The team is getting progressively worse.  My mind is prepared to accept that. 

[CamboBill]

9 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Ok, this is a bit odd. Unless we are running a lot of TEs.

 

Vote of confidence in Zay Jones?

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Peter said:

 

The team is getting progressively worse.  My mind is prepared to accept that. 

Based on one game?  Honest to God.

 

I thought they'd be 6-10 last year.  They made the playoffs.  I think they'll be 6-10 this year.  Who knows?  They clearly stunk last week but they did in a couple games last year too.

 

Interested to see how Allen does as well as Edmunds.

[Trogdor]

6 hours ago, dabills21 said:

What if I am?  Still doesn't change the fact that we need 4 healthy DTs to rotate and Kerley isn't changing the outcome if we have success passing the football tomorrow...

 

News flash, Josh Allen will still be the one throwing passes to equally as talented receivers 

Equal talent maybe, but not effort. Probably shouldn't have released a DT earlier in the week that then caused them to drop their only reliable WR. KB and Zay are terrible.

[Cripple Creek]

7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I like them and still do, for now. But there is no evidence that they are smart about offense. They got rid of Sammy, Woods, Goodwin, and now Kerley. They acquired Matthews, KB, Coleman, Zay, Foster and McCloud. The hired and fired Dennison. They hired and kept Castillo, which is worse. They drafted Dawkins but got rid of Glenn. They signed and kept DuCasse. They replaced Wood and Richie (granted, losing them was not their fault but the replacements are) with Bodine and Newhouse, who no one thought were good. They signed and then got rid of AJ. They signed and played Tolbert for an entire season they have now fixed with Ivory and Murphy. They drafted and they started Peterman twice, two of the very worst starts in all of NFL history.

 

They did draft Josh, who wasnt my first choice even with QBs still available but I very much like him now and if he is a hit, then they will get a lot of respect back. But what is it you think they have done with the offense that gives you so much hope?

well, they haven't traded Shady for a 5th round pick yet

[Peter]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Based on one game?  Honest to God.

 

I thought they'd be 6-10 last year.  They made the playoffs.  I think they'll be 6-10 this year.  Who knows?  They clearly stunk last week but they did in a couple games last year too.

 

Interested to see how Allen does as well as Edmunds.

 

As I have said, I think that the record last year was a mirage given the other metrics.  I said well before the season that I was expecting the team to be worse this year.  The historic and embarrassing loss to the Ravens just confirmed what I already believed.

 

I hope they can turn it around, but I think that this year is going to be a very tough and depressing year.  

 

I just hope that Josh can develop and does not get crushed (physically and otherwise) in the process.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Trogdor said:

Equal talent maybe, but not effort. Probably shouldn't have released a DT earlier in the week that then caused them to drop their only reliable WR. KB and Zay are terrible.

Here's the thing though.  They watched preseason.  They watched the first game.  They evaluate players all through that time.  So we have to assume they felt Washington was a liability.  Do you then keep him just to say you have 4 DTs?  Or do you get rid of a guy not performing?

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

well, they haven't traded Shady for a 5th round pick yet

Yep, and haven't jammed a knitting needle in my eye yet, so they got those two things going for them.