Rob's House Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Two busts evaluated from one game played? You must be the greatest talent scout of all time. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: Rob, seriously? Bust? Watch the friggin game. The guy is 20 years old and was close to being the best defensive player on the field for the Bills. I'm not certain that he should be calling the plays, but I am sure that he is far from looking like a bust. Are you just trolling? exactly, he's the youngest rookie LB in the history of the NFL. I realize we're all pissed off and we want to spray the blame gun all over this team. If you want to lay blame go after the overpaid and underperforming veterans like Benjamin, Murphy and Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: exactly, he's the youngest rookie LB in the history of the NFL. I realize we're all pissed off and we want to spray the blame gun all over this team. If you want to lay blame go after the overpaid and underperforming veterans like Benjamin, Murphy and Star. Edmunds was one of the better players on a defense that played like dogcrap. A dubious honor to be sure but he was not the problem. While the game was still in reach, the real issue was 0.0 pass rush. After it got to 26, they quit, which was a team issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, kelchlsm said: This isn't a troll. Im sorry I created an account to discuss a serious issue with this team currently!! Except you aren't discussing anything you said he looks lost without adding any fact as to why. All signs pointed yesterday to Edmund's looks like he is going to shape into a very good player in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 11:42 AM, kelchlsm said: This isn't a troll. Im sorry I created an account to discuss a serious issue with this team currently!! Dunkirk Don said the same thing, God bless his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 11:22 AM, kelchlsm said: He still looks lost What's lost is your marbles. Seriously, you're trolling, right? (I hope) On 9/10/2018 at 11:42 AM, kelchlsm said: This isn't a troll. Im sorry I created an account to discuss a serious issue with this team currently!! Lol There are several "serious" issues with this team currently...Edmunds is NOT one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Stats: How will Tremaine Edmunds' rookie numbers compare to past NFL first-round picks? It’s never easy to predict what could be the final statistical numbers for a running back, wide receiver, tight end or quarterback on offense, though the fantasy gurus make projections every summer. The task is even harder for defensive players, due in part to factors like time on the field, opposing offense they’re facing and scheme. Tremaine Edmunds had an encouraging debut performance for the Bills, despite a very disappointing result on the scoreboard. He logged seven tackles, a pair of pass breakups, a sack and a forced fumble. If this was game one on a bad day, what else might Edmunds have in store for Bills fans in his rookie season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 I personally blame Tremond Edmunds for not catching those deflected passes and running them back for touchdowns Does this fit what a select few are saying in this thread lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I personally blame Tremond Edmunds for not catching those deflected passes and running them back for touchdowns Does this fit what a select few are saying in this thread lol I blame him for global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 10:58 AM, Batman1876 said: I did some stat checking and it turns out there are 10 other guys on the defense plaiyng with him, apparently one player is not solely responsible for stopping the 11 guys on offense. But I'm curious did you see a player in the draft who could have fixed both our offensive line and our WR corps? Because if we could have drafted such a player I'd totally agree with you. Thank you for your in-depth reaseach and tremendous enlightenment! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I personally blame Tremond Edmunds for not catching those deflected passes and running them back for touchdowns Does this fit what a select few are saying in this thread lol I personally blame Tremond Edmunds for that botched Field Goal!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VW82 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) I actually saw Tremaine out and about the other day. He was shopping when all of a sudden these five dogs got off the leash and were running right at him. He threw down his bags and got into an athletic position to try and stop the dogs for their owner. One by one they deked him out and just kept on going, except for the last one who stopped and bit Edmunds's leg after making him fall down. Then TE got mad and he ate the dog! We probably shouldn't have used two draft picks on him. Edited September 15, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelchlsm Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 10:02 AM, kelchlsm said: Is it too early to suggest we wasted draft pick on Edmunds? I haven't heard his name all preseason, or yesterday at all when we gave up 40+ points- Just seems like we kind of wasted a pick on him when we could've used the pick to better ourselves on the line or with our receivers- I was laughed at this- chargers been picking on him all game he looks lost/terrible!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Ok, McD and Fraiser are going to have to scheme up something on defense to hide Edmunds and Miliano's deficiencies. This sitting back in zone is causing both Edmunds and Miliano to be exploited. Giving them man coverage assignments do the same thing. Edited September 16, 2018 by NewEraBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelchlsm Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Edmunds is terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 7:41 PM, ******* said: Yeah he’s young yeah it’s preseason but yuck looks lost Playing way to,close,to LOS we are three yards off getting caught in the surge no room to react on run and to close to line on pass plays to help coverage over middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 7:41 PM, ******* said: Yeah he’s young yeah it’s preseason but yuck looks lost People make actually take you seriously if threw in something positive about anything once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynmisoli Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I understand that rookies needs some time to adjust to the pro game but man this guy looks horrible. He can't cover man to man, can't cover in zone, is a step late in reacting to the run, bites HARD on every play action, fills in the wrong gap constantly, hesitates and ends up in "no man's land", needs help making calls. Why is he even a MLB? He never played the position before and athleticism is best exploited at the OLB position. He reminds me of..... *takes a deep breath*.......Aaron Maybin. Freakish build and athleticism and is the guy who always runs in at the end of a play instead of being the first one to get there. Shows no instincts or anticipation and gets picked on by offenses because of it. A lot of the yards and points given up in the first half were a direct result of his play. The only real positives that I can see with him is that once in a long while he'll flash and make a tackle for loss or like last week the forced fumble. I dunno what we should do though, this coaching staff is stubborn and they're not gong to admit that putting this kid in at MLB was a mistake so I'm guessing that we'll be stuck with him there for the next 3 years if McDermott sticks around for that long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2nd pro game. Still lots to learn. Breathe...breathe... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynmisoli Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 4:29 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: I personally blame Tremond Edmunds for that botched Field Goal!!! I personally blame tremaine edmunds for having no coverage skills and Melvin Gordon giggling as he ran by him on a drag route. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just a rookie guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Pretty sure he's only 20 years old. This is what it looks like when you're forced to start extremely green guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, mynmisoli said: I understand that rookies needs some time to adjust to the pro game but man this guy looks horrible. He can't cover man to man, can't cover in zone, is a step late in reacting to the run, bites HARD on every play action, fills in the wrong gap constantly, hesitates and ends up in "no man's land", needs help making calls. Why is he even a MLB? He never played the position before and athleticism is best exploited at the OLB position. He reminds me of..... *takes a deep breath*.......Aaron Maybin. Freakish build and athleticism and is the guy who always runs in at the end of a play instead of being the first one to get there. Shows no instincts or anticipation and gets picked on by offenses because of it. A lot of the yards and points given up in the first half were a direct result of his play. The only real positives that I can see with him is that once in a long while he'll flash and make a tackle for loss or like last week the forced fumble. I dunno what we should do though, this coaching staff is stubborn and they're not gong to admit that putting this kid in at MLB was a mistake so I'm guessing that we'll be stuck with him there for the next 3 years if McDermott sticks around for that long. The Maybin comparison isn't accurate. Maybin was built off of having a quick first step and in the NFL he very early on clearly proved that what was supposedly his strengths weren't his strengths at an NFL level. Edumonds has the physical tools and you see it on the field. When Edumonds knows where he is supposed to go he closes early and shows off that he has the tools to be able to play at an elite level. Edumonds just hasn't developed the instincts and read ability to take advantage of his physical tools. That will hopefully come with time and coaching. He is very green but those flashes of brilliance give you hope. He just needs to know where he is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I’ll give him a pass for now but things surely aren’t looking good for him right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 So the youngest starting LB in the history of modern NFL looks like the youngest starting LB in the history of modern NFL...SHOCKER! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, mynmisoli said: I understand that rookies needs some time to adjust to the pro game but man this guy looks horrible. He can't cover man to man, can't cover in zone, is a step late in reacting to the run, bites HARD on every play action, fills in the wrong gap constantly, hesitates and ends up in "no man's land", needs help making calls. Why is he even a MLB? He never played the position before and athleticism is best exploited at the OLB position. He reminds me of..... *takes a deep breath*.......Aaron Maybin. Freakish build and athleticism and is the guy who always runs in at the end of a play instead of being the first one to get there. Shows no instincts or anticipation and gets picked on by offenses because of it. A lot of the yards and points given up in the first half were a direct result of his play. The only real positives that I can see with him is that once in a long while he'll flash and make a tackle for loss or like last week the forced fumble. I dunno what we should do though, this coaching staff is stubborn and they're not gong to admit that putting this kid in at MLB was a mistake so I'm guessing that we'll be stuck with him there for the next 3 years if McDermott sticks around for that long. The first half he was absolutely atrocious, and I very rarely bash players so harshly , especially a rookie , but like you said, he was directly responsible for numerous huge plays in the first half that eventually resulted in TDs. The Chargers intentionally exploited him play after play after play. It was at the point where i felt he should have been pulled. At the same time, alot of that is on the coaches for putting him in positions he clearly isn't comfortable in. In the second half though, the whole defense looked different , and i'm very interested to look at what was done with Edmunds specifically. I know McD took over play calling too, but if we can see that defense going forward, this team can be successful. I absolutely loved Allen firing up the defense after the O scored on their first possession in the 2nd half. Back to Edmunds, if he does turn out to be a bust, that'd be a terrible look for Beane, giving up the 65th and 22nd pick to move up 6 spots. But, if he did turn out to be bad at the mike, he's so versatile and physically gifted, he can attempt to play any LB position and DE... But ya, it's at the point where ya gotta almost take him off the field if he's going to be picked on like that. I mean 10/10 in Red zone percentage for our opponents is hard to do for a defense and the MLB plays a big role down there......Maybe Preston had a bigger impact on this defense than we thought??? We're def missing something out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 hours ago, kelchlsm said: Edmunds is terrible I realize that some fans have this really hard time looking past the game that they just watched........ but Edmunds has in fact played TWO NFL games......the 1st one he honestly looked like our best defensive player.....had two pass defense deflections in the first game and made several tackles.. That is the way of it when it comes to rookies......there will be highs and lows.....if you want to sit there and cray about the lows and not give credit for the highs that is your choice but it makes you look foolish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I realize that some fans have this really hard time looking past the game that they just watched........ but Edmunds has in fact played TWO NFL games......the 1st one he honestly looked like our best defensive player.....had two pass defense deflections in the first game and made several tackles.. That is the way of it when it comes to rookies......there will be highs and lows.....if you want to sit there and cray about the lows and not give credit for the highs that is your choice but it makes you look foolish. Rivers attacked TE all throughout the 1st half. Frazier couldn't stop it. He (and the whole D for that matter) looked much better in the 2nd. It will be interesting what happens next week on D! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, mynmisoli said: I understand that rookies needs some time to adjust to the pro game but man this guy looks horrible. He can't cover man to man, can't cover in zone, is a step late in reacting to the run, bites HARD on every play action, fills in the wrong gap constantly, hesitates and ends up in "no man's land", needs help making calls. Why is he even a MLB? He never played the position before and athleticism is best exploited at the OLB position. He reminds me of..... *takes a deep breath*.......Aaron Maybin. Freakish build and athleticism and is the guy who always runs in at the end of a play instead of being the first one to get there. Shows no instincts or anticipation and gets picked on by offenses because of it. A lot of the yards and points given up in the first half were a direct result of his play. The only real positives that I can see with him is that once in a long while he'll flash and make a tackle for loss or like last week the forced fumble. I dunno what we should do though, this coaching staff is stubborn and they're not gong to admit that putting this kid in at MLB was a mistake so I'm guessing that we'll be stuck with him there for the next 3 years if McDermott sticks around for that long. The guy has played 2 games... how the !@#$ can you call anything he does "once in a long while"? If he forces a fumble every other game he's a HOF. What a dumb rambling paragraph of nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: People make actually take you seriously if threw in something positive about anything once in a while. nah.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 6:41 AM, ******* said: Yeah he’s young yeah it’s preseason but yuck looks lost I tend to agree with you but I think there are multiple issues here. 1) The biggest is that i think he is really out of position as an MLB expected to stop the run in a 4-3. To me he looks a lot better as a "twitchy" athlete who could help in the pass rush and still be rangy enough to disrupt in coverage and also in pursuit. A classic "thumper"with great ball instincts to diagnose and attack the ball carrier he is not. He seems more of an OLB to me. 2) He is being force fed a lot in terms of responsibilities (diagnosing and communicating defensive adjustments). That is hard enough as a rookie and even more hard when your natural instincts and strengths are not well matched with what you are being expected to do on the field in your current role. 3) The loss of Preston Brown (who took a home town discount in Cincinnati) necessitated a new MLB --- we had nobody. Perhaps this situation will benefit him long term, but right now he is undergoing the same learning process Allen is, and is not being schemed to play to his natural strengths. I still think the kid is a unique talent, but right now is a bit "square peg, round hole". I wonder if the Bills will be better off moving hims outside next year and getting a more instinctive "traditional"MLB to play inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CamboBill said: I tend to agree with you but I think there are multiple issues here. 1) The biggest is that i think he is really out of position as an MLB expected to stop the run in a 4-3. To me he looks a lot better as a "twitchy" athlete who could help in the pass rush and still be rangy enough to disrupt in coverage and also in pursuit. A classic "thumper"with great ball instincts to diagnose and attack the ball carrier he is not. He seems more of an OLB to me. 2) He is being force fed a lot in terms of responsibilities (diagnosing and communicating defensive adjustments). That is hard enough as a rookie and even more hard when your natural instincts and strengths are not well matched with what you are being expected to do on the field in your current role. 3) The loss of Preston Brown (who took a home town discount in Cincinnati) necessitated a new MLB --- we had nobody. Perhaps this situation will benefit him long term, but right now he is undergoing the same learning process Allen is, and is not being schemed to play to his natural strengths. I still think the kid is a unique talent, but right now is a bit "square peg, round hole". I wonder if the Bills will be better off moving hims outside next year and getting a more instinctive "traditional"MLB to play inside. Strikes me this way too. It's early but his flashes are bright and he could disrupt half a field as OLB. Another tough test this week. Edited September 17, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/15/2018 at 5:40 PM, VW82 said: I actually saw Tremaine out and about the other day. He was shopping when all of a sudden these five dogs got off the leash and were running right at him. He threw down his bags and got into an athletic position to try and stop the dogs for their owner. One by one they deked him out and just kept on going, except for the last one who stopped and bit Edmunds's leg after making him fall down. Then TE got mad and he ate the dog! We probably shouldn't have used two draft picks on him. Dafuq is this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Is it me .. or does it look like they he's too tight to the DL at the snap ... and getting caught in the wash? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Boys..I am really worried here. From my seats yesterday, seemed pretty apparent Rivers would identify #49s responsibility..and attack. lets hope he learns..cause he was BY FAR the worst player on the field yesterday..on both sides of the ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Boys..I am really worried here. From my seats yesterday, seemed pretty apparent Rivers would identify #49s responsibility..and attack. lets hope he learns..cause he was BY FAR the worst player on the field yesterday..on both sides of the ball If Cook is back at 100 percent he might do more damage than Gordon did. Between him coming out of the back field and Thielen finding soft spots in the zone this defense...yikes. Atleast Tre can limit Diggs? Maybe? Was the defense that much better in the 2nd half or did the Chargers get stuck in nuetral after the early lead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Boys..I am really worried here. From my seats yesterday, seemed pretty apparent Rivers would identify #49s responsibility..and attack. lets hope he learns..cause he was BY FAR the worst player on the field yesterday..on both sides of the ball This was what I saw too. The Chargers exposed Edmunds' inability to cover smaller/quicker backs and laid a blue print for every other team we are going to face. Coach Sal was also discussing this and seems to think it is a sign of his inexperience rather than it being because he is too big, but I have my doubts....Edmunds looked so bad I was embarrassed for him, he should not be starting in this league at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Its literally the guys second NFL game. He'll be alright. The doom and gloom crowd is out in full force. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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