Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Let's talk towards the end of the preseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: Just a matter of time imo. Hope I’m wrong, especially with the OL. LG and C (especially if Bodine beatable out groy) is going to get torn up ...certainly hear ya.....not a fan of Castillo....gives me the impression of a "one trick pony" and "it will be MY scheme period"........BUT...like Daboll stepping up saying the OL will not be just ONE scheme but a scheme designed weekly as to what the opposition's tendencies are......take a seat Juan...the NEW sheriff has spoken..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: ?we can't stash AJM or Allen, but why not Peterman? Our coaches may see him as promising, but the league as a whole isn't lining up to snipe up a 5th round pick who set a record for INTs in a half last year. This. McCarron and Allen make the 53. Peterman to the PS. Are folks really thinking that Peterman won’t clear waivers? Even if some team picks him up to be their 3rd QB...no big deal. I’ve never been a big fan of keeping 3 QB’s on the 53. If you lose your top 2 QB’s, your season is over anyway. Plenty of sucky QB’s out there that are looking for work. Need that roster spot for depth at other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: This. McCarron and Allen make the 53. Peterman to the PS. Are folks really thinking that Peterman won’t clear waivers? Even if some team picks him up to be their 3rd QB...no big deal. I’ve never been a big fan of keeping 3 QB’s on the 53. If you lose your top 2 QB’s, your season is over anyway. Plenty of sucky QB’s out there that are looking for work. Need that roster spot for depth at other positions. Ummmm... no our season was not over. FTR we did end up winning the game that Joe Webb played in and did indeed go on to play in a wildcard game - so there is that... Edited August 3, 2018 by cd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...certainly hear ya.....not a fan of Castillo....gives me the impression of a "one trick pony" and "it will be MY scheme period"........BUT...like Daboll stepping up saying the OL will not be just ONE scheme but a scheme designed weekly as to what the opposition's tendencies are......take a seat Juan...the NEW sheriff has spoken..... We should ban “Castillo” from the board. I get nausea when I read it. Hate that man and I don’t hate many. He’s awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just now, NewEra said: We should ban “Castillo” from the board. I get nausea when I read it. Hate that man and I don’t hate many. He’s awful ...my pet..."Nine Juan Juan" to call with an OL emergency...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, /dev/null said: I wouldn't be surprised to see AJMC shipped to Indy if Luck still isn't ready an interesting but not unlikely scenario. Esp. if we can get a 4th or 3rd. Will all depend on how Allen looks in preseason. I'm not in the "Nate Peterman" is the franchise QB camp, but I do believe he stays around longer than McCarron, who may be too expensive to pay after 2 years here. He may find a starting job elsewhere, and Peterman is Allen's backup. I also think Peterman would not clear waivers, he'd be picked up by the Colts or some other QB thin team. Edited August 2, 2018 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 I don't think Peterman would clear waivers, but I do think he'd still be the odd man out. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to fetch a 6th rounder for him to a QB needy team. If Allen is going to be the future, I can't see a reason to carry 3 once you decide on your starter. That's why I'm hoping they give McCarron and Peterman all the snaps they can to make that call and let the other one go. I think the roster spot is too important with our lack of quality starters and injury possibilities with our O-Line and WR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: an interesting but not unlikely scenario. Esp. if we can get a 4th or 3rd. Will all depend on how Allen looks in preseason. I'm not in the "Nate Peterman" is the franchise QB camp, but I do believe he stays around longer than McCarron, who may be too expensive to pay after 2 years here. He may find a starting job elsewhere, and Peterman is Allen's backup. I also think Peterman would not clear waivers, he'd be picked up by the Colts or some other QB thin team. I’d take Brissett over AJM at this point. He’s played better and has had a terrible OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 58 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: It's not idiotic if the 3rd stringer is on the practice squad. Peterman is an ideal candidate for that. It also isn't idiotic if your 3rd guy in camp isn't good enough to ever trust in a real game. If you find out in camp you only have 2 NFL caliber QBs on your team, you don't keep the 3rd guy. Peterman should be fine on the PS. Considering the film on him, I doubt another team would touch him. And, in the highly unlikely event that another team poaches him, so what? In my sad, pessimistic, honest opinion, if both McCarron, and Allen are unavailable to play, the season would be sufficiently screwed that Christian Hackenberg, or Scott Tolzien, or Kellen Clemens, or Mark Sanchez could come in and fail just as spectacularly as Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, cd1 said: Frankly, I think that McDermott is a smart coach. Last year he DID end up having to field a 3rd stringer because Tyrod was out and Peterman sustained a concussion during the Colts game. I don't think he will want to get caught with his proverbial pants down this year. The only reason they had a 3rd active QB was that Joe Webb played him special teams. The "emergency QB" for game day is usually a guy who played QB in HS or maybe a bit in college, and is filling another role on the team. 3 hours ago, /dev/null said: Peterman is eligible for the Practice Squad but would have to clear waivers first. Do you see that as an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Pete said: I think it is idiotic to keep less than 3 QBs on a roster. It's the most important position. What happens if a QB gets hurt? Do you start second string and find a good QB midseason on the waiver wire? You are wise. I agree. Additionally, what are we spending on these guys, 11 million total? yeah, I'll lose a pretty good up back on punts to keep an extra qb around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Unless Peterman turns into something magical during preseason.... Can he still go to the practice squad? Because I would prefer a pro football player on the 53. And really, is ANYONE going to be interested in him? Hell, I'm surprised we still are. Honestly, I thought were keeping him for a camp arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I don't think Peterman would clear waivers, Why not, and what team(s) do you see as claiming him? To my understanding when a player is waived, the claiming team has to put him on the active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Agree with most of this except the part about AJ starting most games this season. No way. Allen will be the man and very possibly from Game 1. Just a question of whether or not he is truly unable to start Game 1 b/c he is too much of a tire fire at that point in time. If he can go, he'll go, and when the other QB options fail early, Allen will go then. Yeah but "sitting and learning" is a myth. No QB develops while "sitting and learning". He will learn by doing. see Aaron Rogers... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 We need the roster spot for a lot of reasons. Peterman will be released very late and then signed to PS methinks. No one is going to put him on their active roster on the eve of the season. If anyone wants to poach him we could still re-sign him if he wants to stay, but I sincerely doubt they do. You're not going to dress three so the spot would be a waste. If one gets hurt you bring him up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why not, and what team(s) do you see as claiming him? To my understanding when a player is waived, the claiming team has to put him on the active roster. Knowing us, the Pats and he’ll be started against us for a win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 With an unproven OL and question mark on how sturdy your QB's are then you keep 3. 37 minutes ago, mead107 said: Yes Best answer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Knowing us, the Pats and he’ll be started against us for a win Ha ha I was just thinking about the answer to my question - who does each team have at QB - and for most the answer to "would Peterman be a clear upgrade?" was "nope...nope...nope..." then I got to the Pats ......YIKES. If we do and they do, may he Matthews/Gillislee them and not Hogan us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Seems like the best time to keep 3 QBs is when you do not have quality depth. This means you are cutting a player who will not make an impact vs keeping a player at the most important position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Where is Joe Webb when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, JaxBills said: Unless Peterman turns into something magical during preseason.... Can he still go to the practice squad? Because I would prefer a pro football player on the 53. And really, is ANYONE going to be interested in him? Hell, I'm surprised we still are. Honestly, I thought were keeping him for a camp arm. Peterman is the camp brain. There's been quite a few guys that had 10+ year careers based on smarts over physical ability. Wouldn't be surprised if we kept him just to help Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I think they will go with three QBs. My take is the 49th player on the team will be a back-up OL/DL that will rarely if ever dress. There is plenty of room to carry three QBs and have the guys that are needed to play dress. My other point is their is little difference between guy #40 and guy # 60 right now. They are mostly replaceable parts that can be jettisoned or brought back if needed. And there will be plenty of other guys cut across the league available for jobs if need be. All that said, I have no problem with going with just AJ and Josh. I would take my chances that Peterman doesn't get signed and he can go to the PS. Just now, Maybe Someday said: Peterman is the camp brain. There's been quite a few guys that had 10+ year careers based on smarts over physical ability. Wouldn't be surprised if we kept him just to help Allen. He can still help from the PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: We need the roster spot for a lot of reasons. Peterman will be released very late and then signed to PS methinks. No one is going to put him on their active roster on the eve of the season. If anyone wants to poach him we could still re-sign him if he wants to stay, but I sincerely doubt they do. You're not going to dress three so the spot would be a waste. If one gets hurt you bring him up. Here ya go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 3 is the tradition. Would Buffalo have made it to 4 SB in a row without QB3 Gale Gilbert? No you say? The Chargers, yes the lowly Chargers, the Bills of the West, made it to the very next SB with Stan freaking Humphires at QB and Gale Gilbert at QB3 after he left Buffalo. Peterman is our Gilbert, or Alex Van Pelt. A guy with the brains to be an NFL QB, but not the physical ability to be an NFL QB. I always wondered what Gilbert, AVP or Edwards could contribute to a QB room if they don't have the skills to be an NFL QB, but have the brains to be an NFL QB, and aren't asked to be the starter. Poor AVP had to be the starter... At best Allen is Kelly, AJ is Frank Reich, and Peterman is Glibert. At best. But yes you carry 3 QB. Edited August 3, 2018 by RocCityRoller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 6 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: I don't think so imo. I think we should carry 3 qbs and put Zay on pup for September and also carry at least 7 wrs. That will give us a month to see how things shake out at both positions. so maybe 8? They won't even carry 7. Especially if they're not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Virgil said: With our relative lack of depth and quality in certain positions, and now that we can’t stash any of our guys on the practice squad, as well as the inability to give Allen any reps if kept as a 3rd stringer.... Is it far fetched to think that either of the other guys don’t make the team? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it was a struggle for a few games last year to field a roster with more than 2 QB’s active. Active, I would guess probably not. On the roster, sure. They might think Peterman would not be plucked if they put him on the taxi squad. If they think that it might make a good way to keep all three. Since they probably think that especially the early part of the year is purely developmental for Allen, I could easily see them keeping all three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 12 hours ago, jr1 said: 2 on active, 1 on practice squad Which one on practice squad...neither QB is going on the practice squad...I think Allen is only one eligible and obviously that's not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Pete said: I think it is idiotic to keep less than 3 QBs on a roster. It's the most important position. What happens if a QB gets hurt? Do you start second string and find a good QB midseason on the waiver wire? I agree and still maintain you have the best avatar on this board. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 46 minutes ago, nucci said: Which one on practice squad...neither QB is going on the practice squad...I think Allen is only one eligible and obviously that's not happening ...I believe Peterman is PS eligible............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 35 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I believe Peterman is PS eligible............ ok, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 correct me if i'm wrong here but, the pats have had brady for 2 decades. do they not generally carry 3 qbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I don't think it's crucial to just have 2. You know the Bills will keep Allen. Whoever wins the QB competition, no player has been so obviously superior to the others, and in particular I don't think there is that much difference between the second and third. At this point, assuming Buffalo goes with AJ McCarron to start (he may be leading the competition if you believe the change in rotation is an indicator) Allen would be OK as your backup. I'm not against keeping a third QB, but I don't think keeping just two is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Yes because currently 2/3 of our QB’s have a total of one year experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Less than half of the NFL teams carried more than 2 QBs last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Less than half of the NFL teams carried more than 2 QBs last year. Heres what I think. Let me know what you think. If McCaron/Peterman starts, I think we keep all 3. If Allen starts, I would think Peterman is a goner. McCaron would be your vet back up. I don’t think the Bills want another scenario like in 2013 when we just had Manuel and Tuel to start the season....2 young and inexperienced QB’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 17 hours ago, Pete said: I think it is idiotic to keep less than 3 QBs on a roster. It's the most important position. What happens if a QB gets hurt? Do you start second string and find a good QB midseason on the waiver wire? Are you saying what happens if the second QB gets hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I think so yes. I think we have to. We had Taylor and Peterman both go down last year and we had our special teams guy taking snaps in the Indy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 17 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Yeah but "sitting and learning" is a myth. No QB develops while "sitting and learning". He will learn by doing. I don't know about that. It's not a guarantee but the sit and learn worked out ok for these guys (to name a few): Carson Palmer, Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Jimmy Garoppolo, Eli Manning, Jared Goff, Phillip Rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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