JoPar_v2 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 34 minutes ago, JackKemp said: All those Bills glory players who made it to the hall went to the ceremony. None of them had a press conference so that the press could watch them do sit ups. None of them pulled out a box of popcorn. None of the Bills greats fake cried about their QB for the press. Certainly none of them threw their QB under the bus after a Superbowl. Did any of them obviously not even try to catch the ball when playing the Falcons in Atlanta? Need I go on? TO is not that great despite his wonderful stats. “Not that great”...ok pal. see this is why there’s no arguing with some of the homers here. Nothing grounded in reality, no desire to look at something from a different perspective, just obstinate blather. no, no Bills player ever also did all those specific things that TO did. That doesn’t mean that they were better teammates, better men than TO. They had their own issues, which are widely known locally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 hours ago, teef said: i was lucky enough to be at the induction of ralph and bruce smith. it was such a fun time, and i always thought what a wonderful weekend it would be for the inductees and their families. I have no idea why anyone wouldn't want to be a part of that. I bet he would "show up" if they presented him with the Keys to the Hall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, dpberr said: TO has always been the one football player that I shouldn't like, but I always have. I suppose it's due in part to the fact that he never had to stand trial (I see you Ray Lewis), was never was convicted of a crime, never suspended for performance enhancing drugs, etc and played hard for every team he was on during his NFL career. I respected that he never dogged it in Buffalo and he played on essentially one good leg in the Super Bowl with the Eagles. He's guilty of a big ego and being super weird. Very good post. I like TO. You cannot say he was not driven to be his best. Whether he was his best is arguable, but he damn sure balled on the field. Much like Richie, TO had some issues, but on the playing field he was awesome. I have issues too, but on my field (job) I'm a bad mofo. I think someone should start an 'All Star Crazys" thread. TO, Richie, OJ, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 hours ago, JackKemp said: How many of you think TO is more worthy than Andre Reed? I say no and Andre wasn’t first ballot. TO is just being TO. That's a bad case of homerism lol. TO is clearly the better WR and at least top 5 all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 ...so the whiny little diva is taking is ball and going home because voters delayed his induction....there was this leaked image of his bust at least..... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so the whiny little diva is taking is ball and going home because voters delayed his induction....there was this leaked image of his bust at least..... Hooray for TO, hooray at last, hooray for TO, he's a horses a$$! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Hooray for TO, hooray at last, hooray for TO, he's a horses a$$! ...seeing nobody wants to hire him as a WR, maybe he runs in the Kentucky Derby next year........ENTRY: Whiny Beotch.......857 to 1 odds...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Good for him. He was a clear first ballot kinda player and they insulted him. He shouldn’t gravel at their feet with appreciation now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Good for him. He was a clear first ballot kinda player and they insulted him. He shouldn’t gravel at their feet with appreciation now. ...um ok.....Thurman Thomas shouldn't have been a 1st ballot guy?......Kramer, Monk and Andre Reed should have had to wait as long as they did?......ever wonder why they do not publish a list of "voters" or perhaps little keyboard cowards that punish guys by making them wait because they were not "warm 'n fuzzy media darlings"?...SMH..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Elite Poster said: If an organization disrespects you, you disrespect them right back. I'm sure most of you will side with the billionaires though. I'd side with billionaire than an Elite Troll. At least a billionaire in NFL did something useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...um ok.....Thurman Thomas shouldn't have been a 1st ballot guy?......Kramer, Monk and Andre Reed should have had to wait as long as they did?......ever wonder why they do not publish a list of "voters" or perhaps little keyboard cowards that punish guys by making them wait because they were not "warm 'n fuzzy media darlings"?...SMH..... I fully respect his talent and effort, but how many teams did he play for? There's a reason for that. No team was hell bent on keeping him. He’s a flake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...um ok.....Thurman Thomas shouldn't have been a 1st ballot guy?......Kramer, Monk and Andre Reed should have had to wait as long as they did?......ever wonder why they do not publish a list of "voters" or perhaps little keyboard cowards that punish guys by making them wait because they were not "warm 'n fuzzy media darlings"?...SMH..... Dude, I’m not gonna argue with you on that. I’m saying that the HoF says their vote is solely based on football. TO is literally one of the top receivers of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I know this is unfair, but I remember TO the most for the (playoff, I’m pretty sure) game with the 49’ers where he dropped everything thrown his way. He broke into tears when he finally caught the game winner. I was surprised they kept going to him. At least, that’s the way I remember it. If you have a problem with this, re-read the first five words. It is honestly what I remember him most for, followed by the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Dude, I’m not gonna argue with you on that. I’m saying that the HoF says their vote is solely based on football. TO is literally one of the top receivers of all time. ...you're a bit smarter than that to buy THAT company line......and I am certainly not diminishing TO's accomplishments between the stripes....his entry was delayed based on voting urinalists' personal hissy fits with his media access...if not, publish their names and votes..why the shroud of secrecy?........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 hours ago, teef said: i was lucky enough to be at the induction of ralph and bruce smith. it was such a fun time, and i always thought what a wonderful weekend it would be for the inductees and their families. I have no idea why anyone wouldn't want to be a part of that. perhaps because he knows they(committee and board of directors) generally do not like him. as reflected in the opinionated voting. Stats folks should love TO ! And he was an amazing player at many points in his career. Don't care whether he goes or not. He authored a very nice and respectful statement. He has his reasons. No Issue here. Why the bile purging from some of you here ? Almost sounds personal from some of you ☺️ 3 hours ago, JackKemp said: I just don't like TO. I had a feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...you're a bit smarter than that to buy THAT company line......and I am certainly not diminishing TO's accomplishments between the stripes....his entry was delayed based on voting urinalists' personal hissy fits with his media access...if not, publish their names and votes..why the shroud of secrecy?........ It also had to do with TO continually trying to come out of retirement and HE STILL IS. I liked TO when he was a Bill but i f you are going to act up (i.e. Kaep) then you need to accept consequences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Typically self-centered. Never wonder why it took this long to acknowledge a great player. Agree. He is a douche. I know some people think the hall should just be a stats and titles fest but to me the personality matters. TO was a douche most of his career and he is still one now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Limeaid said: It also had to do with TO continually trying to come out of retirement and HE STILL IS. I liked TO when he was a Bill but i f you are going to act up (i.e. Kaep) then you need to accept consequences. “Act up”? Really man? 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. He is a douche. I know some people think the hall should just be a stats and titles fest but to me the personality matters. TO was a douche most of his career and he is still one now. More pettiness. Personality may matter to you, and you don’t have a hall of fame vote. Guess what? Those that do have votes have loudly, and repeatedly, said publicly that HOF consideration is performance based. You see now why TO may have a legitimate gripe with these liars? Because if the hall is for the best of the best ON THE FIELD, like they’ve told us, the players, everyone, then icing him for 2 years is pure BS. His football skills were generational and he is one of the very best WR of all time. But yeah, since you don’t like him personally let those lying voters off the hook. That’s pretty douchey too gunner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Elite Poster said: You do realize all the football HOF trustees and officers are random CEOs, Goodell, and team owners. To think the voters are not influenced by the people that run the show is naive. The media machine will use this as an opportunity to say "I told ya so" and those billionaires I referenced will laugh it up. "Elite"?? Not by a long shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Was just at the hall of fame yesterday putting Bills hats on all the Bills busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 He’ll be there. Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Was just at the hall of fame yesterday putting Bills hats on all the Bills busts. Cool! Pics? Edited June 8, 2018 by BUFFALOKIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: this would be PERFECT. It would, but there's no way he could afford that driveway anymore, let alone the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 44 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said: Cool! Pics? I'm not sure how to post them. Says they're too big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Irv said: This action reinforces why he was not voted in earlier. Nuclear Grade Douche Waffle. The Hall of Fame is supposed to be about on field accomplishments, nothing else. His numbers say he's a first ballot guy. He's never been arrested or in any legal trouble. Folks reaction to him is way over the top. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Big Curt said: This is T.O.'s choice to make and I will respect his choices. I guess my opinion is not for just the player. it's for the friends, family and fans of the player. The ceremony is a celebration of this person's career. No one is gonna care if he was a bad teammate and It allowed the player the stage to tell their truth and wrap up his career. I just feel like he's losing an opportunity to express himself and give his story of why he's done and said some of the things he said. I look at this as a missed opportunity, and I think he's ultimately hurting himself and further alienating himself from the NFL family. He'll also lose out on any post career job with the NFL and he'll need the job to pay his financial problems. Maybe the thing is TO doesn't have much in the way of an NFL family (in the way of former teammates who are close to him and would attend) and his own family is....fragmented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said: I'm not sure how to post them. Says they're too big Upload them to imgur and share the links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Is he the first guy who thought he was first ballot, but wasn’t for some reason? How may of them passed on the ceremony? This is largely on him. Stay home, I don’t want to hear you talk about you anymore anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) Can anyone answer... and I'm looking at WEO and Stank Nasty. Why shouldn't he look for a way to monotize his hall of fame introduction? Especially given the way the voters and football has treated him. I'm not saying he's faultless, but I like it. If he can make some money off it, go for it. People look at it like the HOF is doing you a favor by inducting you, but he earned it. And if he took advantage of that platform to to give a speech that touched on real issues you'd all be killing him afterwards. Not saying he would, but he really gets nothing out of it. It's all about that gold jacket and acknowledgment that you're one of the best ever. He got that, he doesn't owe them a free speech. 8 hours ago, Wsam4031 said: oh yea they were brutal! All of them were really selfish. Im sure if they had the media and social media covg we do now a lot more would've come out. Bruce, Jimbo, Thurman, andre all of them. It wasn't until they started changing their attitudes and became more of a team when they started winning. Got news for you buddy, they're all still !@#$s besides Thurman and Bruce. Edit not sure if Bruce and Thurman were ever regarded as !@#$s. I haven't met them so can't speak on that. 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so the whiny little diva is taking is ball and going home because voters delayed his induction....there was this leaked image of his bust at least..... Man that dude has come from so much less... and accomplished so much more than you. Edited June 8, 2018 by Ol Dirty B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Stop being a self absorbed ass . 14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I hope they don't mention him in anyway during the ceremoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) Sacheen Littlefeather still around, and available? Edited June 8, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: “Act up”? Really man? More pettiness. Personality may matter to you, and you don’t have a hall of fame vote. Guess what? Those that do have votes have loudly, and repeatedly, said publicly that HOF consideration is performance based. You see now why TO may have a legitimate gripe with these liars? Because if the hall is for the best of the best ON THE FIELD, like they’ve told us, the players, everyone, then icing him for 2 years is pure BS. His football skills were generational and he is one of the very best WR of all time. But yeah, since you don’t like him personally let those lying voters off the hook. That’s pretty douchey too gunner. The Hall of Fame guidelines say that someone's "contribution as a player" (or coach etc) is what is considered. That does not restrict to "on the field". Those words appear nowhere in the voting guidelines. The distinction as I have always understood it is that the stuff away from football (legal troubles, drugs arrests, behaviour outside of the game) is excluded from your consideration but anything that related to a person as a football player - is he a good teammate? what is he like in the locker room? is he a leader? does he make others around him better? does he contribute to a positive atmosphere with coaches? That all counts. And TO fails by pretty much every one of those measures. EDIT: that isn't to say I don't think he should be in - I do. But to me first ballot guys must check every single box. TO had to wait a couple of years because despite being an absolute dominant player at his position he didn't check all the other boxes. I am not a Hall of Fame voter, obviously, but I would not have voted for TO as a 1st ballot guy. Last year, sure, I'd have voted for him and this year too. I just think first ballot has to be great player on the field and great player in the locker room. Edited June 8, 2018 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitum Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Who cares? HOF stuff in any sport is just silly. It's like actors awards shows, people honoring themselves, it's a bunch of crap. People need to stop aggrandizing athletes, celebrities and politicians etc, it's sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe the thing is TO doesn't have much in the way of an NFL family (in the way of former teammates who are close to him and would attend) and his own family is....fragmented That's an interesting point and may have played into his decision. There's a reason he went to five different teams in his career despite his amazing talent. I think not giving his HOF speech is a missed opportunity. He could show some humility and talk about how he's grown as a person. People by nature are quick to sympathize and forgive, but not accepting the invitation just validates his "me first" attitude that made him a locker room cancer nearly everywhere he went during his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gugny Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 It surprises me that Incognito gets dozens of pages of empathy and adoration, yet T.O., gets slammed on this site. (it doesn't really surprise me at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Gugny said: It surprises me that Incognito gets dozens of pages of empathy and adoration, yet T.O., gets slammed on this site. (it doesn't really surprise me at all) I'm equal opportunities. They are both douches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe the thing is TO doesn't have much in the way of an NFL family (in the way of former teammates who are close to him and would attend) and his own family is....fragmented I think this is a huge point - if you have listened in the past - these guys have a surrogate that stands up and goes over their accomplishments and what makes them Hall of Fame worthy. TO was a selfish prick as a player - so who is standing up making that passionate plea to get him elected. Stats are are a huge part, but it also matters how you were respected as a player and how your play impacted others on the field. A first ballot HOF not only had to be great, but needs great support from others to get the ground swell of support going. The NFL also limits the number of entries and sometimes as in TO’s case there are other worthy people at your position that deserve to be in also. This is TO’s decision and I respect that, but it also totally reinforces the me-ness he displayed as a player and why he did not have the respect as a player he could have gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Everyone he’s asked to inteoduce his speech has turned him down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 41 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I think this is a huge point - if you have listened in the past - these guys have a surrogate that stands up and goes over their accomplishments and what makes them Hall of Fame worthy. TO was a selfish prick as a player - so who is standing up making that passionate plea to get him elected. Stats are are a huge part, but it also matters how you were respected as a player and how your play impacted others on the field. A first ballot HOF not only had to be great, but needs great support from others to get the ground swell of support going. The NFL also limits the number of entries and sometimes as in TO’s case there are other worthy people at your position that deserve to be in also. This is TO’s decision and I respect that, but it also totally reinforces the me-ness he displayed as a player and why he did not have the respect as a player he could have gotten. Jeff Garcia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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