Start Allen from Day 1/ QB competition

[BuffaloBud420]

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

[Laughing Coffin]

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

Edited April 29, 2018 by Laughing Coffin

[joevan]

Start the best player at each position.  Make each player earn their place on the team

[LeGOATski]

I see the logic in doing so, but there's no rush, IMO.

 

Let's give him some time to study the NFL game, hone his technique...and then throw him out there when we play the best pass defense in the league.

[CEN-CAL17]

Just let whoever earns the right to start, earn the right to start. I expect AJ to be tough to beat out.

 

But all things equal.... Start Allen.

[Yeezus]

2 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

 

Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

[colin]

The way i see it is, just like the last 3 years, we are gonna have a run heavy o.  A rook can come in and throw down field off of play action in this type of o.  We sort of hid tyrod and his limits in our o, and wr can do that with allen.  I figure he will start and not make a lot of attempts, but long bombs and deep outs will push the d back and open up the rest of the o

[billsredneck1]

1 minute ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

i sure hope they have the brains to let him sit. i believe he was their target while they were considering a.j.

 

they could not have possibly found a better bridge type....who could turn into pro bowl caliber.

Just now, Yeezus said:

 

Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

how is this schedule brutal? road games to start?...minny and gb 2 in a row ...and the pats twice?

 

if we can get a couple of wins between the ravens/chargers....minny/gb...we could end up going out on a 6-7 game win streak.

we are gonna be the story of the afc this year!

[Epstein's Mother]

I'm sure there will be an open competition for the QB position in camp.  The winner will start game 1.

[Laughing Coffin]

3 minutes ago, Yeezus said:

 

Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

5-6 wins would be good for the franchise, we can get a top WR or OL prospect (also we love/night still need CB and Greedy Williams out of LSU is going to be great) round 1 and draft our future RB round 2/3

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

 

That's going to be a Real Interesting QB room they got goin' on in Cleveland.

Real Interesting.

I would love to be a fly on that wallpaper.

 

So what is the analysis on Allen?

1) sky high physical gifts

2) spotty accuracy, said to be due to spotty footwork

3) spotty decison making under strong pressue

 

Doesn't sound to me like a guy who should start Day 1, not if you want to have a prayer of getting any footwork changes engrained into his muscle memory

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

 

 

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he starts.

 

The Panthers started Cam Newton and he set a rookie passing record in the season opener so if they think Allen is ready I wouldn't put it beyond them to start Allen if he has a good buildup to the season.

 

I just don't like the personnel the Bills have to support him even if they plan to be hyper-conservative.............and starting out with 5 of the first 7 on the road would be extra brutal for a young QB behind an OL in flux.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

 

...just say no....minis, OTA's, TC & pre-season will tell the tale....if he wins out by a wide margin, McBeane/McD/McDaboll have a decision to make.....if it is marginal, error of the safe side and let 'em sit.....pay is the same..........

[mikemac2001]

The schedule was built for us to move to a rookie qb At week 10 during the bye gives him 2 weeks to prepare and st that point we know if we have a shot at playoffs 

[billspro]

10 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Just let whoever earns the right to start, earn the right to start. I expect AJ to be tough to beat out.

 

But all things equal.... Start Allen.

 

This ^

[Kelly the Dog]

I say start him day one. Make him win it in practice but he should be able to. If he starts day one, McDermott, Daboll, Cully and AJ will all be working their ass off to teach him the game and what to expect. If he sits he just watched and the coaches spend 80-90% of their time on AJ

[JMF2006]

I hope its a fair 3 way competition.

 

No one should be handed the job.

[Roundybout]

If he wins it, absolutely. Otherwise, no. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

12 minutes ago, Yeezus said:

 

Unless AJ turns into a pro bowl QB he isn't sitting a whole year. our schedule is brutal this year and I doubt we win more than 5-6 games. 

I think we can win 8-10. This Defense is going to be really good. Top 10, maybe Top5.   Special Teams is solid, we have a great kicker and still have some playmakers on offense. If the O-Line can gel and hold up and Daboll calls good plays to keep teams second guessing, we can win. We also have solid coaching which can overcome talent deficiencies, especially when we have such good athletes on the field.

[Boatdrinks]

I saw an interview with Jordan Palmer during a pro day ( Darnold ?). He said he believes all QBs would benefit from backing up their first year. Obviously various external factors mean this doesn't happen often. But I'd be inclined to agree with him. I don't think Allen will sit the whole year, but wouldn't be surprised if McCarron starts through week 8 or so. It's around the time of the bye, and if the teams playoff chances are sunk it doesn't make sense not to play Allen. If the coaches feel he is ready. 

[Cruiserplayer]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/29/brandon-beane-on-josh-allen-if-he-wins-starting-job-he-wins-it/ 

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

The schedule was built for us to move to a rookie qb At week 10 during the bye gives him 2 weeks to prepare and st that point we know if we have a shot at playoffs 

 

The exact week could be debated but you make a good point.

Like I said in the other thread starting Allen the 1st 4 weeks is not a good idea.

Ravens, Chargers and Vikings are among the best defenses in the league.

The combine 2017 defensive passing stats are like this.

48 TD allowed.

54 INT's

121 Sacks

 

I can see already most posters want him to start if he looks good in camp and preseason.

Preseason is not what he will see in Baltimore, Minnesota and LA Chargers (in Buffalo).

 

Don't do it McDermott.

[jethro_tull]

start him when he is ready.  he only has (2) seasons of experience.  putting a QB in when he isn't ready can derail his whole career.  

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

The exact week could be debated but you make a good point.

Like I said in the other thread starting Allen the 1st 4 weeks is not a good idea.

Ravens, Chargers and Vikings are among the best defenses in the league.

The combine 2017 defensive passing stats are like this.

48 TD allowed.

54 INT's

121 Sacks

 

I can see already most posters want him to start if he looks good in camp and preseason.

Preseason is not what he will see in Baltimore, Minnesota and LA Chargers (in Buffalo).

 

Don't do it McDermott.

Most coaches, especially defensive ones are not inclined to start a rookie on opening day. Fans may want it, but probably not McD. Allen would have to be obviously superior in most every area to see the field that early. 

[MiltonWaddams]

We can't use the Wentz/Goff/Wilson model with Allen. He's far too raw. No matter how good he looks in TC, they have to let him sit at least half a season and see the game, picking up its nuances and really settling into his mechanics and footwork. I want greatness, but he needs teaching and not throwing him to the wolves is the right call.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

start him when he is ready.  he only has (2) seasons of experience.  putting a QB in when he isn't ready can derail his whole career.  

I would argue that it can quicken his demise, and kill his confidence, but that player wasn't going to have the requisite mental capacity or toughness to excel in the first place. If a QB is looking over his shoulder because he thinks the backup may replace him soon he probably shouldn't be out there anyway. 

 

If AJ starts this team goes nowhere in all likelihood. And Josh doesn't learn all he could be learning. 

[Putin]

26 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

Actually it wouldn’t surprise me if Mayfield beats Tyrod , not sure about  THE Darnold , 

Allen coming from a small school to NFL the speed of the game is on another level ,  and the most important IMO is the OL  , we can’t have them perform like they did last year in LA for Peterman 

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Most coaches, especially defensive ones are not inclined to start a rookie on opening day. Fans may want it, but probably not McD. Allen would have to be obviously superior in most every area to see the field that early. 

 

Sure, if he looking like Andrew Luck did his 1st preseason, maybe.

I listened to Beane when he said we won't rush him but................he had a look like he probably will not start.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Putin said:

Actually it wouldn’t surprise me if Mayfield beats Tyrod , not sure about  THE Darnold , 

Allen coming from a small school to NFL the speed of the game is on another level ,  and the most important IMO is the OL  , we can’t have them perform like they did last year in LA for Peterman 

That's the one thing he's used to. Getting pressure immediately. His OL was godawful. 

[Albwan]

I hope they dont ...this board will be insufferable with all the I TOLD YOU SO 
GET TT BACK HERE RIGHT NOW OR IM NOT BEING A BILLS FAN ANYMORE! posts

if they don't win 63-0 right away

[Julio Hopkins]

If he's as bad as he was on Wyoming, then starting him would probably be the worst thing they could do.  

Edited April 29, 2018 by Julio Hopkins

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

If Allen beats out Peterman/McCarron cleanly he'll be the starter but like Beane said in the presser he's way behind the other 2 already so it will be all up to Allen, how well he's able to adapt, learn and process everything that he will be given and make it work on the field with reps. I cannot wait to go watch him in training camp, I hear it's a hell of a lot of fun watching him throw 60 yarders effortlessly.

[peterpan]

Allen should start day one or after game 4.  Any later is scary to me.  

 

You can bet your butt Rosen is starting day 1

[Bobby Hooks]

If he earns the job he’ll start. If not he’ll sit. Why would you want to force him out there if he’s not ready? 

 

Thats the opposite of what you you should do with a raw guy like Allen. 

[Putin]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

That's the one thing he's used to. Getting pressure immediately. His OL was godawful. 

I’m far from being an expert on this whole subject , but I think it would make sense before he steps on the field  #1- he has decent protection ( OL ) 

#2- maybe another weapon or two  , a little more speed on the outside , and of course it wouldn’t hurt to have a good reliable TE , am I asking for a little too much ?

 

[BBillsWestCoast]

NO  WAY   IN   HELL         WILL  HE  START  DAY 1 !

 

I implore the Bills to sit him until we have a deep threat WR and a solid Offensive line. Teams will Blitz this kid ALL DAY!

 

David Carr YEAR 1

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2002	23	HOU	QB	8	16	16	4-12-0	233	444	52.5	2592	9	2.0	15	3.4	81	5.8	4.7	11.1	162.0	62.8		76	411	4.19	3.24	14.6	2	3	5

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:

If he earns the job he’ll start. If not he’ll sit. Why would you want to force him out there if he’s not ready? 

 

Thats the opposite of what you you should do with a raw guy like Allen. 

 

 

...should be careful with that "voice of reason stuff" 'round these parts unless your fox hole is deep and you're wearing a kevlar vest.......why of course this gang is out to save their collective skin and jobs by starting the kid to justify the pick, right (COUGH/CHOKE)"?.......after all, the FIRST draft of McBeane and his staff of 17+ along with McD & McDaboll constitutes a CAREER in TBD circles, right?......SMH.....

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Allen should start day one or after game 4.  Any later is scary to me.  

 

You can bet your butt Rosen is starting day 1

Goff started in week 9. Rosen will start on day 1 because Bradford will already be injured. 

[Rocky Landing]

Starting a rookie QB right out of the box is like putting a new V8 engine in your car, and red-lining it on its first start. It may end up fine, but it's also a good way of damaging a brand new engine.

26 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That's the one thing he's used to. Getting pressure immediately. His OL was godawful. 

But, so were a lot of the defenses they were playing, no? 

 

[Andy1]

They need to start him when HE is ready. After his footwork has been corrected, after he has a firm knowledge of the playbook, after he has developed chemistry with his receivers and when the O line play is stable. That is when he will have the best chance for success.