Start Allen from Day 1/ QB competition

[xRUSHx]

Sorry I don't agree. Allen needs to sit awhile IMO he far from ready. 

 

IMO McC will be the starter and Peterman will back him up. Once Allen moves up to backup McC I think it will only be for reps so if AJ goes down for some reason IMO Peterman will jump over Allen and take over as the starter to finish the season or until AJ returns. IMO Allen will sit all year and fight for the starter roll in 2019 when he will be more ready for it and this team has more to offer him as in protection and play makers. To tell you the truth IMO I can see this team not winning much this season and having a very good draft pick next draft to add to this drafts building for the future where in the long run will pay off that much more then a lucky wild card IMO. IMO McC will be traded next season and Peterman will be the career backup here his entire contract and through his next. IMO the Allen era will not start till 2019.

Edited April 29, 2018 by xRUSHx

[klos63]

9 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Sorry I don't agree. Allen needs to sit awhile IMO he far from ready. 

 

IMO McC will be the starter and Peterman will back him up. Once Allen moves up to backup McC I think it will only be for reps so if AJ goes down for some reason IMO Peterman will jump over Allen and take over as the starter to finish the season or until AJ returns. IMO Allen will sit all year and fight for the starter roll in 2019 when he will be more ready for it and this team has more to offer him as in protection and play makers. To tell you the truth IMO I can see this team not winning much this season and having a very good draft pick next draft to add to this drafts building for the future where in the long run will pay off that much more then a lucky wild card IMO. IMO McC will be traded next season and Peterman will be the career backup here his entire contract and through his next. IMO the Allen era will not start till 2019.

So just to clarify, this comment by you is 'your opinion'?

[Patrick Duffy]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

Didn't feel like reading all through the thread, but IMO, it will all come down to camp and preseason. Which ever QB shows the best in camp will get the start. If Allen doesn't look ready in camp you can best believe they will not put him out there just yet. So basically that is it.

[greeneblitz]

hopefully he plays well in camp, I do believe they will give him every opportunity to win the job, they should all get equal reps to begin

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Didn't feel like reading all through the thread, but IMO, it will all come down to camp and preseason. Which ever QB shows the best in camp will get the start. If Allen doesn't look ready in camp you can best believe they will not put him out there just yet. So basically that is it.

Simple really. 

 

He improved his mechanics between the end of his season and the combine, atleast that is what has been said. I think fans that are down on Allen will quickly be impressed by how natural of a thrower he is. We haven’t seen that around these parts in awhile.

 

Learning the pro game will take time but he seems dedicated towards the craft so camp and preseason will be fun. It’s a good situation, someone needs to push AJ. If Allen is taking this as serious as all his interviews indicate I’d put money on him beating out AJ. 

 

Playing half speed in preseason games is going to allow him to shine early on in the process and AJ won’t last long after that. 

 

Just my feelings on it.

[Inigo Montoya]

I haven't read the entire thread so I apologize if I am repeating what has already been posted above. 

 

I have been saying repeatedly in the lead up to the draft that what's just as important as selecting the right QB in the draft, was putting that QB in a position to succeed.  There are probably dozens of QB prospects who have washed out of the league who could have been successful if they had gone to a different team with different coaches. That's what I worry about with Allen. 

 

If Allen starts this year, is he stepping into a situation that will hurt his development more than the game day experience will help him?  Look at the disastrous Peterman fiasco last year.  I don't think he will ever be the same.  It would be nice if we had a better supporting cast around Allen before he steps on the field.  Playing with confidence at the QB position is vital.  Going out there Sunday after Sunday and getting crushed is not going to help him develop.

 

Everyone talks about how great the Bill's Mafia is, but as anyone who frequents this board knows, there are a lot of Mafioso who can also be callous jerks, and after the controversy surrounding his selection this year, you know there will be a small, but very loud group of Bill's supporters who will take every opportunity to bash Allen mercilessly.  Unfortunately, I think a lot of our local sport's media are in that hater group.

 

Let's put a roster around Allen that will support him, not a roster that he will need to carry.  Like most here, I think next year's roster will be much stronger after a year of all of our rookies getting some playing time, another draft class of talent coming in, and key free agent acquisitions.  Most importantly, it will give Allen a chance to continue working on his mechanics, learn the play book, learn how to prepare for Sundays, and hopefully be able to experience some success when he finally does hit the field.

 

We have invested a lot to get Allen, now we need to do everything we can as a franchise to maximize his chance to succeed, and I think that means sitting for a while and giving him time to work on his game before he is thrown out there.

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

Not to mention Allen did play in a pro system in school

[Domdab99]

If he wins the job, start him. No point in babying him. Best experience is experience. 

[3rdand12]

51 minutes ago, klos63 said:

So just to clarify, this comment by you is 'your opinion'?

certainly trends that way.

 

[John from Riverside]

They should handle him just like Mahonmes was handled

[3rdand12]

47 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

hopefully he plays well in camp, I do believe they will give him every opportunity to win the job, they should all get equal reps to begin

I hope AJ nails it and forces the Kid to sit and learn. seems like he has some knowledge to absorb before the Wolves. Best case scenario for my thinking.

and yes, nail that O line down quickly.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

They should handle him just like Mahonmes was handled

Sit him for a season then let him complete with AJ for the starting job. 

Edited April 29, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[3rdand12]

24 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

If he wins the job, start him. No point in babying him. Best experience is experience. 

maybe in the real world. Smart kid ,should ramp up quick though !

[klos63]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They should handle him just like Mahonmes was handled

But KC had a quality starter in Smith and they were a playoff team. They didn't need to start Mahomes to be competitive.

[John from Riverside]

And last year we did not make the playoffs because of our passing attack which was abysmal 

 

i think this kid coukd be special but he has mechanics issues to work out on top of being a rookie

 

if we want to be competitive the. Play the vet to start and bring josh along slowly let the nfl game slow down for him a little bit

[Big Blitz]

I just watched every pass from 7 games this season.  

 

He was a one man show and I feel a helluva lot better about this.  Hyped.   Really hyped.  

 

He's going to start.  Day 1.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I'm torn on this, my belief is that Allen is going to look really good in training camp and preseason. It will be intoxicating watching him throw, making plays with his athleticism, and he just seems so charismatic. McBeane drafted him to be the leader and face of the franchise. Having said all that, any QB, especially one from a small school like Wyoming, would benefit from watching and learning for a time. It will be quite interesting to watch training camp develop for the QBs. I hope whatever they decide is in the best interest of his development, and I trust it will be.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

No

 

 

[Augie]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

 

That could not possible be less relevant. Mayfield and Darnold are not Allen. We have the highest ceiling guy, who also has the lowest floor. You want to mess with that? I don’t. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

I'm torn on this, my belief is that Allen is going to look really good in training camp and preseason. It will be intoxicating watching him throw, making plays with his athleticism, and he just seems so charismatic. McBeane drafted him to be the leader and face of the franchise. Having said all that, any QB, especially one from a small school like Wyoming, would benefit from watching and learning for a time. It will be quite interesting to watch training camp develop for the QBs. I hope whatever they decide is in the best interest of his development, and I trust it will be.

I basically agree with advocates for the take it slow approach, but I think you're right in your surmise that folks are going to be surprised at how much talent this kid has. 

[No Cease Fires]

I thank that unless Allen is terrible in camp he's going to win the job outright. It doesn't make much sense to sit him just for the sake of sitting him. If he shows he's better than the rest of the crop (which he will) then start him. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I basically agree with advocates for the take it slow approach, but I think you're right in your surmise that folks are going to be surprised at how much talent this kid has. 

They are going to see things this kid can do, that they haven't seen around here in a long, long time.

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, No Cease Fires said:

I thank that unless Allen is terrible in camp he's going to win the job outright. It doesn't make much sense to sit him just for the sake of sitting him. If he shows he's better than the rest of the crop (which he will) then start him. 

Training camp through pre-season, teams don't game plan and you face vanilla defence.  Allen needs signifcant work, though he has tremendous talent and upside.  Though McCarron is not Alex Smith, I think Allen would benefit from a Mahomes-like redshirt year.  Furthermore, I'd prefer we got our o-line and wr corps upgraded before throwing a rookie to the wolves.  You don't want to David Carr the fella.

[Wayne Arnold]

The right play is to start the winner between McCarron and Peterman. See how things go halfway through the year and how Allen is developing in practice and in the film room. If Allen is ready, then let him start the last 4-8 games in the season. If he's not ready or if McCarron/Peterman is playing too good to be replaced (best case scenario) then keep his redshirt for the remainder of the season.

 

The best thing about this 2018 season is that there's no pressure. It's a development year, building for a run in 2019 and beyond.

[No Cease Fires]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Training camp through pre-season, teams don't game plan and you face vanilla defence.  Allen needs signifcant work, though he has tremendous talent and upside.  Though McCarron is not Alex Smith, I think Allen would benefit from a Mahomes-like redshirt year.  Furthermore, I'd prefer we got our o-line and wr corps upgraded before throwing a rookie to the wolves.  You don't want to David Carr the fella.

 

Allen might benefit from sitting but he might benefit from live bullets, too. He's a tough, smart kid and if a rough start ruins his entire career then maybe he was never going to be anything anyway. If McCarron beats him out for the job, great, but I don't want the Bills to be TOO conservative with handling their first rounder. 

[Kelly the Dog]

If AJ starts, Shady will be mostly worthless and wasted. Teams will load up the box and dare him to beat us down the field and he won't be able to for several reasons. Only the monster arm and threat of Allen will back them off.

[RollBillsRoll]

25 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I basically agree with advocates for the take it slow approach, but I think you're right in your surmise that folks are going to be surprised at how much talent this kid has. 

Based on what exactly?  I've watched several of his games from Wyoming. What i saw was a guy that NOT ONE major college program thought he was good enough to offer a scholarship coming out of juco. 

 

Also a guy who played against VERY FEW defensive players with nfl talent,  compared to those who play in a power 5 conference. How many nfl caliber corners does he see at Wyoming?

 

I like the guys measurable s, he seems like a good kid,  and may shock the world, but there is nothing on film that is awe inspiring. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

If AJ starts, Shady will be mostly worthless and wasted. Teams will load up the box and dare him to beat us down the field and he won't be able to for several reasons. Only the monster arm and threat of Allen will back them off.

How is that any different than the past 3 seasons???

 

Defenses were saying “make Tyrod a QB”.   

 Any form of a passing game will help.  

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

How is that any different than the past 3 seasons???

 

Defenses were saying “make Tyrod a QB”.   

 Any form of a passing game will help.  

They werent putting 8-9 in the box at all. And when they did it wasnt to shut down Shady, it was to have a spy on Tyrod to watch him. Shady had two great seasons because Tyrod was such a threat to both run, scramble and throw deep. AJ does none of those.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

27 minutes ago, RollBillsRoll said:

Based on what exactly?  I've watched several of his games from Wyoming. What i saw was a guy that NOT ONE major college program thought he was good enough to offer a scholarship coming out of juco. 

 

Also a guy who played against VERY FEW defensive players with nfl talent,  compared to those who play in a power 5 conference. How many nfl caliber corners does he see at Wyoming?

 

I like the guys measurable s, he seems like a good kid,  and may shock the world, but there is nothing on film that is awe inspiring. 

Alot of NFL teams apparently saw something good.

[Spielman]

7 hours ago, Laughing Coffin said:

You expect wrong, no way is mayfield starting over Tyrod.  Darnold might start for the Jets.  

Wanting allen to start day 1 is asinine and irresponsible.

 

sit him a year, next offseason and draft get offense early and often to build around him

Mayfield will start day 1.   No doubt. 

[No Cease Fires]

My prediction is: Darnold will sit. Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen will start.

[RollBillsRoll]

16 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

Alot of NFL teams apparently saw something good.

Agreed. That's what will be interesting to watch unfold... who got it more right,  60 + college recruiting departments,  or the NFL experts. 

[xRUSHx]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

So just to clarify, this comment by you is 'your opinion'?

Yeah man, haha

[The Frankish Reich]

No way he sits for a year unless somehow McCarron leads the Bills to an 8-2 start or something.  I'm going to predict we see him no later than Game 9, probably a few games earlier. Today's CBA means 4 years of team control with a decision on a pricey 5th year option right after that - there's no redshirt years anymore.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

They werent putting 8-9 in the box at all. And when they did it wasnt to shut down Shady, it was to have a spy on Tyrod to watch him. Shady had two great seasons because Tyrod was such a threat to both run, scramble and throw deep. AJ does none of those.

We don’t know what AJ can or can’t do yet.    

 

I have a strong hunch that he will be better than Tyrod “running” the Bills offense.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

7 minutes ago, RollBillsRoll said:

Agreed. That's what will be interesting to watch unfold... who got it more right,  60 + college recruiting departments,  or the NFL experts. 

Pretty sure it will be the NFL guys.

[Dr.Sack]

McCarron is better than Allen. He will have to take the job from him. 

[The_Dude]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

 

You expect Cleveland and the NYJ to do what they’ve said they’re not doing? 

 

Look, there’s no one way to bake this cake. If he starts he starts. If not — fine. We’ll see him next year. 

[Last Guy on the Bench]

37 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No way he sits for a year unless somehow McCarron leads the Bills to an 8-2 start or something.  I'm going to predict we see him no later than Game 9, probably a few games earlier. Today's CBA means 4 years of team control with a decision on a pricey 5th year option right after that - there's no redshirt years anymore.

That's where I land. I don't think he starts right away. But he will at some point, unless McCarron is really on a roll. Not holding my breath. Given our brutal road schedule early, probably the best plan is to let McCarron weather that storm, and then, if Josh is making good progress with the offense mentally, get him in there - somewhere in mid-season.