Start Allen from Day 1/ QB competition

[26CornerBlitz]

38 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True it wasn't the plan prior to the draft.  But again, it wasn't a large investment on their part and he wasn't considered a long-term solution, so benching him wasn't a big deal.

 

 

You lost it right there.  They a) were never 1st overall picks, b) never started more than a season's worth of games, and c) haven't been in the league for years.   But I'll take bets on Rosen not starting the season for the Cards, barring injury to Bradford.

 

Who cares? Jemarcus Russell was too.  Irrelevant point.

Edited May 1, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Doc]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Sounds a little like Allen and McCarron if you ask me.

 

Yup.  I could see them starting Allen if the competition is close.

[Epstein's Mother]

10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Jake Locker

D Carr

Harrington

RG III

 

 

I've acknowledged Carr and Harrington already as I'm sure you've read.  Locker and RGIII are vastly more complicated examples.  Locker wasn't asked to start immediately and didn't actually see playing time until Matt Hasselbeck was hurt.  RGIII started immediately and was great but never the same after his injury.

[Kelly the Dog]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Because - maybe, just maybe the Bills FO expects the 5th rounder to be the backup for a while.   

 

Yeah, I get it you and many others don't want him here.  As a starter he sucked, as a fill in he wasn't that bad. 

 

Oh, please don't say the playoff game because the Hero to many, TT also had an INT, a RAT of 27.2 and a QBR of 44.2 and led the offense to 3 whole points 

It took 4 horrible games in a row for McDermott to make that bad call to put in Nate.    I do not think he's ready to pull that stunt all too soon.  

 

They have that in AJ. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

They have that in AJ. 

In 3 years AJ will cost too much.  Nate is still on the cheap for another 2 years 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Kelly the Dog reacted to this   -  See I knew I could make you laugh 

[Kelly the Dog]

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Kelly the Dog reacted to this   -  See I knew I could make you laugh 

Only because it was such a dumb answer.

 

McDermott to Beane: "But we should play Peterman, AJ will be more expensive in three years."

Beane to Mcdermott: "In three !@#$ing years?! I warned you about Peterman. You're fired."

[Alphadawg7]

On 4/29/2018 at 9:44 AM, BuffaloBud420 said:

I expect Cleveland, NY Jets to do the same with their guys. There is going to be growing pains, no matter if you start him now or a year from now. You need in game experience. These guys are top ten picks and you draft someone that high to play.

 

Peyton Manning, John Elway, Steve Young (who sat behind Montana to "develop"), Troy Aikman, Andrew Luck, etc. All had bad first years, if it goes that way for Allen it's no big deal.

 

McCarron and Peterman are not good enough to not throw Allen out there right away.

 

This post is way off IMO.

1. You dont know if AJ is good or bad yet, so to say he good enough is way premature.  He very well may be a good QB, he hasn't had his shot.  By no means does he have the job locked down, and Beane only confirmed this when he said he wont rule out Allen winning the job.  But to rule him out before they suit up is premature to say the least.
2. You can cite as many legends as you want as examples of guys who started early, stunk, and got great.  But there are about 50 times more examples of guys who started early and never over came those struggles to reach their potential.  There is no denying that having any young QB sit and learn the game more before being thrust into the lineup is good for their development.  
3. Allen is a guy they want to bring along slow and make sure he is ready.  They will not feel pressure to start him before he is ready, nor should they.

Bottom line is simple:  Allen, AJ and even Nate will all be battling for the day 1 starting gig in a wide open QB competition.  Its technically AJ's job to lose right now before the balls are in the air, but by no means is he locked in as the starter and it will be an open competition because we dont have a proven starter on the roster, just a guy with potential in AJ, our 2nd year long shot project NP, and of course our new shiny rookie Allen.  

 

Cleveland is absolutely starting TT over Baker unless Baker dramatically outplays TT in preseason.  Even if they are close, they will start TT at least early in the season just to get Baker some more time to learn the game.  He would have to dramatically beat out TT to start week 1.  Not to mention, Cleveland invested a valuable pick in TT for just this reason.  Jets are also 100% starting McCown week 1 unless Darnold dramatically beats him out.  Both have declared the vets the locked in starters, so it would take a significant performance by Baker and Darnold to change that similar to how Wilson shocked everyone in Seattle and beat out Flynn and Jackson to start week 1.  I do expect both guys could take those jobs over in season next year, but they more than likely will start early in the season.

[RollBillsRoll]

A couple things that don't get mentioned very often in the discussion of raw physical talent and football IQ, How do players respond under the pressure of the big stage? They 100% know how AJMac responds to that pressure, and possibly have a good idea about Peterman:

 

- People forget AJ all but had a 4th quarter comeback playoff victory vs. the Steelers (until a fumble and couple of bonehead plays by Burfict and Pacman Jones)

-In Alabama the 3 most important people are the governor, the coach at Alabama, and the QB at Alabama....not necessarily in that order...his entire life is under a microscope.

-AJMac spent college getting cheered, and sometimes booed, by crowds of 100k plus. You gotta have some testicular fortitude to perform on that stage.

 

I think the powers that be have to take into consideration that an inexperienced QB from a small school may need some time to adjust to the biggest stage in sports.  He has never had 80k people cheer for him or boo him,  he has  never thrown a ball against NFL caliber corners with NFL monster defensive linemen barreling down on him....It may be inconsequential, but it could also give AJ a mental edge in the upcoming competition...

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, RollBillsRoll said:

- People forget AJ all but had a 4th quarter comeback playoff victory vs. the Steelers (until a fumble and couple of bonehead plays by Burfict and Pacman Jones)

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[RollBillsRoll]

2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Greed, but That's not the point.  The point is that he has been in the situation and performed well in a clutch situation...which the other two have not...could give him an edge is all I'm saying ...

Edited May 1, 2018 by RollBillsRoll

[26CornerBlitz]

Making the Case for Josh Allen to Start for Bills in Week 1

On the most recent BillsWire podcast, I threw out the idea of Josh Allen starting Week 1, rebutting the notion that Allen is a project prospect.

 

Without having thrown a single pass in a Buffalo Bills’ uniform yet, the idea of starting Allen in Baltimore Sept. 9 is a risky proposition for a lot of people. However, let’s entertain the idea anyway because it might not seem as far-fetched as you think.

 

Most believe free agent acquisition A.J. McCarron is the logical guy to open up the season as the starter. Conservative and realistic outsiders say Allen should sit—at least to start.

 

Throwing the rookie signal caller on the field too early is an understandable fear for fans, considering coach Sean McDermott unconventionally benched Tyrod Taylor midway through the 2017 season in favor of rookie backup, Nathan Peterman. We all know how that went.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I believe Allen starting would be best for his own development, but I'm starting to think it will be week 5, not week 1.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I believe Allen starting would be best for his own development, but I'm starting to think it will be week 5, not week 1.

 

Why week 5? Avoid the tough schedule to begin the season?

[Lurker]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

We all know how that went.

 

Exactly...

[jr1]

start him and run the ball a lot to take the pressure off 

[Punching Bag]

Very dislike websites which need to break each thought on it to a different page to get more ads with automatic videos starting (it is interesting that browsers used to have controls to prevent videos automatically or videos entirely but those are gone now).  If I am not going to click on ad on first page and I am not going to click on ads on subsequent pages.

 

Regarding starting him I think they should prepare packages for Allen to play in and have him play a series when the coaching staff thinks it is a good time based on field position, score, defense, etc but NOT start him game 1.  Make sure it is clear it is not a benching of AJ McCarron but a way to get most out of team.  But at no time should they announce this or show such plays during open practices.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Because AJ McCarron isn't very good. 

 

The prosecution rests m'Lord. 

[Buffalo86]

If there's such a thing as ruining a QB by starting him too soon, Allen's rawness would seem to make him a prime candidate.  Then again, he's used to having unblocked defenders harass him on every play, so there's that.  As for the other guys, I don't consider it a given that McCarron starts over Peterman.

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, jr1 said:

start him and run the ball a lot to take the pressure off 

 

When they put 53 in the box (well, that’s how it will feel), I’d rather wait.

 

There’s really no telling what is best until he gets into camp and they see how he responds. My inclination is to wait, and wait, and wait, but if he is ready you go with it. Time and coaching instincts will tell. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Everyone has an opinion on if he should start or sit. Unfortunately, none of us know what's TRULY in his best interest and would aide his development the best.

 

For every case of "Yea well Rodgers sat and turned out well" I can throw a "Yea well Russell Wilson never sat".

 

What it simply comes down to in my opinion is...what way does Josh Allen learn the best? Is he the type of learner that can watch others, ask questions and absorb it all in? Is he the kind of,guy that has to feel the moment, get his hands in the dough so to speak and figure it out that way? 

 

That said, my opinion is this. We are a run first team (no matter who is QB) that should have a solid defense. Whoever is the QB to start the season is going to be masked to some extent. If he is the kind of guy that can learn by doing, let him do it. 

Edited May 7, 2018 by No Place To Hyde

[BuffaloHokie13]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Why week 5? Avoid the tough schedule to begin the season?

 Partially that, avoid the road games at Minny & GB, but also I think at home vs. Tennessee is probably the easiest place to begin on the schedule

[Augie]

I’m definitely willing to suffer this season if it’s best long term. Be cautious! 

[jethro_tull]

This could easily go the way of the Chicago Bears season last year where they signed "veteran" QB Mike Glennon to be the interim starter until Mitch Trubisky was ready.  

Trubisky had limited college experience (31 games) slightly more than Allen (27 games).  

Glennon was awful (not all his fault) and was booted in favor of Trubisky week 4.  

In other words, AJ McCarron could easily wind up making the case for Allen to start.  

[Punching Bag]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

If there's such a thing as ruining a QB by starting him too soon, Allen's rawness would seem to make him a prime candidate.  Then again, he's used to having unblocked defenders harass him on every play, so there's that.  As for the other guys, I don't consider it a given that McCarron starts over Peterman.

 

It is a possibility. Bills might be attempting to tank for next year to get top draft pick and easier schedule just like they were last year. 

[The Now Moment]

30 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Exactly...

There are plenty of success stories of rookies playing right away.  

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

It is a possibility. Bills might be attempting to tank for next year to get top draft pick and easier schedule just like they were last year. 

There is no tanking going on, only rebuilding.  There is a big difference.  You can still win while rebuilding a team and that's exactly what they did last year.

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

There is no tanking going on, only rebuilding.  There is a big difference.  You can still win while rebuilding a team and that's exactly what they did last year.

 

I gave only possible reason for P5t5rman to be starting other than early CTE symptoms for coaching staff.

[aceman_16]

38 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Why week 5? Avoid the tough schedule to begin the season?

Pretty much.  Also for AJ to add to his highlight film so we can get a better trade for him next year.

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Because AJ McCarron isn't very good. 

 

The prosecution rests m'Lord. 

We Honestly don’t know that yet

Edited May 8, 2018 by John from Riverside

[Bill_with_it]

This topic is already and has already been under discussion since i started it in april.

 

[Bill_with_it]

On 5/1/2018 at 7:58 AM, Doc said:

 

Yup.  I could see them starting Allen if the competition is close.

Definitely.

[mannc]

35 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

This could easily go the way of the Chicago Bears season last year where they signed "veteran" QB Mike Glennon to be the interim starter until Mitch Trubisky was ready.  

Trubisky had limited college experience (31 games) slightly more than Allen (27 games).  

Glennon was awful (not all his fault) and was booted in favor of Trubisky week 4.  

In other words, AJ McCarron could easily wind up making the case for Allen to start.  

Except the Bills signed AJ for a fraction of what the Bears paid Glennon.  And I’m willing to bet that AJ performs much better than Glennon did.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

This topic is already and has already been under discussion since i started it in april.

 

 

Did you write this BillsWire article from today? Nope! New thread! 

Edited May 8, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[The Now Moment]

18 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I gave only possible reason for P5t5rman to be starting other than early CTE symptoms for coaching staff.

Sure man, whatever you say

[Teddy KGB]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Did you write this BillsWire article from today? Nope! New thread! 

 

Break us off with another Erick Flowers thread.  ??

 

He’s right, why not add it to the thread on the subject ? 

[hondo in seattle]

I think McD has an obligation to the team to start the guy who gives us the best chance of winning.

 

If that's Allen right away, great!

 

If AJ is the better QB come Week 1, great!  Let Allen polish his game while learning on the practice field, QB room, and sidelines.  

 

It's hard for a coach to ask his players to play to win when he's not because he's training up a rookie QB.  

[26CornerBlitz]

28 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I think McD has an obligation to the team to start the guy who gives us the best chance of winning.

 

If that's Allen right away, great!

 

If AJ is the better QB come Week 1, great!  Let Allen polish his game while learning on the practice field, QB room, and sidelines.  

 

It's hard for a coach to ask his players to play to win when he's not because he's training up a rookie QB.  

 

The supporting cast would have to be a lot stronger as it was in the cases of the Steelers with Big Ben and the Seahawks with Russell Wilson. 

Edited May 8, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[grb]

On 5/1/2018 at 5:05 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

 

True enough. I qualified Expert on a M-203 grenade launcher precisely because of that. Lord knows I didn't actually hit anything.

(I wasn't bad at horseshoes either. Almost seems to be a specialty of mine)

[Buffalo716]

51 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

This could easily go the way of the Chicago Bears season last year where they signed "veteran" QB Mike Glennon to be the interim starter until Mitch Trubisky was ready.  

Trubisky had limited college experience (31 games) slightly more than Allen (27 games).  

Glennon was awful (not all his fault) and was booted in favor of Trubisky week 4.  

In other words, AJ McCarron could easily wind up making the case for Allen to start.  

 

Trubisky had 13 career college starts ...

 

Allen has like 26. So he actually has more starting experience than Trubisky 

[Da webster guy]

Depends on how well the O-line is playing I think.    If they're holding their own, and Shady is rolling along, you might see him sooner than you think.  I see week 9 at home against the Bears as Allens first start.

 

I actually think at the end of training camp the qb rankings will be Allen, Peterman, then McCarron.    If Allen doesn't start the opener, I think it will be Peterman.

 

 

 

 

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Edited May 8, 2018 by Da webster guy