Josh Rosen Responds to Character Concerns in Interview with Cowherd

[jimmy10]

1 hour ago, zonabb said:

Give me this kid all day long. If he fails, he fails working hard and smart, not lazy (read today Vick never studied his playbook). 

 

We’ve done the hardworking, smart, failing thing at QB a number of times. Let’s try something else. 

[drf1835]

Two months ago I wanted Darnold, as everyone in the media was drooling over him being head and shoulders above the rest. Then I decided on Baker Mayfield, as I looked at his stats in college and charisma, leadership abilities yet underdog  personality. I said, "He is our guy." Then, I leaned towards wanting us to pick Allen, as I want a guy that is a strong armed good kid that can move and can take risks, and who is not a dink and dunker.

 

But, after seeing that Rosen interview and analyzing things more, think I have settled on Rosen now. From what I took from that interview, unless injuries plague his career, he will likely be the qb that succeeeds above the others, as much of his talent likely comes from his strong self-motivation and work ethic, detailedness, perfectionism,  increased confidence and desire to get respect, by him being the best.

 

Combine Aaron Rogers and Payton Manning, that is what I think Rosen will be. They are/were qbs  who put in the extensive work and preparation, and with an eye for detail, and who held themselves and others up to very high standards. I like that attitude and personality, the more I think about it. 

[GunnerBill]

I love the kid. Love him as a player and love his personality. 

 

He is the ONE. The Rosen One. 

 

Do not screw this up Buffalo. 

[nickrage]

Alright Beane. Quit being cute. Go get this kid.

[K-9]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

I love the kid. Love him as a player and love his personality. 

 

He is the ONE. The Rosen One. 

 

Do not screw this up Buffalo. 

It’s not up Buffalo to screw this up or not. He’s the top rated QB in the draft and has been since last August and it’s quite realistic that nobody would want to trade away the chance to draft him, no matter what they were offered. Our only chance to guarantee we get him is to move to one. But that’s just not up to us, unfortunately. Hoping we get lucky, though.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

58 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Too Jewy for Buffalo, from what Im told. Pass, we can do better next year.

 

He can reside in East Amherst... no issue. I can’t wait for the new page in the pamphlet of famous Jewish sports legends.  It hasn’t been updated since Yaz

52 minutes ago, Pre1236 said:

That picture is awesome

 Reminds me of ej

[TheFunPolice]

draft a guard and a CB

 

lots of holes...

 

LOL

 

Honestly though, Rosen has grown on me throughout the process, and Baker "Ric Flair" Mayfield has fallen a bit in my eyes

[Jay_Fixit]

47 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This interview absolutely blew me away. As many know I have been down on Rosen for personality and injury issues. NOT ANY MORE!  I want him on the Bills more than any guy. His physical qb characteristics are unprecedented. You will have to protect him. I was wrong about him and I watched him play every Sat from the Rose Bowl. When several different reporters compare him to Aaron Rodgers, I can see that. Belichick would die to get a guy like this. I don't know how high we have to trade up to get him but McB.....

 

GET IT DONE.....GET ROSEN!

Oh no.

[T-Bomb]

I've been saying all along he's the only option at QB IMO, if Beane fails to get Rosen, he's a failure at GM.

[Fadingpain]

In this clip, he actually reminds me of Tom Brady.

 

He reminds me of Brady in many ways, now that I think about it.

 

That's not exactly a bad thing.

 

Get it done MCBEANE!

 

 

10 minutes ago, K-9 said:

It’s not up Buffalo to screw this up or not. He’s the top rated QB in the draft and has been since last August and it’s quite realistic that nobody would want to trade away the chance to draft him, no matter what they were offered. Our only chance to guarantee we get him is to move to one. But that’s just not up to us, unfortunately. Hoping we get lucky, though.

Not really true.

 

I believe Darnold is probably more consistently rated #1 by NFL teams and he has been and remains the betting odds-on favorite to go #1.

Further, I believe he will go #1 to Cleveland.  We'll find out.

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, K-9 said:

It’s not up Buffalo to screw this up or not. He’s the top rated QB in the draft and has been since last August and it’s quite realistic that nobody would want to trade away the chance to draft him, no matter what they were offered. Our only chance to guarantee we get him is to move to one. But that’s just not up to us, unfortunately. Hoping we get lucky, though.

 

If he goes 1 I will not consider the Bills to have screwed it up. Same if he goes 2. If he goes 3 I will be a little frustrated but if he goes later than 3 and not to us.... then I will think we have screwed it up. 

[Green Lightning]

I can see that interview actually putting some teams off. Good! Maybe he may drop down a little so we can get him. 

[MDH]

1 hour ago, kdiggz said:

That's the AFC championship game in the last game ever at new era stadium.  I'm from the future, I've seen it

 

The Cardinals must have been moved to the AFC...

[racketmaster]

I’m fine with Rosen if he falls to 12. Maybe go to 10 to get him. He has great mechanics and throws a nice ball.

Concerns:

1) Rosen makes some bad decisions and sometimes gets away with some dangerous throws. He has a little Eli Manning to him where he can get really hot or he can make some awful decisions.

2) He has slow feet. I wish his feet were a little quicker as he frequently gets sacks while trying to escape pocket. If his feet were a little quicker he would not be caught as often.

3) Durability. He is pocket qb and he takes some shots. Has had some significant injuries and am not sure his body can hold up to a 16+ game season.

4) Had a lot of hype around him at UCLA but I wish he would have won more games. His record is very average (just above .500). I like to see qbs elevate their programs to a different level. 

 

That said, we need a qb and if he falls close to 12, I would take a shot. Keeping our picks would allow us to fill in some significant holes. 

[Augie]

I was hoping he’d call him Cowturd and flip him the bird, anything to have him drop a little! 

 

I’ve never had any problem with his attitude or personality. The concussions do concern me to some extent. 

[Fadingpain]

6 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

I can see that interview actually putting some teams off. Good! Maybe he may drop down a little so we can get him. 

Are you kidding?

Absolutely it will.  It makes me like him more than I have to date, however.

 

 

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

In this clip, he actually reminds me of Tom Brady.

 

He reminds me of Brady in many ways, now that I think about it.

 

That's not exactly a bad thing.

 

Get it done MCBEANE!

 

 

Not really true.

 

I believe Darnold is probably more consistently rated #1 by NFL teams and he has been and remains the betting odds-on favorite to go #1.

Further, I believe he will go #1 to Cleveland.  We'll find out.

 

 

 

Darnold or someone else may very well go before Rosen, that’s entirely true. But that will be for reasons other than who is the best QB. Feel free to discount that as just my opinion and I don’t blame you considering we are just anonymous strangers on an Internet forum. But I don’t offer that as my own opinion; it comes from several long time personnel evaluators. And that’s not to say their own opinions shouldn’t be taken with a grain of salt, either, as they are the first to admit it’s not an exact science. They are just adamant he’s the most ready to play in the league coming out. That’s all. 

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he goes 1 I will not consider the Bills to have screwed it up. Same if he goes 2. If he goes 3 I will be a little frustrated but if he goes later than 3 and not to us.... then I will think we have screwed it up. 

Perhaps the best qualification for laying blame I’ve seen around here. The gradation is admirable. 

12 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

I can see that interview actually putting some teams off. Good! Maybe he may drop down a little so we can get him. 

Do you really think a Cowherd interview would supersede their own?

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[OrtonHearsaWho]

44 minutes ago, drf1835 said:

Two months ago I wanted Darnold, as everyone in the media was drooling over him being head and shoulders above the rest. Then I decided on Baker Mayfield, as I looked at his stats in college and charisma, leadership abilities yet underdog  personality. I said, "He is our guy." Then, I leaned towards wanting us to pick Allen, as I want a guy that is a strong armed good kid that can move and can take risks, and who is not a dink and dunker.

 

But, after seeing that Rosen interview and analyzing things more, think I have settled on Rosen now. From what I took from that interview, unless injuries plague his career, he will likely be the qb that succeeeds above the others, as much of his talent likely comes from his strong self-motivation and work ethic, detailedness, perfectionism,  increased confidence and desire to get respect, by him being the best.

 

Combine Aaron Rogers and Payton Manning, that is what I think Rosen will be. They are/were qbs  who put in the extensive work and preparation, and with an eye for detail, and who held themselves and others up to very high standards. I like that attitude and personality, the more I think about it. 

 

A combo of Rodgers and Manning might be a little much but I'm otherwise with you.  

 

Really the only one that I don't want to end up with is Allen even though he seems like a solid kid with a howitzer for an arm but I can't understand not liking Rosen.  He's almost universally regarded as the most NFL ready QB in the draft and I personally love his attitude.  If he can stay healthy (I think he needs to bulk up a bit) I think he'll be the best of the entire class.

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

Best QB in draft. 

[KDIGGZ]

this was a bad interview.  we want everyone to hate Rosen so he falls!  what is all of this Rosen love all of a sudden?  let's go back to a month ago when everyone said they didn't want some spoiled rich kid from California!!

[DCOrange]

17 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

I’m fine with Rosen if he falls to 12. Maybe go to 10 to get him. He has great mechanics and throws a nice ball.

Concerns:

1) Rosen makes some bad decisions and sometimes gets away with some dangerous throws. He has a little Eli Manning to him where he can get really hot or he can make some awful decisions.

2) He has slow feet. I wish his feet were a little quicker as he frequently gets sacks while trying to escape pocket. If his feet were a little quicker he would not be caught as often.

3) Durability. He is pocket qb and he takes some shots. Has had some significant injuries and am not sure his body can hold up to a 16+ game season.

4) Had a lot of hype around him at UCLA but I wish he would have won more games. His record is very average (just above .500). I like to see qbs elevate their programs to a different level. 

 

That said, we need a qb and if he falls close to 12, I would take a shot. Keeping our picks would allow us to fill in some significant holes. 

 

I'm relatively low on Rosen (have him as my #5 QB), but I don't really buy the lack of winning argument personally. The guy led one of the best offenses in the country despite having WRs that dropped a lot of passes. I agree on basically all the other stuff though.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Sounds like he knows he's going #2 overall.

 

[OrtonHearsaWho]

Just now, kdiggz said:

this was a bad interview.  we want everyone to hate Rosen so he falls!  what is all of this Rosen love all of a sudden?  let's go back to a month ago when everyone said they didn't want some spoiled rich kid from California!!

 

Haha exactly!  He's a punk...now go get em Bills!

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

this was a bad interview.  we want everyone to hate Rosen so he falls!  what is all of this Rosen love all of a sudden?  let's go back to a month ago when everyone said they didn't want some spoiled rich kid from California!!

 

Yeah lets go back a month ago and pull my posts about this kid

[FrankoElTanko]

44 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

draft a guard and a CB

 

lots of holes...

 

LOL

 

Honestly though, Rosen has grown on me throughout the process, and Baker "Ric Flair" Mayfield has fallen a bit in my eyes

I really like both, still... However, Rosen has grown on me and overtaken my No.1. I love Mayfield but without the Giants it would be nearly impossible plus I like Rosen more, especially at 4,5,6 or later. As long as we do not go to 4,5,6, etc and choose Allen over him I will be fine. If we miss him by choosing Allen, it is likely the Fish will take him and the last thing I would want is Allen of Rosen, Mayfield and Allen as the newly comprised AFCE rookie Qb trio... terrifying. 

 

We need to go get him.

[longtimebillsfan]

Do what it takes to get this guy.  This was very impressive.

 

I have been in favor of staying at 12 and see what happens, but Rosen gave a very impressive interview.

 

Thursday can not get here fast enough!

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, essential said:

This would be awesome!

[racketmaster]

18 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

I'm relatively low on Rosen (have him as my #5 QB), but I don't really buy the lack of winning argument personally. The guy led one of the best offenses in the country despite having WRs that dropped a lot of passes. I agree on basically all the other stuff though.

The winning part is not my favorite complaint but I believe most good NFL quarterbacks have won in college and usually elevate their programs. I recall seeing some analysis on this somewhere but don’t have it at the ready right now. But there are other factors for sure that go into winning but qb is pretty important. 

[Threedollabills]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I want this guy in Buffalo.

I'm starting to warm up to him as in moving up for him and losing hella picks. The injuries freak me out though. I can see him lighting it up going 5-1 or something and then BAM concussion BAM knee BAM ankle...think about how crushing it was for Colts fans last year knowing they got the man but the man is effed up and cannot play. Salt in the wound.

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Threedollabills

[yungmack]

1 hour ago, Troll Toll said:

I remember Losman saying he wanted to be the greatest of all time too... IMO Rosen will be another bust. When I watch him I don’t see anything special, even though I want him to be good.

You, sir, are well-named.

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

 

at this point, nothing but talk. hopefully, where ever he lands he can back up those bold words/predictions?

 

can't knock him for being confident in himself.

 

 

[yungmack]

As things stand at the moment, Rosen isn't going to be available to the Bills. The only safe way to grab him is with the number 2 pick, which doesn't seem to be in the cards. And there's a chance Cleveland takes him with the first pick anyway, Of course, that would mean Darnold's available and he's without a doubt the better bet of the two. He's the closest thing to "can't miss" of all the QBs.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I've been on the Rosen bandwagon for well over a year now, as he has been who I wanted since prior to last draft when I was suggesting we punt on QB to this draft. I think the Bills FO will aggressively pursue Sam Darnold if he is not taken #1 overall, but barring that I believe they will make very competitive offers to get into the 4-7 range for Rosen. I will be thrilled with either result.

[Bills4life1924]

2 hours ago, kdiggz said:

That's the AFC championship game in the last game ever at new era stadium.  I'm from the future, I've seen it

But the Cardinals are not in the AFC.. lol jp diggz, your statement to the pic gave me chills!

[LABILLBACKER]

54 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

The winning part is not my favorite complaint but I believe most good NFL quarterbacks have won in college and usually elevate their programs. I recall seeing some analysis on this somewhere but don’t have it at the ready right now. But there are other factors for sure that go into winning but qb is pretty important. 

No one was elevating a Bruin team with a bottom 20 defense those last 2 years....

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I've been on the Rosen bandwagon for well over a year now, as he has been who I wanted since prior to last draft when I was suggesting we punt on QB to this draft. I think the Bills FO will aggressively pursue Sam Darnold if he is not taken #1 overall, but barring that I believe they will make very competitive offers to get into the 4-7 range for Rosen. I will be thrilled with either result.

That's where I'm at as well. I think Rosen is awesome and I hope Beane does too!

[wppete]

 

Cmon McBean let’s get this done. This is our guy. 

[KDIGGZ]

4 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said:

But the Cardinals are not in the AFC.. lol jp diggz, your statement to the pic gave me chills!

They are in 2021. Conferences get re-arranged!

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, JoeF said:

We endured 17 years of no playoffs

We endured 4 straight Super Bowl losses

We endured a lot of freaking bad football over the last 58 years

 

I want my payoff and I want it now..........Josh Rosen is that payoff in my mind.   :-)

 

This young man is the best fit for the team, the owners, the coaching staff and the city.  We need a personality...not a cliche driven drone (Allen or Darnold) or a potential crazy convict (Mayfield)...  

 

 

No offense here but this nonsense and media and some fan 'fawning' over his 'outspokenness' (I'm sure he's not playing the 2018 media like a fiddle; and I'm not sure I know what that--outspokeness--even means), and all his "I just want kids to think on their own"----who the heck is he implying doesn't "think on their own?"  Or help people?  Are we hiring for missionary work or to win football games?  

 

This (the interview) just seems all so freaking stupid.  And more indicative of problems not traits that espouse championships.  Like all the ones he won in college.  And the comment "if a coach doesn't challenge me we're going to have problems."  What is his definition of "challenging him?"  I'm sure most coaches hear that and are like "sign me up!"  

 

Sorry.....just a free thinker here not succumbing to group think.  And fyi I have him in my top 3 but its close with Jackson 3-4.  Baker, Darnold, Rosen, Lamar.  

 

Also Fyi....some modern day NFL players who were oh so horribly boring and vanilla:

 

Brady 

Big Ben

Eli 

Peyton 

 

11 Total Super Bowls

 

Modern day "outspoken" (I still dont know what that means) NFL QBs and their SBs:

 

Edited April 25, 2018 by Big Blitz