Ol Dirty B Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Sure last Summer Eric Wood Kyle Williams ring a bell TT ring a bell None of those players were given raises last year on existing contracts. They were all extensions. You're really reaching to make a point, we just disagree. It's not really a right or wrong argument it's more of just a difference in beliefs. Edited April 15, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) So he shows up and plays he gets paid. He doesnt he rots in the reserve retired list. Either way last moment i am spending on a 35 year old OG. Just now, Ol Dirty B said: None of those players were given raises. They were all extensions. They are ALL Renogotiations team approched giving more money to a player that wasnt needed to be given Edited April 15, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 It is sad that RI has gone off the rails here - BUT he signed that contract, took the bonus and then.....fell into the rabbit hole. Go ask Alice...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, Manther said: Agreed. At that point he and his agent (I am assuming) thought the money (after the pay cut) from the Bills was still more than he would get on the open market and/or/combination that staying in Buffalo for close to what he would get on the open market was worth it. Couldn't agree more, bizarre turn of events, hard to imagine a team backing up the Brink's truck for him. I don't think the owners and GMs of the NFL would be to happy about the precedent it would set for other players to do the same thing Ritchie did. I know the NFL is competitive but all 32 owners are on the same team in many regards, some things are above football, these are very principled men we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 He shows up and plays = He gets paid. He doesnt = He rots on Reserve Retired list. Done thinking about a 35 year old OG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Why not just show up to camp and be a distraction and purposefully get cut?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Cry me a river! If you're so insulted to be offered $5.9M dollars to play football, just say "no", wait for your release, and sign somewhere else - see what the market brings you. That's what I don't get. The original contract had him at like $6.5M, which was reduced to $4.9M, but he got a $1M renegotiating bonus to put it at $5.9M. So all of this BS is over $600K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, LittleJoeCartwright said: That's what I don't get. The original contract had him at like $6.5M, which was reduced to $4.9M, but he got a $1M renegotiating bonus to put it at $5.9M. So all of this BS is over $600K? Yes exactly. Also if he wasn’t comfortable with the terms, he could have always said no. They likely would have granted him his release, which is what he’s asking for now and probably will not get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He shows up and plays = He gets paid. He doesnt = He rots on Reserve Retired list. Done thinking about a 35 year old OG Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Gugny said: A sharp stick in the eye? If he felt he was one of the best, then he shouldn't have signed for less. And Boldin's situation was the exact same. "Retired," but clearly wanted to play for another team. Maybe he told his agents, let me know when its done. and don't bother me until then. I am sure Bills will be fair. ? 3 hours ago, Gugny said: Exactly. The Bills are not in the wrong, here. In any way, shape or form. agreed 1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said: Yes exactly. Also if he wasn’t comfortable with the terms, he could have always said no. They likely would have granted him his release, which is what he’s asking for now and probably will not get I do not feel this is the issue We fans have made it. something else is chafing his hide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 We need a Wendy’s style Twitter presence. He deserves a snappy comback to every dopey post. I.e. Would love to release you but like your liver, our twitter feed is shutting down due to stress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 First give back your signing bonus then ask nicely with a pretty please and a cherry on top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 #bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Give him the $600K and make him happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 I personally hope the bills play hard ball with him.....sets a bad precident to even negotiate when a player does this Not even taking into account that his career was in the gutter and the bills GAVE HIM A CHANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) He’s played well and there isn’t much talent on the OL. Seems penny foolish to play hardball with him. Edited April 15, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Richie burning through any goodwill he's accumulated since coming here in record time. He may have caught an acute case of idiotcy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Kwai San said: It is sad that RI has gone off the rails here - BUT he signed that contract, took the bonus and then.....fell into the rabbit hole. Go ask Alice...... “When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm ignorant here, educate me: do the other major professional sports in NA have team salary caps where injury guarantees etc fall under the cap? Hockey has a lot of issues with contracts and injuries. Here is an article. https://www.quora.com/Does-an-NHL-player-receive-full-salary-on-injured-reserve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 We probably should debate mental health professionals as hotly as we do quarterbacks on this board because the Bills appear to need the very best they can given the recent incidents involving Jones and Incognito. I think something has certainly happened with Incognito and the BIlls should get to the bottom of it before making any decisions on his contract. I doubt even if the Bills released him that any NFL team would sign him. Nobody is going to spend finite cap dollars on a guy who's clearly an emotional mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Richie went full retard. You never go full retard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 NO play or sit waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 7 hours ago, HOUSE said: Not the brightest bulb in the box, signs deal, thinks about it, fires agent, retires, un-retires, asks for release. Sounds like drugs to me His liver and kidneys have miraculously cured - so it can't be drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 If there is a market for him. Yes gone. Beane is already on the horn shopping this bozo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 7 hours ago, Derby Dan said: Their are no plans to let him out of his contract. Silly question. We need him Are you serious? Read what you just said. The man has a past and now is unstable and you think a team is going to give us a great draft pick. Common on man. Use your head before you post please Will you stop saying this S##it!!! What are you the grand poobah of posting etiquette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: Will you stop saying this S##it!!! What are you the grand poobah of posting etiquette? He IS Dunkirk Dan or Derby Don......or whomever is he this week......oi !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Derby Dan said: Please be clearer next time Again. STFU!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: Again. STFU!!!! The hat mogul from Ohio is making friends quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Include him in the deal with Giants so we give up less picks They need OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Wait, I thought football was literally killing him. Isn't that why he was retiring? Was he misdiagnosed? Did his health issues miraculously clear up? If I didn't know better I'd almost think Richie was lying about his health as a negotiation tactic, but he wouldn't do something that scummy, right? :roll: The question of whether the renegotiation was fair or not is irrelevant. He signed the contract. That should count for something. Players shouldn't be able to just take a signing bonus then ask to be let go. That contract is signed in good faith by both sides, one party is agreeing to provide a service for a certain amount of time, in return for clearly noted compensation. That contract becomes binding when both parties sign it. If the Bills release him, they gain nothing for it, while Richie stands to gain a lot. Worse, he could go anywhere, including a divisional rival. Do you really want him in a Pats uniform protecting Brady this season? And even if the Bills were feeling generous, Richie's behavior is inexcusable. He didn't ask nicely or privately. First, he "retired" for health reasons, then magically recovered. Then he asks publically on Twitter with whimsical emoticons for a release? No. Just no. Hell no. I'm fine with trading him away, to a team we won't see soon or frequently. Get something for him at least. But just releasing him rewards his behavior and that opens the door for others players to pull this same kind of garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 9 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: I love how he always leaves the laughing emoji after one of these tweets. Maybe he’s just cracking under the stress of the NFL Investigating him for the racist slur that Yannick claimed he made...and then forgot Or he's an idiot. He's 34 years old and he's acting like he's fresh out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Guys, it seems obvious that his referring to the former agents is because he is saying that he's upset about the pay cut they negotiated and that is why he wants his release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, The Bills Blog said: Guys, it seems obvious that his referring to the former agents is because he is saying that he's upset about the pay cut they negotiated and that is why he wants his release. Which is dumb as hell because he could have declined the pay cut and been released to the open market as a Free Agent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 9 hours ago, ALF said: Richie was great his last 3 seasons , even did his best to learn a complex blocking scheme last season. So they rewarded that effort with a pay cut . That was a real insult. I agree with your point, he has played well for us, at a fairly bargain price. I could have seen him taking it as an insult. But he should not have a agreed to the re-structure a few weeks ago. The Bills would have then been forced to pay him the terms of his contract, or release him...he created this problem for himself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 8 hours ago, LABillzFan said: Are you freaking kidding us right now? Do you not remember what Richie was doing before he joined the Bills? Oh, that's right. NOTHING. He was unemployed for bullying a black player right out of a job. But the Bills are the ones in the wrong here. The Bills are the ones who aren't loyal. Sweetbejebus, the sense of entitlement in this world is embarrassing, and the understanding of self-accountability is all but gone. Sweetbejebus in perpetuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Don’t the Giants need a guard? Can we put him in the package? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Kwai San said: Tell that to the endless trail of Pats players who were shoved aside.....yet they seem to have no problems getting people to play there. @Hapless Bills Fan has a strong point. The Bills win - they payers will come here - end of statement. Pats get away with this BS only now after their dominance and lookie lookie that seems to be crumbling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) It sounds like Incognito is suffering more from a mental health issue than a physical bodily health complication. If he wants to come out of retirement and is on the right meds than by all means the guy should be a Bill or we should trade him for whatever pick we can get. Edited April 15, 2018 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 For those against cutting him - if he shows up, is your opinion we just trust he'll be a reliable player for the season? This feels like it's a trickier situation than what we'd like to do. I don't want to pay for a distraction or worse a hamstring injury day 2 of camp. This is somewhat unique in that we're not dealing with someone that might end up worrying about future reputation. As others have noted, this all coming out of 600k is kind of ridiculous for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, disco said: For those against cutting him - if he shows up, is your opinion we just trust he'll be a reliable player for the season? This feels like it's a trickier situation than what we'd like to do. I don't want to pay for a distraction or worse a hamstring injury day 2 of camp. This is somewhat unique in that we're not dealing with someone that might end up worrying about future reputation. As others have noted, this all coming out of 600k is kind of ridiculous for both sides. If we cut him, we get absolutely nothing out of it, open the door for other players to try the same scumbag negotiating tactics and face the very real possibility of playing against him twice this season in a Pats uniform. You can't justify that. I agree with prior posters who suggest we package him up in a trade with the Giants to lighten the cost of their #2 overall draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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