Turk71 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: Today is a great day...and I want to thank the Bills organization and by extension the fans for helping to bring it all about with that trade last season. From a KC perspective....We have a very ready Mahomes, and we get out from under Smith, get cap space, a thrid round pick AND...this is the important part....Fuller, a corner who would absolutely go in the first round of this years draft, under his PALTRY rookie contract for two more years. That is BETTER than actually getting a first round pick....you know he isn't a bust already and he's pennies on the dollar cheap for a high end corner that would cost MILLIONS on the open market. ....I am going to use a very tasteless term to describe what happend today....but KC plunger raped the Redskins. It would seem at least the Redskins have looked at this QB class and said "no thanks" The Browns made the phone call to KC...that doesn't mean they weren't going to draft a guy, but it tells you that whoever they are going to take, they don't think will start day 1. That isn't usually the case when you invest the 1/1 in a QB. The Bills are going to go through the Kirk Cousins bidding war, and trying to convert the 21st and 22nd overall pics, OR going with Tyrod and Peterman, OR signing someone like Bradford when all you had to do was use the 10th overall pick you had last year and avoid all this uncertainty. You had Mahomes and Watson right there, under the tree with shiny wrapping paper and nice big bow...and you punted. Slow down, you just traded the qb that led the league in passing efficiency. A veteran who is playing the best football of his career, and will now start a qb who has one start in a meaningless game and posted 0tds, 1 int. and a 76. qb rating. A lot of hype, but put your Super Bowl plans on hold. He hasnt proven anything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Slow down, you just traded the qb that led the league in passing efficiency. A veteran who is playing the best football of his career, and will now start a qb who has one start in a meaningless game and posted 0tds, 1 int. and a 76. qb rating. A lot of hype, but put your Super Bowl plans on hold. He hasnt proven anything yet. Bigger question: wtf is a chefs fan doing here? i smell a jeffismagic trollololololol moment Lol also what are all of you doing up at 1am? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Bigger question: wtf is a chefs fan doing here? i smell a jeffismagic trollololololol moment I joined to keep track of Bills fans attitude toward the trade and Mahomes over time.....Thanks for having me. I also joined a Browns group for the same reasons (Dorsey there, they passed on every one last draft) This group here is a WAY WAY more inteligent and thoughtful group than the guys on the Cleveland boards, and franly, the KC boards I am on...lots of frustrating Madden players who don't understand the cap or real football....I hope you'll see fit to let me stick around....even as I will poke you for Mahomes here and there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I think Denver and Arizona have the most realistic chances of landing Cousins with Denver being the front runner, Elway always seems to lure the big fish. The team that seems to be a qb away from a Super Bowl is Jax imo. No idea if they are interested or have the cap but I think they have the rest of the parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Cousins would be a fool to go to the Jets or the Browns. QB's go to those places to die. I guess similar could be said about the Bills, but it looks like things are pointing up for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Incredible... 4 years for $94 million with $71 million in guarantees. McDermott said he values a vet QB on the roster. Much to the chagrin of MANY on this board, Taylor might be around another year as that guy. The price of every other capable vet QB just went up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: I joined to keep track of Bills fans attitude toward the trade and Mahomes over time.....Thanks for having me. I also joined a Browns group for the same reasons (Dorsey there, they passed on every one last draft) This group here is a WAY WAY more inteligent and thoughtful group than the guys on the Cleveland boards, and franly, the KC boards I am on...lots of frustrating Madden players who don't understand the cap or real football....I hope you'll see fit to let me stick around....even as I will poke you for Mahomes here and there. Your team absolutely hosed the Redskins with that trade. How does Alex Smith make that kind of money in his mid 30's. How? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: I joined to keep track of Bills fans attitude toward the trade and Mahomes over time.....Thanks for having me. I also joined a Browns group for the same reasons (Dorsey there, they passed on every one last draft) This group here is a WAY WAY more inteligent and thoughtful group than the guys on the Cleveland boards, and franly, the KC boards I am on...lots of frustrating Madden players who don't understand the cap or real football....I hope you'll see fit to let me stick around....even as I will poke you for Mahomes here and there. Let's wait and see if Mahomes is actually good or not. Everyone talks him up like he is already a Franchise QB, but he has only played in one meaningless game so far. Time will tell. We did get a great rookie in Tre White from the trade down. If the Bills use KC's first rounder to move up and get a QB, I hope Mahomes and whoever we take turn out to be great QB's. It would be a rare instance where both franchises look great for making a trade. Win-win. Both get their QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Incredible... 4 years for $94 million with $71 million in guarantees. McDermott said he values a vet QB on the roster. Much to the chagrin of MANY on this board, Taylor might be around another year as that guy. The price of every other capable vet QB just went up. At this point we might sign Josh McCown and draft a quarterback. There'd pry be riots on the street, but he did fairly well considering the Jets talent on the offensiveness of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: Let's wait and see if Mahomes is actually good or not. Everyone talks him up like he is already a Franchise QB, but he has only played in one meaningless game so far. Time will tell. We did get a great rookie in Tre White from the trade down. If the Bills use KC's first rounder to move up and get a QB, I hope Mahomes and whoever we take turn out to be great QB's. It would be a rare instance where both franchises look great for making a trade. Win-win. Both get their QB. I'm totally rooting for you guys to get your QB. I was actually at the wide right super bowl rooting for the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Slow down, you just traded the qb that led the league in passing efficiency. A veteran who is playing the best football of his career, and will now start a qb who has one start in a meaningless game and posted 0tds, 1 int. and a 76. qb rating. A lot of hype, but put your Super Bowl plans on hold. He hasnt proven anything yet. 4 Right! I wouldn't gloat too much at this point because Mahomes may end up as another Jay Cutler. We will see this season and should he fail you have Tyler Bray. This new coaching staff wanted to see what they had in Tyrod Taylor and clearly, they didn't trust Whaley or his scouts with their past QB evaluations. Kinda why they are no longer with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 29 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: So what Hindsight on Watson is 20/20 and what exactly has he done anyways? Talk about Watson when he does something. Who was in the playoffs this year? Tyrod Taylor. So Watson who ? Ok let's be fair here not to mention realistic. You're actually gonna say the Bills still would have made the playoffs had Watson's season not been cut short? Houston would have taken that division and Tennessee would have had the wild card. Watson was playing every bit as good as any QB at the time he got hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: At this point we might sign Josh McCown and draft a quarterback. There'd pry be riots on the street, but he did fairly well considering the Jets talent on the offensiveness of the ball. I think this was another domino to fall towards Tyrod still being a Buffalo Bill for one more year as we draft our long term answer in the first. I have no problem if he's not, though... hopefully it's because we have Darnold or Mayfield ... or Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Must have been worried about the money. 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: If I remember, Dunkirk Dumb said 2-1sts and a 2nd to get the honor to pay him 28 million a year. Per source. Where Is Double D These Days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Must have been worried about the money. Where Is Double D These Days? After his claim to have made millions off his land deal because of the message board, he rode off into the sunset! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: After his claim to have made millions off his land deal because of the message board, he rode off into the sunset! So he is financing the new stadium in Letchworth, 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: Ok let's be fair here not to mention realistic. You're actually gonna say the Bills still would have made the playoffs had Watson's season not been cut short? Houston would have taken that division and Tennessee would have had the wild card. Watson was playing every bit as good as any QB at the time he got hurt Tenn beat the Texans twice without Watson. So if the Texans win that div then Tenn probably loses at least one of those games and does not make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think this was another domino to fall towards Tyrod still being a Buffalo Bill for one more year as we draft our long term answer in the first. I have no problem if he's not, though... hopefully it's because we have Darnold or Mayfield ... or Luck You can forget about Luck. He is the reason McDaniel is going to the Colts; a quality quarterback in place to build on. Luck isn't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 55 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Incredible... 4 years for $94 million with $71 million in guarantees. McDermott said he values a vet QB on the roster. Much to the chagrin of MANY on this board, Taylor might be around another year as that guy. The price of every other capable vet QB just went up. The price of QBs goes up every year. There were people a week agon thinking Cousins might only get $22-23m then a 33 year old Alex Smith who two teams have moved on from gets that.... Cousins is going to get paid seriously big. None of that is an excuse not to move on from Tyrod though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 hours ago, NoSaint said: Bold play to formalize and leak it this far out. Seems things could go sideways easily Now that teams know what the asking price is, they have a month and a half to come up with better offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 hours ago, HansLanda said: Wow. Wonder what they got. And what value does that put on Tyrod? 1.0000 Tyrods. 43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The price of QBs goes up every year. There were people a week agon thinking Cousins might only get $22-23m then a 33 year old Alex Smith who two teams have moved on from gets that.... Cousins is going to get paid seriously big. None of that is an excuse not to move on from Tyrod though. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: Tenn beat the Texans twice without Watson. So if the Texans win that div then Tenn probably loses at least one of those games and does not make it. Twice without Watson?!?! Did you not see the 50 burger he put up on Tennessee? He didn't play the Titans the second time because of his knee injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Schmuggs said: Leroi was talking about this the other day. Our new QB will be a much bigger upgrade than Smith. No worries. Leroi s Draft board coming out next week!! I look forward to that if true. Last year he seemed to be very accurate. Do you know him outside of this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 30 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: Twice without Watson?!?! Did you not see the 50 burger he put up on Tennessee? He didn't play the Titans the second time because of his knee injury You are right, sorry. If they had lost the 2nd game to them they still would not have made the playoffs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 KC and Houston each traded up for a QB last year and neither regret doing so. The Bills need to stop playing checkers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Beane must have a plan not making a better offer to KC for Alex. Cousins must be asking too much . Scot Mccloughan ✔@MccloughanScot I would have never traded Kendall. He can play inside & outside, he's high character, young & a football player https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/958549939398815744 … 11:54 PM - Jan 30, 2018 Edited January 31, 2018 by ALF added info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: You are right, sorry. If they had lost the 2nd game to them they still would not have made the playoffs though. True but with how Watson was playing, I'm sure Tennessee would have been blown out at home. I do not look forward to playing Houston next year, especially if JJ Watt is healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 This is the best news of the year. Now Cousins is definitely going to take 1 team in the top 10 out of the QB sweepstakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, ALF said: Beane must have a plan not making a better offer to KC for Alex. Cousins must be asking too much . Scot Mccloughan ✔@MccloughanScot I would have never traded Kendall. He can play inside & outside, he's high character, young & a football player https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/958549939398815744 … 11:54 PM - Jan 30, 2018 Scott Mccloughan doesn't think team should have trade a guy he drafted? Shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, ALF said: Beane must have a plan not making a better offer to KC for Alex. Cousins must be asking too much . Scot Mccloughan ✔@MccloughanScot I would have never traded Kendall. He can play inside & outside, he's high character, young & a football player https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/958549939398815744 … 11:54 PM - Jan 30, 2018 ....was the Smith tariff too tall for Beane to pull the trigger?......that would certainly preclude any Cousins deal....OR.......is Cousins his target which will cost more?.........OR....was the Smith extension a longer window than Beane wants, preferring a shorter vet bridge to groom his 1st round QB pick and the Peterman kid?....plenty of unanswered questions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Did Chadkirk Bay DonChad stop by to explain this away yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtrip Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Tyler Steege @TSteegeNFL Age: Kirk Cousins: 29 Alex Smith: 33 4,000 yard seasons: Kirk Cousins: 3 Alex Smith: 1 Total TD passes last 3 seasons: Kirk Cousins: 81 Alex Smith: 61 The #Redskins just traded FOR an older QB who isn’t even as good as their current QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, ALF said: Beane must have a plan not making a better offer to KC for Alex. Cousins must be asking too much . Scot Mccloughan ✔@MccloughanScot I would have never traded Kendall. He can play inside & outside, he's high character, young & a football player https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/958549939398815744 … 11:54 PM - Jan 30, 2018 So the former GM of the skins likes a guy he drafted? Crazy. So the former GM of the skins criticizing the team that fired him? Crazy. 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Scott Mccloughan doesn't think team should have trade a guy he drafted? Shock. I know, right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Good, put this to bed. No way I wanted to watch this guy further the tradition of mediocrity under center here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Please people (you know who you are)! Let go of the Tyrod in Buffalo talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 hours ago, dezertbill said: This shocked me as well. I think Fuller is more value than the 3rd. KC robbed Washington. They botched the situation with Cousins and the trade with KC. No surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 39 minutes ago, jtrip said: Tyler Steege @TSteegeNFL Age: Kirk Cousins: 29 Alex Smith: 33 4,000 yard seasons: Kirk Cousins: 3 Alex Smith: 1 Total TD passes last 3 seasons: Kirk Cousins: 81 Alex Smith: 61 The #Redskins just traded FOR an older QB who isn’t even as good as their current QB. I'm totally good with Beane not going in for Smith ... $70 Mil for above plus remember the year he didn't throw a TD to WR's a few years ago. Daniel Snyder's team continues to strive for mediocre ... I'll trust the process. RG III's tweet was priceless ... that they'll find a way to blame him. Bradford maybe on the radar now .. given his injury history .. maybe he'll be cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 hours ago, MJS said: Cousins would be a fool to go to the Jets or the Browns. QB's go to those places to die. I guess similar could be said about the Bills, but it looks like things are pointing up for us. Cousins stated he wanted to go to a team and have a chance to win. Of the teams looking only 3 fit that category. Buffalo, Jax and Denver (if their defense can hold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 8 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: Exact opposite. They agreed and will sign him to a 4 yr extension. Right, well I made the post before the news came out about the extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, jtrip said: Tyler Steege @TSteegeNFL Age: Kirk Cousins: 29 Alex Smith: 33 4,000 yard seasons: Kirk Cousins: 3 Alex Smith: 1 Total TD passes last 3 seasons: Kirk Cousins: 81 Alex Smith: 61 The #Redskins just traded FOR an older QB who isn’t even as good as their current QB. In what way? Alex Smith wins games during the regular season, Cousins doesn't. 4,000 yard passing seasons dont get you the playoffs, wins do. Yes I realize a QB cant do it by himself but it is the position with the highest influence on them. Edited January 31, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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