26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Dareus' last play as a Bill was the crazy lateral play with him making the tackle to end the TB game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I've been critical of Dareus for what seems like a lifetime now...I always hoped for the best...But when he showed up fat at his first camp, and never even sniffed the 320 he was at the Combine again...He pretty much lost me a while ago... It's ultra rare for anyone to waste this much potential because few have that much potential...But the kid never grew up...I think the fact that the best they could get for him was a 6th says it all about what he has become...I have watched him ever-so-closely these past two seasons, and outside of the few downs when he decides to bring it, he's pretty much been JAG... What will always sting is...Well...AJ Green, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, JJ Watt, Tyron Smith...Ugh... exactly man.. hes JAG. With a huge contract. I can see Pegula being fed up with paying this bum. Cya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Is this English? Not hard to decipher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 6th round pick.. holy $h*t that's pathetic. Pathetic? "It's like Christmas!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Addition by subtraction. Beane isnt responsible so the blunder isnt his. Buhbye Douchius!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Do you trust Dareus to play next season? He is a bowl and bag of Doritos away from a long suspension. Thats irrelevant IMO. The cost/benefit dictated that you had to keep him through next year. You basically let him walk for Tanner Vallejo and $2M in cap space. Thats not worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Thats irrelevant IMO. The cost/benefit dictated that you had to keep him through next year. You basically let him walk for Tanner Vallejo and $2M in cap space. Thats not worth the risk. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I feel utterly embarrassed as a fan by this trade. Jacksonville fans have to be ecstatic. This is a ridiculous trade...it hurts. A 6th round pick? For Dareus? You should be embarrassed...for this horrible take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Better make up for this **** by acquiring a better-than-decent WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I feel utterly embarrassed as a fan by this trade. Jacksonville fans have to be ecstatic. This is a ridiculous trade...it hurts. A 6th round pick? For Dareus? we also got cap space. We could sign 3 guys that were playing at Marcels level. However, hopefully we spread it around to a few positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You should be embarrassed...for this horrible take. Explain please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You basically let him walk for Tanner Vallejo and $2M in cap space. When you put it like that, what a steal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) I feel utterly embarrassed as a fan by this trade. Jacksonville fans have to be ecstatic. This is a ridiculous trade...it hurts. A 6th round pick? For Dareus? Maybe they could have got a 5th if...... Dareus wasnt a puff away from a long term suspension? If Dareus hadnt drag raced? If Daerus hadnt been arrested in Alabama? If Dareus hadnt said he was going to rehab and then was spotted out in a club later that same night? If Dareus wasnt late for a damned road game and was sent home? If Dareus gave two ***** while he was on and off the field? Nah.... Its Beanes, McDermotts and the Bills fault. Edited October 28, 2017 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You are understanding it right. Its peanuts. OK, but that changes the question, doesn't it? Isn't the decision to be made simply are we better off with Dareus, or with ~$5 million cap space this year, $2 million next, a 6th round pick, and no further obligation? I don't see how the dead cap number is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 @JasonLaCanfora For all the praise of Jags defense, and it's vastly improved, their Run defense stinks and allow brutal 5.67/rush on 1st down. Hence Dareus With their front, Dareus isn't an everydown guy, but he'll be fixture on 1st Down. Jags allowed NFL worst 36 runs of 6yds or more on 1st D You pay a DT that kind of money, he better damn well be a 3 down player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Better make up for this **** by acquiring a better-than-decent WR. When I heard of the trade a couple hours ago, I immediately thought we are about to hear a trade, like a sixth round pick for Terrelle Pryor. Similar to the losing Watkins and Darby, gaining Matthews and Gaines idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You pay a DT that kind of money, he better damn well be a 3 down player. You would think so. Maybe he'll renegotiate his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Explain please. Dareus is the most overpaid player in the NFL. Understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Now you are going to see the run defense suffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) @WGR550 Beane- Jacksonville reached out to us today, thought about it, talked it through, thought it was a good move for the Bills and for Marcell @JaySkurski Beane says it was "very disappointing," but "not a breaking point" when the #Bills sent Dareus home from Baltimore in the preseason. @MatthewFairburn Brandon Beane admits Marcell Dareus was a question mark coming in. He and Sean McDermott had him "flagged" because of salary and suspension. @JoeBuscaglia #Bills GM Brandon Beane: I was not calling people about Dareus as the trade deadline approached. Jacksonville reached out to us. Beane leads the league in trading players he was not shopping. Like that makes any diffence when you screw up a trades like he does. Edited October 28, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven50 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Any chance of a comp pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Anything lower than a 2nd is a joke👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Bill have an open roster spot ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You would think so. Maybe he'll renegotiate his deal. That's almost a given. Just as it would have been here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I can't believe we didn't have to give them a 4th rounder or better to unload what may be the worst contract in the NFL. Thank the lord that the Jaguars are one of the worst run teams in professional sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I'm not sure why they HAD to trade him this year. Aren't we on the hook for his contract this year either way? I'm no salary cap expert but how does trading him now vs in the offseason help? It gets a cancer out of the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 We'll see who takes on double teams with his departure. He practically departed 3 years ago. What did he average like 25% of the snaps this year? Did the defense all of a sudden nose dive during that other 75%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Thats irrelevant IMO. The cost/benefit dictated that you had to keep him through next year. You basically let him walk for Tanner Vallejo and $2M in cap space. Thats not worth the risk.And that nails it. You have to hit a home run with what you gained to even get mediocre dareus quality of play and have no chance at the elite dareus play. Essentially youve accepted all the downside and shipped out all the upside Edited October 28, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Dareus is the most overpaid player in the NFL. Understand? Hes averaging 1.3 tackles a game. Dont discount that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Fair question: does Beane watch the games? Only the part of the games where Dareus actually plays vice being late, getting suspended, half assing it, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disinterested Observer Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Buy high (top five pick) sell low (sixth round pick) if this is part of the "process" I really have to wonder what the future holds for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 And that nails it. You have to hit a homer in with what you gained to even get mediocre dareus quality of play and have no chance at the elite dareus play. Essentially youve accepted all the downside and shipped out all the upside I dunno, I just can't get behind this. Culture is a real thing. It sends a message when a guy like Dareus is your highest-paid player and not doing squat. And I think if you kept him around you'd always be waiting for the next problem to pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 @spotrac The #Bills now have a combined $16.2M in 2017 dead cap allocated to Sammy Watkins & Marcell Dareus, their former #3 & #4 overall draft picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 He actually looked pretty good against Tampa. He was consistently double-teamed, and if not beating it then he was at least soaking up blockers and holding the line of scrimmage. He looked pretty good in the last five minutes. He was a tub of goo for the first 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 OK, but that changes the question, doesn't it? Isn't the decision to be made simply are we better off with Dareus, or with ~$5 million cap space this year, $2 million next, a 6th round pick, and no further obligation? I don't see how the dead cap number is relevant. Because you arent getting anywhere near the production that he is capable of for $2m in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Salary cap space is an asset. Welcome to the NFL where mediocre players depreciate in value faster than cars. John Idzik says hello. Can't believe they promoted that idea. So Billsy. Fair question: does Beane watch the games? Billy or Brandon? Because in Moneyball Billy doesn't watch all the games. Good opportunity for treadmill time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Now you are going to see the run defense suffeeAgreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Now you are going to see the run defense suffee Did it nose dive the 75% of the plays he wasn't out there this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 This just in from ESPN: "The Bills will receive a 2018 sixth-round pick from Jacksonville. A source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that the selection can become a fifth-round pick based on Dareus' performance." So it COULD be a 5th round pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Wonder what theyll get for glenn. Conditional 7th? Bag of footballs? Edited October 28, 2017 by JoPar_v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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