KDIGGZ Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Draft for 2nd and 4th, trade for 4th. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 My feeling is that the McBean combo is hell bent on taking us back to 2001... What a dumpster fire that was. Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk I think McBean wants what Marv/Levy wanted. Safe, lunch pail guys who try to squeak games out with field position and lucky bounces. Waiting for the other team to make a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So getting rid of guy picked by Rex freaking Ryan to fit a specific role on a specific Defense we don't have anymore is a fire sale? Jesus folks... So trading away Darby, Watkins, and Ragland for significantly less than their value isn't a fire sale? Â Fore Sale - a selling of remaining goods or assets for a very low price. Â Don't try to paint me as some sort of alertist, Jesus Kellytough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Haha a 4th in 2 years? That's equivalent to like a 5th or 6th this year. Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan boy '92 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 And this is why regime change sets you back a number of years. He was clearly a ridiculous fit for our 4-3 defense. Gteat for Rex's though! Â Good amount of currency in the exchange though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Â Each of your posts in this thread is a snarky half-point. Not sure you're in a position to crown yourself discourse king. Â correct. their failures to build a winner resulted in their terminations. Were Darby, Watkins, and Ragland expected to build the team into a winner in a 2 year time frame? Â Snarky half-points would be a major improvement on whatever you call that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 This can't be true! 26CB told us there's no way they trade Ragland, he's a promising second year player coming off injury. He's not having any problems in this defense, at all. Â Of course, this was right after there was no way Watkins got traded. And before that, there was no way Shaq was gonna miss time with his shoulder. Â Eball has finally met his match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Why is it every single time we clean house on the defensive side it has to come with a switch between a 3-4 and a 4-3. Stache 600-600 4-3, Pettine 3-4, Schwartz 4-3, Rex 3-4, McDermott 4-3. The talent erosion would not have been nearly this bad if they just limited the house leaning moves to the same general scheme. This franchise is a disaster thats why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We could feasibly of cut him. This is great value for us we can't use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I think McBean wants what Marv/Levy wanted. Safe, lunch pail guys who try to squeak games out with field position and lucky bounces. Waiting for the other team to make a mistake. This was not the mark of Levy's teams....plus you forgot blue collar and Buffalo guys....get all the cliches on one post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Yup, exactly. I said this in the other Ragland thread. This is why it sucks changing schemes every couple of years and why I want McDermott to be here for at least 4-5 years. I want to actually see the Bills be able to build something for once, without changing visions 2-3 years in... Â Learned last night that the Niners gave both John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan six-year deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Â Learned last night that the Niners gave both John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan six-year deals. What did they give Chip? Â What did we give the Rexit and Whales? Edited August 28, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Tank  Only if there's a Dareus for Osweiler trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 As a fan of the Bills (not just a specific regime - something a lot of these GMs seem to forget), this is so incredibly frustrating. The Rex Ryan hire was one of the most obvious and clear mistakes in franchise history. It set us back in more ways than people realized at the time, and the change in scheme has resulted in many players aging out of their prime with good teams, and other players deemed irrelevant. Â I'm not interested in assigning blame anymore, it's just pure frustration at this point and absolutely maddening that we can sit here and watch them telegraph so many mistakes to us. Â Will this regime turn it around? Should I be hyped by all these trades? I don't know, but I don't give them the benefit of the doubt. We've seen this script before, and it usually gets thrown out before the third act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Â Only if there's a Dareus for Osweiler trade. Sounds good to me. Tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So that was a sweet trade up for the Bills. Â Reggie Ragland cost them a second round pick, and 2 fourth round picks. Parlayed that into 0 games played and 1 fourth round pick in 2019. Â Maybe it's a fine trade for what he is worth (which appears to be about nothing), but it certainly is quite the indictment on that 2016 selection. That is why everyone in the front office is gone. Ragland was in trouble of not making the 53 so they took back all they could when he was going to be gone come saturday anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Thanks Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb_bound Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So in three years when we switch coaching staffs again and hire someone that wants to run a 3-4 defense we can start all over again. The Bills are a broken record at this point. McDermott and Beane are just too scared to completely break it down and start from scratch like they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 What did they give Chip? Â What did we give the Rexit and Whales? Â Not six? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Prediction: In a year or two, Reggie Ragland will be KC's version of Jerry Hughes (provided that Ragland is fully recovered from his injury). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So trading away Darby, Watkins, and Ragland for significantly less than their value isn't a fire sale? We haven't traded anyone for "significantly less than their value." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 This was not the mark of Levy's teams....plus you forgot blue collar and Buffalo guys....get all the cliches on one post That's what Marv and Jauron were building as GM/Coach respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Great pick Whaley That was Rex's pick. Hard to criticize the pick - he was a great fit in the D he was drafted for and nobody could have predicted that he would tear his ACL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We can be sure about one thing. All these trades show that the front office is aligned and they have a vision. Is it going to work? All we can do is hope. Â It can't be worse than the Rex/Whaley combo. This trade also serves as a reminder of that duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 @ChrisTrapasso #Bears really did well in '16 trade back w/ #Bills (for BUF to get Ragland) Netted Cody Whitehair, Deon Bush, Nick Kwiatkoski, Eddie Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nice so far Beane has turned two first round picks (Watkins) into one second round and a meh cb now a second round into a fourth.... great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nice so far Beane has turned two first round picks (Watkins) into one second round and a meh cb now a second round into a fourth.... great I think we could still get a sixth for Kyle Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We can be sure about one thing. All these trades show that the front office is aligned and they have a vision. Is it going to work? All we can do is hope. Â It can't be worse than the Rex/Whaley combo. This trade also serves as a reminder of that duo. It can most certainly be worse than Rex/Whaley and for most of the last 17 years it has been. How have we as a fan base not learned this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I think we could still get a sixth for Kyle Williams. Nice! If we act quickly we we can trade White and Jones for a 5th pick in 2021! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 What a HAUL! WHAT A HAUL! WOOHOOO! WE'RE GOING TO SUPERBOWL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Draft for 2nd and 4th, trade for 4th. Makes sense Wrong. Draft for 2nd and two 4ths. Another great Bills' trade-up. Edited August 28, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Prediction: In a year or two, Reggie Ragland will be KC's version of Jerry Hughes (provided that Ragland is fully recovered from his injury Wouldn't surprise me; talk about selling at the bottom of the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nice so far Beane has turned two first round picks (Watkins) into one second round and a meh cb now a second round into a fourth.... great  Let's trade the entire team for draft picks in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. That way, we finish 0-16, get 1st pick in 2018, and pay NO SALARY for this year. Great idea eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nice so far Beane has turned two first round picks (Watkins) into one second round and a meh cb now a second round into a fourth.... great  Well he could have lost Watkins for nothing and they might have cut Ragland and got nothing.  I'll take the 2 and the 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Â Not six? Doug as signed on for 7 years. He got 3 and then a 4 year extension. To match Rex's 5 year deal. Â How long of a contract you give someone is irrelevant if you can them early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 That's what Marv and Jauron were building as GM/Coach respectively. Sorry, didn't know you were referring to that. You just said Marv Levy teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Â No friggin way. Shoot me. I don't think they should extend Preston at this point. Let's see him play in this scheme this year. If he is back to his rookie form in a 4-3 then sure, extend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We can be sure about one thing. All these trades show that the front office is aligned and they have a vision. Is it going to work? All we can do is hope. It can't be worse than the Rex/Whaley combo. This trade also serves as a reminder of that duo. It doesn't show that they are aligned or have a vision that will work. They are doing a tear down but don't want to say that to the fans. Disingenuous really. It's a tear down rebuild and they are getting rid of the pices that don't fit their system. Except for the Watkins deal, which was just to avoid the possibility of looking bad when he had a good season and they didn't want to pay him. There is nothing saying their system will be better than Sexy Rexys for all we know. What sucks for the fans is that we know the organization spent a lot of draft capital on these players and the return for them is likely to produce role players or camp players at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Â Let's trade the entire team for draft picks in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. That way, we finish 0-16, get 1st pick in 2018, and pay NO SALARY for this year. Great idea eh? Outstanding! That's taking the long view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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