May Day 10 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I like the trade. I am all for getting picks. It is frustrating though, and I understand the negativity reflex A real indictment on Whaley. Its a wonder why this guy got so much praise amongst Bills fans. He stunk and I dont see him getting another GM gig any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I know people are always mad about everything because losing is all you know, but at least there is a clear plan in place and it's a long term plan. I do feel better about having a plan and a vision. Now, let's see it all come together. It won't happen overnight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 we are winning the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I know the narrative is that Ragland was a bad fit for the system, but I'm just not seeing that he showed anything to make us think that was the issue, rather than that he's just not a quality NFL LB. I'm a huge bama fan and was ready to buy a ragland jersey after the bills drafted him, but sometimes they just dont turn out like you want/expect. I'm glad they got a 4th in return, we're washing the stink of whaley and rex from this team for sure. I loved his potential coming out of college too, and had he been able to play last year I wonder if he would have been able to realize some of that potential. Rex called him the best player on the field (but Rex tends to exaggerate). He sure hasn't shown anything this year though, outside of a couple nice run stuffs. I could see him doing much better in KC though. That scheme is much closer to what he ran in college. I wish him the best there, just not this year. Although I don't have much hope of KC's 1st being too high anyway. It's most likely going to be a late round pick (with or without Ragland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Yet another Whaley blunder stricken from the records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Ragland was a Rex type of player. I don't think it was a "Whaley pick" per say. Either way, we get something for a guy who did not fit our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 It's a logical move. He was a 2nd rounder that had serious injury, wasn't a good 4-3 fit and wasn't getting any burn with even the 2nd team defense. You can't really hold his draft status against the current regime as they weren't involved in that. You get what you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 2019 draft picks? WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I do feel better about having a plan and a vision. Now, let's see it all come together. It won't happen overnight... Every failed coach/GM we had before had a plan and a vision. Matt Millen had a process too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Almost all my not liked players off the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Ragland was a Rex type of player. I don't think it was a "Whaley pick" per say. Either way, we get something for a guy who did not fit our defense. It does appear that the Rex guys are going bye bye Shaq Lawson better step up his game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We could also trade Shady for a condition 2nd rounder in 2022, rather than just cut him but I don't think those are our only options. Exactly. People act like it was cut him or trade him to the lowest bidder. The guy is just coming back from a major injury. No need to rush it and get rid of him cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Every failed coach/GM we had before had a plan and a vision. Matt Millen had a process too. so we should try no plan since other plans failed? Maybe we shouldn't draft players since players in the past have been busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 It doesn't matter. You deal with the guy or get more for him. It is a ridiculous trade. Edit: A ridiculous trade to a team we want to do poorly this year. Exactly, this is an absolute joke. Let the guy have this season to get up to speed & see what you have in him next year. To give him away after we traded up for him less than 2 years ago it just makes the Bills look dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 don't mind the move, but if it's a 4th it should be next year. A 3rd if having to wait till 2019. Or at least the ability for it to become a 3rd based on performance. A flat-out 4th seems low, but sometimes you can find a good pick in that round. the guy hasn't played a down in the NFL and is coming off a major knee injury that is not healed yet. And he probably starts the year on the PUP for KC. The Bills got good value for him. I am very surprised we got a 4th for Ragland given that he has shown NOTHING so far. Nice job McBean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Ragland was a Rex type of player. I don't think it was a "Whaley pick" per say. Either way, we get something for a guy who did not fit our defense. i agree with this. I picture Rex standing over a perspiring Whaley as Ragland drops to the 2nd round, threatening to out him for his online "viewing activity" at the office if he doesn't trade up for his guy. Edited August 28, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Every failed coach/GM we had before had a plan and a vision. Matt Millen had a process too. This is true...until the plan and vision actually translate to wins...people have a right to be skeptical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Why is it every single time we clean house on the defensive side it has to come with a switch between a 3-4 and a 4-3. Stache 600-600 4-3, Pettine 3-4, Schwartz 4-3, Rex 3-4, McDermott 4-3. The talent erosion would not have been nearly this bad if they just limited the house leaning moves to the same general scheme. Exactly right. Why people are saying Whaley made mistakes and not factoring in that he had to manage this landscape is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 It does appear that the Rex guys are going bye bye Shaq Lawson better step up his game Shaq isnt really playing that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 The importance of losing all of our games over the next two seasons cannot be overstated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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