corta765 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) This is always a sticky situation. OJ is one of the top players in NFL history, he was the face of the Bills and city until the Superbowl Bills, and his accomplishments have stood the test of time. He also probably (he was acquitted) killed two people and the stories before that of him as wife beater etc.. are beyond awful. I think the Bills have approached this correctly so far. You cannot erase his impact regardless of his fouls after. If the Bills put out a press release quietly on the day each year he hit over 2000 yds saying it happened I have zero problem. It happened and is an accomplishment. It doesn't need much fan fare either for it but it does recognize the accomplishment occuring. I read a piece on espn about RBs and their decreased value and how coaches are legitimately afraid to even say or compare a guy to OJ as the standard of what you'd want if you draft a RB #1 or pay him etc.. So it kinda hurts their ability to even compare RBs when one of the best is taboo to basically mention anyway. Edited March 31, 2017 by corta765 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Like this person said, "2003 yards in 14 games. Cant ever take that away from him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I still think his son did it... The 9 year old in me still defaults to greatest ever, not double murderer, when I think OJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Nope, he is a forgotten person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBillsBacker Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'm more of a "let it be in the past" kind of guy on this one. He is one of the greatest players in Bills history, but I wouldn't say THE greatest. That's Bruce Smith. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Tough call.He and L.T. i believe are the only felons in the HOF. One for Robbery,kidnapping. The other for sexual assault,with a minor. Both bad deeds,but their career was worthy. OJ had the juice...LT had the gin. Maybe they were just "Grandfathered" in, as I doubt we see Sharper get in on his serial rape scandel, tho even after his charges he was nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 The thing about OJ is, if you put him in todays NFL, in his prime, he would be just as good as he was back then. The guy was like smoke, youd think you had him and he would just be gone. He was so big and powerful, and just had such moves, speed, elusiveness. Truly one of the all all time greats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 What about a GoFundMe when hes parole eligible to help get him back in the saddle? I feel like its the least we as fans can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooshocker Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Let me start by sharing my condolences over the loss of Ron and Nicole and their families and friends! Now, should anyone like to study the facts leading up to the crime, during the trial and post verdict, please consider reading O.J. is Innocent and I can Prove it by William C. Dear. I, like many on this board and across the country never thought for a moment O.J. was not the killer of these two innocent victims. That said, for no other reason than reading pleasure, I dug into some long since and recently published evidence and as such, have no doubt that O.J. is not only innocent, the actual killer is named with more evidence than that which found O.J. justifiably "not guilty". I understand the sensitivity of this case, so many years later...however, read the book, you too might be shocked at what has finally been made public and why! PS - William C. Dear is a world renowned homicide investigator. For instance, he was appointed by the court to the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald. PPS - In my personal opinion, what he did on the field has nothing to do with what happened in his personal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 He did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Juice is up for parole this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 It's a big stinking pile of mess, still after all these years. Best to build a tall wall around it, and put a plaque on it. That's it. No need to ever look at it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooshocker Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 He did it. Well then, that settles it! Sorry for suggesting otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Tough call. I can see both sides. If I was owner I'd leave the name up but that's all. I wonder what his relationship with his children is, knowing he murdered their mother with a knife. I can't imagine they are still communicating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 He's on the Wall, so leave him there, but no ceremonies or further acknowledgements are warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'm with you. If it wasn't for him I'd never be a rabid Bills Fan. But his likely actions will forever disgust me. Leave him on the wall for his accomplishments, if you must, but never forget his atrocities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I dont know if i would take him down from the current stadium, but i certainly would not put him up in the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Let me start by sharing my condolences over the loss of Ron and Nicole and their families and friends! Now, should anyone like to study the facts leading up to the crime, during the trial and post verdict, please consider reading O.J. is Innocent and I can Prove it by William C. Dear. I, like many on this board and across the country never thought for a moment O.J. was not the killer of these two innocent victims. That said, for no other reason than reading pleasure, I dug into some long since and recently published evidence and as such, have no doubt that O.J. is not only innocent, the actual killer is named with more evidence than that which found O.J. justifiably "not guilty". I understand the sensitivity of this case, so many years later...however, read the book, you too might be shocked at what has finally been made public and why! PS - William C. Dear is a world renowned homicide investigator. For instance, he was appointed by the court to the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald. PPS - In my personal opinion, what he did on the field has nothing to do with what happened in his personal life. Interesting. Thanks for that perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I would remove his name, and any sign of him, from all of One Bills Drive/New Era, if I had it my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just like in the Ten Commandments movie where the Pharoah decrees that the name of "Moses" shall be stricken from every tongue, page, and tablet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Jim Kelly is my choice to rep the franchise, fan since 73. Juice did great work and that stands, no public appearances please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomper Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Are the new posters doing all this on purpose? Exactly. Wtf? I feel like the IQ level around here has plummeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I would remove his name, and any sign of him, from all of One Bills Drive/New Era, if I had it my way. i have a really hard time justifying it, and really the outpouring of people in favor of keeping him up is the only reason i think twice. its hard for me to say just leave it up but i suppose a little easier because its passive and just not doing anything. i couldnt bring myself to being the guy that ordered a new set of signage to go up in his name at the next stadium though. nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Acknowledge? I acknowledge he ran well. I would never ever honor him. It's a disgrace that his name is up on the wall. Sickens me every time and the rest of the country mocks Buffalo every time they see it. Totally unnecessary and should be removed. It's not Orwellian. It's deciding to not honor a wife beater double murderer. And as far as angering half the fan base, it's got to be easier to politically align with people not defending OJ. Edited March 31, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Let me start by sharing my condolences over the loss of Ron and Nicole and their families and friends! Now, should anyone like to study the facts leading up to the crime, during the trial and post verdict, please consider reading O.J. is Innocent and I can Prove it by William C. Dear. I, like many on this board and across the country never thought for a moment O.J. was not the killer of these two innocent victims. That said, for no other reason than reading pleasure, I dug into some long since and recently published evidence and as such, have no doubt that O.J. is not only innocent, the actual killer is named with more evidence than that which found O.J. justifiably "not guilty". I understand the sensitivity of this case, so many years later...however, read the book, you too might be shocked at what has finally been made public and why! PS - William C. Dear is a world renowned homicide investigator. For instance, he was appointed by the court to the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald. PPS - In my personal opinion, what he did on the field has nothing to do with what happened in his personal life. Is your real name William C. Dear? Just curious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 ...the league wide "WOF erasures" would be huge for indiscretions, whether egregious or minor that occurred outside of the white lines IMO....it is a football honor and nothing else.....do you start evicting guilty HOFer's and their busts?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Yes. A person is more than the worst thing they've ever done. Edited March 31, 2017 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 As my heir? Heavens no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Yes. A person is more than the worst thing they've ever done. Oh......how I pray that is true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Exactly. Wtf? I feel like the IQ level around here has plummeted. When I park next to your ivory tower can I have my parking validated? Relax, brah... it's the off-season and were smack dab in the middle of the doldrums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Yes. A person is more than the worst thing they've ever done. What if it's like a lot of bad things that have been ongoing for a long time but really hit a peak along the way with a double murder? Does having a charming smile and running fast really balance that all out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Let me start by sharing my condolences over the loss of Ron and Nicole and their families and friends! Now, should anyone like to study the facts leading up to the crime, during the trial and post verdict, please consider reading O.J. is Innocent and I can Prove it by William C. Dear. I, like many on this board and across the country never thought for a moment O.J. was not the killer of these two innocent victims. That said, for no other reason than reading pleasure, I dug into some long since and recently published evidence and as such, have no doubt that O.J. is not only innocent, the actual killer is named with more evidence than that which found O.J. justifiably "not guilty". I understand the sensitivity of this case, so many years later...however, read the book, you too might be shocked at what has finally been made public and why! PS - William C. Dear is a world renowned homicide investigator. For instance, he was appointed by the court to the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald. PPS - In my personal opinion, what he did on the field has nothing to do with what happened in his personal life. The book was a human experiment to prove that if you put it in a book, a portion of society will believe literally anything. William C. Dear thanks you for proving his experiment correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbobbob Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm quite sure I would recognize Detective Nordberg if I saw him. And so would you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilton Bills Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 . Great football player, great Bill but unfortunately not a great citizen in recent times. Very unfortunate.It would be a great experience to see the the Juice back at Rich Stadium (I still call it Rich Stadium and am a long time season ticket holder) but it will never happen. One of the the most dynamic and enigmatic players of the time and maybe all time but sad to say his personal demons overcast his football legacy. I would love to see him again but unfortunately that will not happen. Still wear the the OJ shirt at a game per season and wear it with pride for all he did for us. He would be the Jim Kelly of his era. Very sad indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Hell no. Do not acknowledge this man.He was a great player, but it all went to his head and he became a horrible person. He had all the opportunity in the world and he blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) . Great football player, great Bill but unfortunately not a great citizen in recent times. Very unfortunate.It would be a great experience to see the the Juice back at Rich Stadium (I still call it Rich Stadium and am a long time season ticket holder) but it will never happen. One of the the most dynamic and enigmatic players of the time and maybe all time but sad to say his personal demons overcast his football legacy. I would love to see him again but unfortunately that will not happen. Still wear the the OJ shirt at a game per season and wear it with pride for all he did for us. He would be the Jim Kelly of his era. Very sad indeed Even the term "recent times" is a bit generous.... abuse reports date back 30 years. He's had the public issues for essentially half his life now. If you assume that he got caught the first time that's still a pretty nasty 3 decade track record odds are he's been that guy even longer though. Edited April 1, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheyenneBillsFan Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 All due respect to the 2 people who died... who may or may not have died by his hands. Do you feel his on the field accomplishments should be recognized( wall of fame etc) Not sure I'm tracking here. His name is already on the wall. What else would you want? Aside from being on the wall, nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 OJ, sure. EJ? Not so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Acknowledge? I acknowledge he ran well. I would never ever honor him. It's a disgrace that his name is up on the wall. Sickens me every time and the rest of the country mocks Buffalo every time they see it. Totally unnecessary and should be removed. It's not Orwellian. It's deciding to not honor a wife beater double murderer. And as far as angering half the fan base, it's got to be easier to politically align with people not defending OJ. Life is a matter of degree, but there is a big difference between being imperfect and being a double murderer. I would scrub the name from the wall. But even if the pegulas don't do that, they should (and surely do) recognize the difference between acknowledging oj and acknowledging oj's athletic accomplishments. Acknowledging oj the person is not going to happen. For what it's worth, coming from a guy who does this for a living, I don't know if I've ever seen a murder case with as much inculpatory evidence as the oj case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 it's Orwellian to pretend he didn't exist Like the Confederate flag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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