boater Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 ..is the Don Esmonde lede I agree with most of what he says at http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/donn-esmonde/nfl-abandonment-of-st-louis-ups-the-ante-in-buffalo-20160123 Including the open ended statement: "Buffalo will thankfully be spared St. Louis’ fate. But in the game of stadium checkers, the pressure is on to keep up with the Kroenkes." I think the current pressure to move is "low" ... but if the Bills lose the next two seasons, the pressure is a red hot blowout to move. Opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 1st, don't read Donn Esmonde...2nd...the Bills will be staying in Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) On reflection, I disagree with the very first sentence "Anyone under the delusion that greed doesn’t rule the NFL needs to check the communal psyche in St. Louis.." I believe egoism and vanity ride in the first seat of owners motivation. Though, I can see profit desire in the back seat. Also, there's a difference between greed and wanting to be a sustainable business. Hard to explain in this union town. Edited January 23, 2016 by boater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 LOL! Stupid article. The Bills aren't leaving. On reflection, I disagree with the very first sentence "Anyone under the delusion that greed doesn’t rule the NFL needs to check the communal psyche in St. Louis.." I believe egoism and vanity ride in the first seat of owners motivation. Though, I can see profit desire in the back seat. Also, there's a difference between greed and wanting to be a sustainable business. Hard to explain in this union town. Yup. Ralph could have made more money elsewhere if he wanted but chose to stay in Buffalo. The Pegs' spent way more than anyone else would have to buy the team, so that they could keep it in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 LOL! Stupid article. The Bills aren't leaving. Keep wishing that. I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Keep wishing that. I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off. I'll bet whatever amount of money you want that they don't leave in the next 10 years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 I'll bet whatever amount of money you want that they don't leave in the next 10 years at least. That's a bet I want to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Keep wishing that. I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off. Yeah, because the owners that have spent $2B on the area and its sports teams will just up and leave their $2B investment Not A Chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Keep wishing that. I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off. I don't understand your logic; what difference would two more losing years make to Pegula? Bills fans have been supporting a loser for 15 years, you think that's going to suddenly evaporate if we have another couple 7-9 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 On reflection, I disagree with the very first sentence "Anyone under the delusion that greed doesn’t rule the NFL needs to check the communal psyche in St. Louis.." I believe egoism and vanity ride in the first seat of owners motivation. Though, I can see profit desire in the back seat. Also, there's a difference between greed and wanting to be a sustainable business. Hard to explain in this union town. The Rams moved up like 25 spots in value with the move. Vanity and greed are together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I didn't waste my time on that article, but I'm guessing the writer didn't address the NFL cross-ownership rules: The League codified this approach in an amendment to its Constitution and Bylaws that allows cross-ownership in another major league sports team in two narrow circumstances: (1) if the two franchises are in the same city, or (2) if the other league’s franchise is in a neutral market, defined as one that doesn’t currently host an NFL team and is not deemed a potential NFL city. http://www.theofficialreview.com/nfl-cross-ownership-rules/ To move the Bills the Pegulas would have to sell the Sabres (or the Bills) or the NFL would have to claim that they no longer consider Buffalo a potential NFL city. It'd be really tough to sell that last one and I don't see the Pegulas selling a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 The NFL is running out of viable markets. The LA situation will fail, again, because the demographics have changed so much since the last team left. There simply are not enough people in the LA area who care enough AND can afford to support a franchise. Drawing from San Diego, Oakland etc. wears pretty fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 ..is the Don Esmonde lede I agree with most of what he says at http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/donn-esmonde/nfl-abandonment-of-st-louis-ups-the-ante-in-buffalo-20160123 Including the open ended statement: "Buffalo will thankfully be spared St. Louis’ fate. But in the game of stadium checkers, the pressure is on to keep up with the Kroenkes." I think the current pressure to move is "low" ... but if the Bills lose the next two seasons, the pressure is a red hot blowout to move. Opinion. Move....where? This is silly. If the Bills "lose"? They aren't going anywhere. Win or lose. Kroenke, who's move to LA has been, what, 2 years in the making (the least surprising "surprise" of any team in team moving history) and LA have nothing to do with a new stadium in Buffalo. This discussion began well before the Rams left for LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Move....where? This is silly. If the Bills "lose"? They aren't going anywhere. Win or lose. Kroenke, who's move to LA has been, what, 2 years in the making (the least surprising "surprise" of any team in team moving history) and LA have nothing to do with a new stadium in Buffalo. This discussion began well before the Rams left for LA. Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSNBDSC Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Donn Esmonde Agenda http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/168539-donn-esmonde-agenda/?hl=donn+esmonde Ignore the noise. As a professional writer he needs to create new work, not keep regurgitating the same old "the sky is falling" stuff. Google him and see how many times he's wrote about this. You'll see another article about this in two years. Agenda Stayin Edited January 24, 2016 by tsnbd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) ..is the Don Esmonde lede I agree with most of what he says at http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/donn-esmonde/nfl-abandonment-of-st-louis-ups-the-ante-in-buffalo-20160123 Including the open ended statement: "Buffalo will thankfully be spared St. Louis’ fate. But in the game of stadium checkers, the pressure is on to keep up with the Kroenkes." I think the current pressure to move is "low" ... but if the Bills lose the next two seasons, the pressure is a red hot blowout to move. Opinion. If greed is the motivating factor what would winning do? Sell more tickets? I am not sure that is what Owner's have in mind when they want to move. They have a number of other reasons to move besides increasing ticket sales, and none of these would be accomplished by winning. A new stadium in the area might, but winning by itself? no. Edited January 24, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Edmonde was the doom and gloom guy that warned us for years that economic realities made it impossible for the bills to remain. Did he ever officially eat crow on the record when the pegulas saved the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 So in other words, doomed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Ralph Wilson Stadium is fine, Pegula will make plenty of money without a new stadium. The rest of the owners, Snyder, Jerrah, Blank, those are the greedy !@#$s that want more money. Bunch of pricks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) So in other words, doomed?Everyone dies. Have a nice day. But seriously, why shouldn't RWS be replaced when it's 50 years old? Edited January 24, 2016 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 The bills are safe in buffalo barring any major catastrophe with the pegula family. I was almost certain they would move too as wilson was in his final years too. They're fine now. Enjoy the security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 This is dumb doesn't matter Could have been us but Stl has lost a team TWICE in 30 years atleast they got a super bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 ..is the Don Esmonde lede I agree with most of what he says at http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/donn-esmonde/nfl-abandonment-of-st-louis-ups-the-ante-in-buffalo-20160123 Including the open ended statement: "Buffalo will thankfully be spared St. Louis’ fate. But in the game of stadium checkers, the pressure is on to keep up with the Kroenkes." I think the current pressure to move is "low" ... but if the Bills lose the next two seasons, the pressure is a red hot blowout to move. Opinion. complete BS, doesn't matter what our record is we are staying Keep wishing that. I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off. based on ? Yeah, because the owners that have spent $2B on the area and its sports teams will just up and leave their $2B investment Not A Chance plus the new stadium they are going to build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Lame thread. Bills aren't going anywhere soon and certainly not in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 As long as the Pegulas own the team, they will go nowhere - new stadium or not. I do feel a new stadium will be built eventually. We don't need a 2 billion dollar stadium like LA and it wouldn't cost $2 billion to build a stadium in Buffalo no matter anyway. Land is not at a premium like in LA. The fact of the matter is that the NFL is set up so that all teams should be successful financially no matter what the market size. The league needs teams in places like Buffalo, Green Bay, Kansas City, Pittsburgh and Cleveland even if the owners don't make as much in those markets as they do in the large markets. If that's an issue then just eliminate all of the smaller markets with their smaller bottom lines yet loyal fan bases and make it a league in the only wealthy big markets and see how well that goes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Keep wishing that. I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off. There's nothing to wish for. The Bills could have been gone twenty years ago, with an owner with less pockets than the Pegula's. Bills aren't going anywhere for the forseeable future. Enjoy that and stop letting tired writers with tired viewpoints scare you into paying them attention. If my aunt was a man she'd be my uncle. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Forgive me if I believe Terry Pegula when he said ""We all just bought a team, our team, the Buffalo Bills. And the name of our team will not change; it will stay the Buffalo Bills." - over some hack writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 That's a bet I want to lose. and you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) I don't understand your logic; what difference would two more losing years make to Pegula? Bills fans have been supporting a loser for 15 years, you think that's going to suddenly evaporate if we have another couple 7-9 years? Yes. I think more future losing seasons would severely affect ticket sales, decreasing revenue and then the pressure will be on for the Bills to do something, which could be a move. There's some over confidence here that what was, will be. Supporting losers for 15 years: nothing goes on forever. Generation Z is the future fan base. Marketers find Gen Z has less loyalty compared to previous generations (result: they won't invest in a losing record). But Gen Z will invest in a good value (meaning a winning record) The ticket buying fan base will be reduced by aging. Buffalo has the third oldest population in the country Much of the fan base is leaving WNY If the Bills win = the future WNY fans will support them If they lose = they won't be supported as well as they are today...and the NFL pressure will be on for some kind of change On the flip side. I don't see any other city that would be better than Buffalo. I think the two teams in LA will be a fail. Edited January 24, 2016 by boater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Yes. I think more future losing seasons would severely affect ticket sales, decreasing revenue and then the pressure will be on to keep the Bills in town (or a new stadium). Supporting losers for 15 years: nothing goes on forever. Ticket sales are a tiny blip on the radar when it comes to revenue. The TV contract is worth billions This is a non-starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 So funny. I saw the headline on TBD front page and the first thought that came to mind was, "must be a Donn Esmonde editorial." Clicked on it only to confirm, didn't even read it. I still remember the article from YEARS ago in which Esmonde proclaimed Buffalo would be better off without the Bills and predicting fans wouldn't care if they moved to Toronto. Douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 . Hard to explain in this union town. This statement shows your political agenda and bias. Let the rich billionaires scare the simple minded fans into spending tons of public money so the rich owners can get richer on the backs of the taxpayers. My bias is that it is time for the federal government to get tough with all the special breaks we grant the NFL owners, and force them to run their businesses with private money, not drink milk at the public trough. Ban public sports facility investments in private for profit sports ventures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 based on ? The general senses of paranoia and malaise that come with being a Western New Yorker and a Bills fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Yes. I think more future losing seasons would severely affect ticket sales, decreasing revenue and then the pressure will be on for the Bills to do something, which could be a move. There's some over confidence here that what was, will be. Supporting losers for 15 years: nothing goes on forever. Generation Z is the future fan base. Marketers find Gen Z has less loyalty compared to previous generations (result: they won't invest in a losing record). But Gen Z will invest in a good value (meaning a winning record) The ticket buying fan base will be reduced by aging. Buffalo has the third oldest population in the country Much of the fan base is leaving WNY If the Bills win = the future WNY fans will support them If they lose = they won't be supported as well as they are today...and the NFL pressure will be on for some kind of change On the flip side. I don't see any other city that would be better than Buffalo. I think the two teams in LA will be a fail. So the team has missed the playoffs the past 16 seasons and still been supported, but the next 2 years are critical and if they continue to lose will lose support? How do you figure? And how do you figure they'll never make the playoffs again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Yes. I think more future losing seasons would severely affect ticket sales, decreasing revenue and then the pressure will be on for the Bills to do something, which could be a move. There's some over confidence here that what was, will be. Supporting losers for 15 years: nothing goes on forever. Generation Z is the future fan base. Marketers find Gen Z has less loyalty compared to previous generations (result: they won't invest in a losing record). But Gen Z will invest in a good value (meaning a winning record) The ticket buying fan base will be reduced by aging. Buffalo has the third oldest population in the country Much of the fan base is leaving WNY If the Bills win = the future WNY fans will support them If they lose = they won't be supported as well as they are today...and the NFL pressure will be on for some kind of change On the flip side. I don't see any other city that would be better than Buffalo. I think the two teams in LA will be a fail. What "NFL pressure"? Kroenke couldn't WAIT to leave that cow town. He announced to the NFL that he bought that Inglewood plot 2 years ago. He announced that he was building an LA stadium on this land a year ago. The Bills were never moving to LA...or Toronto (the real laugher!). They aren't going to move. This stuff was silly before the Pegulas and is more so now. The paranoia just won't end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Fans are not dumb you take any Cowboys fan or fan in one of these multi billion dollar play pens and bring them to a Buffalo Game day experience and they will tell you hands down what happens here and places like Greenbay and K.C. is special. Most feel that what happens here is fun and what a real game day experience should be about. So stand up and be proud. I for one am thankful for a awesome game day experience and how close the stands are to the field and the whole atmosphere out at the Ralph. There is no place on game day I would rather be then right there. When it's too small and doesn't make enough money for Jerry Jones it's Just right for us. Boy Marv Levi would be proud. GO BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I thought this stuff was over? The sooner these dinosaurs with their pessimistic, "woe is us" defeatist "because Buffalo" attitudes retire and stop printing this crap the better. How much more clear could the Pegulas be about their intentions? This is insulting, unnecessary, and serves no purpose but to upset people over something that is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Kroenke married into walmart money.....he didn't build it. St Louis is a baseball town doesn't support the Rams. Wanted to go to Los Angeles- Pegula has cemented the Bills in Buffalo I don't even think about it dont read Don Esmonde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 The sooner these dinosaurs with their pessimistic, "woe is us" defeatist "because Buffalo" attitudes retire and stop printing this crap the better. I agree with this. We have to shake the negativity and feeling of inferiority in this town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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