Niagara Bill Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 When Trent was here 1 very noticeable trait he had was demanding a coat on his shoulders for every time out. Before talking to the coach, or showing leadership he was focused on himself not the game. I hated this action. A real leader would not even think of the coat. JK showed toughness Trent showed he was a wimp. EJ now wears a closed front helmet with visor. The spacing in the eye area is small with extra bars and then a visor added. His vision is restricted and most important in the huddle eye contact with his teammates is interfered with. Real winning QBs like Manning (2), Brady, Russell Wilson, Favre, Cutler, Roethlisberger want to see, be seen by teammates, and show emotion and strength in the huddle. Can you imagine JK chewing out House Ballard hiding behind a shield, Many QBs used to unstrap the helmet in the huddle to look at teammates in the eyes and then snap it at the line. EJ hides. RBs and Lineman can hide, QBs have to lead. This is an observation but in my thoughts one that is troubling. (ps, changing the helmet does not make him a leader but using it is a symbol of isolation rather than strength of leadership.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I read that he would need a medical reason to wear in a real game. It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Seriously, if you could change 1 thing you would go with the visor? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 yes, it tells me that he has restricted vision and he has not grasped the concept of leadership, a most important aspect of being the QB, seriously Caveman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'd change his name to JE. Just a personal preference. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I would chose either "the ability to anticipate receivers who are about to come open" or "better accuracy". Seriously, who gives a rat's ass if he wears a visor or wants a jacket on the sidelines? Do you think anyone cares about this crap if the QB in question has proven himself to be a quality NFL QB? If Manuel improves I hope we can put all this stuff behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 wow.. the idiocy of this board is reaching new daily heights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'm not sure I read this correctly but I think you said... "Man, if I could have ANYTHING in the world. Just one wish? I'd really love some salt on these greasy, undercooked french fries!" You don't want fresher fries? Less grease? A better cook? Seriously though, I don't doubt EJ as a leader. And I certainly don't believe his helmet is making him less of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I would change his indecisiveness Or his ability to get through his entire Progression on a regular basis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. ... I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but... Graham and Wilson both went to NC State... Maybe they didn't pick Wilson because he went to a "garbage program"? Last time I checked, Kutztown has a garbage program, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. Very likely that Wilson wouldn't have developed the same in Buffalo. Coaching is a big part of most QBs development, and we've lacked decent coaching for a long while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Very likely that Wilson wouldn't have developed the same in Buffalo. Coaching is a big part of most QBs development, and we've lacked decent coaching for a long while now. +1 Also may not have gotten the same opportunity, at least as quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If I could change one thing for EJ it would be his height...he's too tall. All the good QB's are 6'1 or 6'2". He needs to drop a few inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. since when is NC St a garbage program? Smh I'm sure they would like that pick back. The GM isn't in that role anymore. Time to move on. Edited August 13, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 JP Losman had long hair. If he was bald like Jim Kelly we probably would have won at least 2-3 AFC East championships. That is the only thing I would have changed about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 When Trent was here 1 very noticeable trait he had was demanding a coat on his shoulders for every time out. Before talking to the coach, or showing leadership he was focused on himself not the game. I hated this action. A real leader would not even think of the coat. JK showed toughness Trent showed he was a wimp. EJ now wears a closed front helmet with visor. The spacing in the eye area is small with extra bars and then a visor added. His vision is restricted and most important in the huddle eye contact with his teammates is interfered with. Real winning QBs like Manning (2), Brady, Russell Wilson, Favre, Cutler, Roethlisberger want to see, be seen by teammates, and show emotion and strength in the huddle. Can you imagine JK chewing out House Ballard hiding behind a shield, Many QBs used to unstrap the helmet in the huddle to look at teammates in the eyes and then snap it at the line. EJ hides. RBs and Lineman can hide, QBs have to lead. This is an observation but in my thoughts one that is troubling. (ps, changing the helmet does not make him a leader but using it is a symbol of isolation rather than strength of leadership.) Seriously??? This is the 1 thing you would change?? How about changing his anticipation? He's wearing the exact same facemask as he did last year but has added a clear visor. So there are no extra bars blocking his vision. Maybe he got poked in the eye at one point and wants to protect against that. Cam Newton also wore a clear visor all of last season, possibly for his whole career. Come on man!!! I read that he would need a medical reason to wear in a real game. It's all good. I believe you only need the medical waiver to wear a tinted visor, not a clear one. Stevie wore a clear one for parts of his time in Buffalo as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I believe you only need the medical waiver to wear a tinted visor, not a clear one. Stevie wore a clear one for parts of his time in Buffalo as well. oh I see. Well in that case, doomed! Edited August 13, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) When Trent was here 1 very noticeable trait he had was demanding a coat on his shoulders for every time out. Before talking to the coach, or showing leadership he was focused on himself not the game. I hated this action. A real leader would not even think of the coat. JK showed toughness Trent showed he was a wimp. EJ now wears a closed front helmet with visor. The spacing in the eye area is small with extra bars and then a visor added. His vision is restricted and most important in the huddle eye contact with his teammates is interfered with. Real winning QBs like Manning (2), Brady, Russell Wilson, Favre, Cutler, Roethlisberger want to see, be seen by teammates, and show emotion and strength in the huddle. Can you imagine JK chewing out House Ballard hiding behind a shield, Many QBs used to unstrap the helmet in the huddle to look at teammates in the eyes and then snap it at the line. EJ hides. RBs and Lineman can hide, QBs have to lead. This is an observation but in my thoughts one that is troubling. (ps, changing the helmet does not make him a leader but using it is a symbol of isolation rather than strength of leadership.) You mean Trent was also a coat wearing Mary? I missed that one. As for EJ I think you are right despite all of the criticism you have received. The visor thing denotes an aura of selfishness as you point out. I noticed this even before you did. On draft night EJ wore a pink tie to honor his mother's struggles with breast cancer. At first look this was a nice gesture and a shout out to his mom. I believe he meant it to be just that and his selfishness was sublimational. But his pink tie had stripes, which are manly and an attempt to show his masculine side. It should have been a more feminine tie if he really wanted to highlight his mom. Maybe something flowery. Anyway the tie is the 2nd thing I would change about EJ. The first thing I would change about him is his OC. I feel he would benefit from working with someone that needs to shave in the morning. Edited August 13, 2014 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't know about changing EJ but the genie and I will be talking about his fans. kj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'd change his name to Johnny Unitas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'd change his name to JE. Just a personal preference. That is all. Je Manuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Or officially change his last name to III and middle name to Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Or officially change his last name to III and middle name to Manuel. I always preferred Sylvia Kristel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. Ha! The further you get from it, it just seems worse and worse. Didn't want to damage Ryan Pickspatrick's delicate ego by drafting a quarterback to develop/as an insurance policy. Because he was the franchise baby!! Oh Buddy. Dagumit all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I would change the visor he wears on the sidelines. C'mon bro. Everyone knows visors are so 1990's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. Apology not accepted...I wanted him badly, as well. I like EJ quite a bit and I know that we wouldn't have the same Wilson as Seattle has now. However, it would have opened up different options for our drafting from last year to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. Agree'd Sometimes the past Bills leaders were more like the blind leading the blind ! Hopefully Whaley will be the new era to the Bills changing things around ! I just hope if he doesn't see all that it takes from EJ to put our team where it needs to be he's not afraid to pull the trigger . But if laying back & putting all your eggs in EJ's basket this year with all of the talent that was in this draft at the QB position (compared to EJ's draft class) & not picking up a insurance policy like the Redskins did i just hope DJ see's what he needs to see in EJ ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I do not agree that we would have had a different iteration of Russell Wilson. The kid had a winners mentality that was there for all to see, he was a 2 sport success which tells you a lot about drive/commitment/character, he has the smarts, the arm, the athleticism and the leadership capabilities.....they were all there to see at the lead-up to the draft (and were discussed by many on this board). The point is that, even though we don't have the same supporting cast as SEA, you would still see these same qualities come out provided he had the stage to perform. We would have seen enough to feel good about the QB position today (I totally fuk'd up where TJ went to school...I got it crossed with our other loser WR pick from UConn - was thinking UConn...SORRY about that!) Edited August 13, 2014 by filthymcnasty08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Still burns me that Russell Wilson was there for us ---and we picked a loser WR from a garbage program. We wouldn't be having all of this EJ talk... sorry. It still burns me that Joe Montana was there in round three for us instead of John Borchardt… And Tom Brady was there for us around six instead of Leif Larson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If i could change 1 thing about EJ? Think I would change his completion %! I would make it 100%. This would help the team a lot more. I really dont think the "visor" is that important to the team......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braedenstearns Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Really? The most thing people say about EJ is he has bad accuracy...Lets see! I have one thing to change?..Uhm! His visor or his tie? really? How about the thing this board always companions about, his ACCURACY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I want him to trust in his abilities and flaunt his talent a bit. (hopefully that will only count as one thing since showing some moxie is an extension of him trusting himself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Ok. So the original post is pretty absurd. But, keep in mind, much of the apparrell that players wear is required by the NFL, and their marketing department. QB's are the most visible players on the field, normally... you may not believe it, and I am not 100% certain in this case, but often, when you see a guy getting draped in a coat, or putting on a wool cap, even though he is clearly sweating his nads off, it is becasue they are required to do it. I think it was Tim Hasselback, or maybe it was Dilfer, a few years ago, talking about this...it was one of the bald, or balding QBs. He said "the last thing I want to do, when I am playing a game in Miami in September, is throw on a ball cap...but I am required to, you just get used to it" I am sure some guys do things as a matter of personal preference (Rob Johnson and those freaking bandanas!), but a lot of it is required. The visor thing is widespread in training camps this season. I would bet, players are getting a few bucks to sport them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Ha! The further you get from it, it just seems worse and worse. Didn't want to damage Ryan Pickspatrick's delicate ego by drafting a quarterback to develop/as an insurance policy. Because he was the franchise baby!! Oh Buddy. Dagumit all. Well, they are doing the same thing with their current starter. zero competition. But I get it he has onlyPlayed 10 games in the NFL and was hurt for the rest. So massage his ego and tell him he's the man. is there anywhere else where this has worked? Seriously do not know. Winning teams don't do this. if he goes down with a serious injury this year then what? Does anyone think the backups can win even 2 in a row. the season Will be flushed, along with a bunch of jobs on OBD. Honestly, I would have no problem with that either. The rebuild is 14+ years, what is 4-5 more going to hurt. The TJ Graham pick and they moved up for it, may be worse than signing Merriman. No it is worse, we could have had a darn good QB. The question is could they have developed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 ...and most important in the huddle eye contact with his teammates is interfered with. Real winning QBs like Manning (2), Brady, Russell Wilson, Favre, Cutler, Roethlisberger want to see, be seen by teammates, and show emotion and strength in the huddle..... They run no huddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) They run no huddle This visor looks pretty clear to me..... If i can see his eyes, i think someone standing next to him in the huddle can.... Edited August 13, 2014 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 This visor looks pretty clear to me..... If i can see his eyes, i think someone standing next to him in the huddle can.... So does this information now make EJ the perfect QB in the eyes of the OP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 You mean Trent was also a coat wearing Mary? I missed that one. As for EJ I think you are right despite all of the criticism you have received. The visor thing denotes an aura of selfishness as you point out. I noticed this even before you did. On draft night EJ wore a pink tie to honor his mother's struggles with breast cancer. At first look this was a nice gesture and a shout out to his mom. I believe he meant it to be just that and his selfishness was sublimational. But his pink tie had stripes, which are manly and an attempt to show his masculine side. It should have been a more feminine tie if he really wanted to highlight his mom. Maybe something flowery. Anyway the tie is the 2nd thing I would change about EJ. The first thing I would change about him is his OC. I feel he would benefit from working with someone that needs to shave in the morning. When Trent was here 1 very noticeable trait he had was demanding a coat on his shoulders for every time out. Before talking to the coach, or showing leadership he was focused on himself not the game. I hated this action. A real leader would not even think of the coat. JK showed toughness Trent showed he was a wimp. EJ now wears a closed front helmet with visor. The spacing in the eye area is small with extra bars and then a visor added. His vision is restricted and most important in the huddle eye contact with his teammates is interfered with. Real winning QBs like Manning (2), Brady, Russell Wilson, Favre, Cutler, Roethlisberger want to see, be seen by teammates, and show emotion and strength in the huddle. Can you imagine JK chewing out House Ballard hiding behind a shield, Many QBs used to unstrap the helmet in the huddle to look at teammates in the eyes and then snap it at the line. EJ hides. RBs and Lineman can hide, QBs have to lead. This is an observation but in my thoughts one that is troubling. (ps, changing the helmet does not make him a leader but using it is a symbol of isolation rather than strength of leadership.) What if the visor, if it is tinted, is to hide his eyes from the defense? What if the visor reduces glare? What if nobody give a shite about this.... This visor looks pretty clear to me..... If i can see his eyes, i think someone standing next to him in the huddle can.... I feel like I have seen him in a tinted visor in practice. There are still a ton of players who wear them. I am sure a "medical reason" is not hard to prove for stuff like this. Most likely about as difficult as getting some medical Mary Jane in certain states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Well, they are doing the same thing with their current starter. zero competition. But I get it he has only Played 10 games in the NFL and was hurt for the rest. So massage his ego and tell him he's the man. is there anywhere else where this has worked? Seriously do not know. Winning teams don't do this. if he goes down with a serious injury this year then what? Does anyone think the backups can win even 2 in a row. the season Will be flushed, along with a bunch of jobs on OBD. Honestly, I would have no problem with that either. The rebuild is 14+ years, what is 4-5 more going to hurt. The TJ Graham pick and they moved up for it, may be worse than signing Merriman. No it is worse, we could have had a darn good QB. The question is could they have developed him. Geez, people need to get off of Wilsons n***..... He was a better pick than Graham obviously, but Seattle had him starting backup to Flynn if you remember, Despite what people claim, most did not "know" he was going to be a decent qb, and the jury is still out if he is going to be a great qb. Also who does Seattle have to backup Wilson? Jackson and Pryor? Why didn't they draft someone "just in case" to develop and stuff? Its a whole bunch of what ifs and its obnoxious. For every Russell Wilson we could've picked up "as a diamond in the rough" there are a few other QBs we could have wasted picked on too. Just because you witnessed one (russell wilson), or two (tom brady) does not mean we should start wasting draft picks hoping to find one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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