Success Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Mind you - I am not saying we will or should be SB favorites, or even considered a top 3-4 contender. But losing Diggs changes very little, imo. A lot will depend on who we get in the 1st round this year, and if they can adjust quickly to the pro's. Diggs did nothing for us in the past 2 playoff losses, and his production was way down the entire 2nd half of last season (when we made our run). Just responding to thoughts in the Diggs thread that his trade clearly means a year off, and a rebuild. To me, it means a trade up for a better receiver, and we'll still be contending. I don't see this as some sort of window-closer. 2 1 1 2 6 2 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Ok 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) Give it up man....we are looking at a 2 year re-tooling phase right now. It's not a bad thing. Bills will be fine in the long run. You are nuts if your expectation is a Super Bowl win in 2024 Edited April 3 by BillsPride12 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said: Give it up man....we are looking at a 2 year re-tooling phase right now. It's not a bad thing. Bills will be fine in the long run. You are nuts if your expectation is a Super Bowl win in 2024 I don't think it's any more nuts than our expectations were last year. All we need is a ticket to the playoffs, for the defense to show up, and for Josh to play like Josh The rest will sort itself out - and losing Diggs really doesn't impact the feasibility of winning it all in 2024 2 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Any year with 17 is a year in which the window is open. It was WIDE open in 23. It is now open about an inch. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 We aren't making the playoffs folks 1 5 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 This season is a wash. Too much turnover in one offseason. This is a straight rebuild. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: We aren't making the playoffs folks Well, part of the reason for this thread was to give it a bump next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Having a franchise QB means you always have a chance... but the size of that chance varies based off the roster and what your going against. Right now the Bills are at best a wildcard team as they seemingly reset the roster. Betting that young players will come in the draft and be immediate impact players is fools gold. Sure maybe 25-26 the impact becomes real, but it takes a good season to truly learn the way of the NFL and with that unless they bring in another top target the offense is limited even with Josh. I am bracing for a non playoff year and if they even make the playoffs it will feel like a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I think if we go back and look at that God awful Chiefs message board from back when they traded Hill many would have been saying their window was over... rebuild as well. They went on to win the next 2 Super Bowls. So, to your point, I agree that anything is possible and with Allen we always have the possibility of catching fire late and running the table. This will be a new look team come week 1. Many of the vets we have grown accustomed to seeing as team leaders and core players are gone. We have seen who steps up to take their place both on the field and in the locker room as leaders. Team captain vote this year should be telling. I think much of what we will see for the 2024 Bills will be the formation of the "new core" that with emerge going forward to the next window of opportunity. Playoffs would be a success this year IMO. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 28 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I don't think it's any more nuts than our expectations were last year. All we need is a ticket to the playoffs, for the defense to show up, and for Josh to play like Josh The rest will sort itself out - and losing Diggs really doesn't impact the feasibility of winning it all in 2024 I'm not making that statement strictly based on losing Diggs. I'm factoring in the losses of Morse, Poyer, White, Gabe Davis, Leonard Floyd as well. It's just too much roster turnover for one season. Of course they aren't going to come out and talk like it in front of the media but I guarantee you behind closed doors even Beane and McDermott are approaching the next couple years like a quick reset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udubalum07 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I don't think there is any doubt in my mind that they could win it this year. The team was 3 dropped passes where if one of those was completed, one off balanced throw to an open receiver and a missed routine fg away from beating this year's super bowl winner. We gain big pieces back on defense, and I truly don't think the receiver losses hurt them all that much. Better injury luck and hit on a receiver in the draft and I think they are in good shape. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 55 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: We aren't making the playoffs folks We absolutely are. No doubt about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, MJS said: We absolutely are. No doubt about it. We barely did this year and we are exponentially worse at multiple positions. 9-8 season incoming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 37 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I think if we go back and look at that God awful Chiefs message board from back when they traded Hill many would have been saying their window was over... rebuild as well. They went on to win the next 2 Super Bowls. So, to your point, I agree that anything is possible and with Allen we always have the possibility of catching fire late and running the table. This will be a new look team come week 1. Many of the vets we have grown accustomed to seeing as team leaders and core players are gone. We have seen who steps up to take their place both on the field and in the locker room as leaders. Team captain vote this year should be telling. I think much of what we will see for the 2024 Bills will be the formation of the "new core" that with emerge going forward to the next window of opportunity. Playoffs would be a success this year IMO. The Chiefs also got rid of talent on the oline and defense and relied on young players and rookies. The key is they hit on draft picks. The Bills need to do the same. Just now, KDIGGZ said: We barely did this year and we are exponentially worse at multiple positions. 9-8 season incoming! The Bills were the 2 seed! They won 11 games. Stop this nonsense. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: We barely did this year and we are exponentially worse at multiple positions. 9-8 season incoming! Are we worse at the positions where we had guys injured? 3 starting LB's, 3 starting CB's, 2 D-linemen, WR, & safety? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: Give it up man....we are looking at a 1 year re-tooling phase right now. It's not a bad thing. Bills will be fine in the long run. You are nuts if your expectation is a Super Bowl win in 2024 FIFY. And I still see the Bills as favorites in the East this year because quite frankly, our division could be pretty bad. I think 10 wins might take it this year. The Jets are the only threat (last year it was Miami), and it is highly unlikely they will stay healthy. Edited April 3 by buffblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: We barely did this year and we are exponentially worse at multiple positions. 9-8 season incoming! The offense is worse at multiple positions, the defense healthy may be equal or better. The problem is the offense matters wayyyy more and right now the cupboard is as bare as it has been for Josh since 2018 (it is not that bad for the record but certainly is rough). People really need to soften their expectations for the offense as even with two new WRs who could be drafted in the first 3 rounds it typically takes a year just for a player to get seasoned, the o line is in transition with Morse gone, they have a new OC, and even if everything is perfect it still takes time to gel. On paper this is easily the worst the team has been since 2019 and a wildcard is probably a solid season at this point. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 minutes ago, buffblue said: FIFY. And I still see the Bills as favorites in the East this year because quite frankly, our division could be pretty bad. I think 10 wins might take it this year. The Jets are the only threat (last year it was Miami), and it is highly unlikely they will stay healthy. I think it's entirely possible they still win 10 plus games and win the division again. I never said they were going to suck this year. The topic of this thread was that the Bills can still win a Super Bowl this year. That's where I completely disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, BillsPride12 said: I think it's entirely possible they still win 10 plus games and win the division again. I never said they were going to suck this year. The topic of this thread was that the Bills can still win a Super Bowl this year. That's where I completely disagree. You may be right, but let's give it some time. There is a lot of offseason to go. I'll make my judgment in August 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: Give it up man....we are looking at a 2 year re-tooling phase right now. It's not a bad thing. Bills will be fine in the long run. You are nuts if your expectation is a Super Bowl win in 2024 Why is it nuts ? Buffalo nearly beat the Chiefs last year without their whole LB core. Diggs was a total non-factor and IMO a real distraction his last couple years. God bless him for his help in Josh’s development, but his time was up and I am ecstatic they got something out of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 minutes ago, buffblue said: You may be right, but let's give it some time. There is a lot of offseason to go. I'll make my judgment in August Nope we make final decisions today, its over pack it up lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 14 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Why is it nuts ? Buffalo nearly beat the Chiefs last year without their whole LB core. Diggs was a total non-factor and IMO a real distraction his last couple years. God bless him for his help in Josh’s development, but his time was up and I am ecstatic they got something out of it. Too much roster turnover, too many variables, and ultimately I think we will head into the season with too many holes. Sure we will fill some holes in the draft but they won't be able to fill them all and even if we hit on some draft picks you have to anticipate some rookie struggles coming. It's irrelevant comparing what the Bills did last year as this team is going to look significantly different this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Every year 17 is our QB , we can absolutely win a SB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: We aren't making the playoffs folks $50 to St. Jude's Charity to the loser of this. Bills will make the playoffs. Deal? I think they win the division too. Edited April 3 by Royale with Cheese 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Change thread title to ‘We can still win the East’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) Sure we can. If Stef hauled in that bomb that Allen hit him square in the mitts with against KC, we had a chance to win it a couple months ago. Edited April 3 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 It's hard to win in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 10 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Change thread title to ‘We can still win the East’. "Will fans still try to jump in the pit" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I’m just being real, this roster is dooky on paper. On paper doesn’t mean anything, it’s dooky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: We aren't making the playoffs folks Wanna bet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 hours ago, Success said: Mind you - I am not saying we will or should be SB favorites, or even considered a top 3-4 contender. But losing Diggs changes very little, imo. A lot will depend on who we get in the 1st round this year, and if they can adjust quickly to the pro's. Diggs did nothing for us in the past 2 playoff losses, and his production was way down the entire 2nd half of last season (when we made our run). Just responding to thoughts in the Diggs thread that his trade clearly means a year off, and a rebuild. To me, it means a trade up for a better receiver, and we'll still be contending. I don't see this as some sort of window-closer. The Sabres can still get in the playoffs THIS YEAR TOO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I look at it as there must have been something to the talk about Diggs being in what ever way it may be unhappy with something which could be a distraction or has been one . So i guess it's better to cut bait now rather than letting it fester and cause something bad in the locker room and now they can get his replacement for much less money a& look forward to the future . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Of course we can. Anyone who thinks we are not Superbowl contenders is foolish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Its the perfect way to lower expectations for GM/Coaching. Only narrow minded people have higher expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 This is the season of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) Do I think we win it all? No. Can we win it all? Yes. In reality none of the guys we lost this offseason contributed much to the run we made in the second half of last season. Edited April 3 by SirAndrew 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 We can still go 17-0, 20-0 on the whole season too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 You guys seriously need to chill the eff out. You are all crazy 🤪. Let the draft happen and the roster fill out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 16 minutes ago, damj said: This is the season of Not for me. But we're all free Americans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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