PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[Spiderweb]

20K to 50K for the better seats so far. I know these are the way of life for quite some time but I can't help but to feel these are the ultimate slap in the face. Billionaires come to taxpayers to fund much of their stadiums, then insult them and make them pay huge sums just to have the right to buy season tickets. One time purchase? OK, but it's a big one. It's not like the tickets themselves are free.

On 3/23/2024 at 6:47 AM, Spiderweb said:

20K to 50K for the better seats so far. I know these are the way of life for quite some time but I can't help but to feel these are the ultimate slap in the face. Billionaires come to taxpayers to fund much of their stadiums, then insult them and make them pay huge sums just to have the right to buy season tickets. One time purchase? OK, but it's a big one. It's not like the tickets themselves are free. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/buffalo-bills-stadium-experience-center-walker-center-new-buffalo-bills-stadium/article_786e625c-e7d2-11ee-abc4-ffe0847a1e80.html

Ouch.. posted on wrong board again.. should be on Stadium Wall.

[Irv]

The Pegulas are really pushing their luck.  This is bull####.  

[Punching Bag]

Pegulas are charging for PSLs to pay for their portion of cost but with costs rising and they being obligated for cost overruns they will be looking for more revenue - so far only PSL costs have been released.

[stuvian]

Greed and gambling will eventually be this and other league's undoing. The Ohtani story is going to blow up in ways we haven't foreseen. 

 

Why would a working family prioritize a PSL over their kids education when the UFL offers something similar? 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

Greed and gambling will eventually be this and other league's undoing. The Ohtani story is going to blow up in ways we haven't foreseen. 

 

Why would a working family prioritize a PSL over their kids education when the UFL offers something similar? 

 

In actuality  UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL.   Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

ALL I gotta say is... Hope The League is reading this!

 

YOU OWE US!

 

Not the same BS we've been dealt with for 64 years... The Refs, etc...

 

If the Bills don't bring in a championship, trouble times ahead.

 

I don't care how they do it, but they owe us... Look what they did to save the Cheatriots after Krafty built on his own dime.

 

Get it done NFL!  The championship pieces are in place.  Bring us one. You got customers for life.  Screw as usual, all bets off.

[ExiledInIllinois]

20 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:

 

In actuality  UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL.   Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. 

😆... I liked it better than Pepsi!

 

https://www.tastingtable.com/1377209/wegmans-says-goodbye-to-wpop-soda/

[Mr Info]

5 hours ago, stuvian said:

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Why would a working family prioritize a PSL over their kids education when the UFL offers something similar? 

I agree with this last sentence but that should not be a question…whether that is a PSL, vacation home, expensive vehicle/boat or any other costly item that could impact your children’s education. PSLs are intended, just like any expensive entertainment item, for those that have the means to acquire them. If the PSLs would have been required twenty or so years ago, I would have passed but things change over time.

[Punching Bag]

5 minutes ago, Mr Info said:

I agree with this last sentence but that should not be a question…whether that is a PSL, vacation home, expensive vehicle/boat or any other costly item that could impact your children’s education. PSLs are intended, just like any expensive entertainment item, for those that have the means to acquire them. If the PSLs would have been required twenty or so years ago, I would have passed but things change over time.

 

If PSLs were required 20 years ago Bills would no longer have a team.

 

A team in Buffalo that is.

[Mr Info]

That was not my point but you probably understand that. 
 

mods - probably good to merge this thread with the a relevant topic on TSW.

[Augie]

18 hours ago, muppy said:

@Spiderweb perhaps you can delete this thread and repost a thread to the main Stadium Wall?

 

The amounts of money they are seeking is Outrageous.  unreal. #TOOEXPENSIVE

 

A very smart guy (a retired pediatric neuro-radiologist) once asked me if I knew what the cure for high prices was. I hesitated and he said “high prices.” If something is too expensive to sell successfully, the price will come down, or an alternative will be found. That is often true, it seems. I believe he said it when he bought a house up the road from us, right before the housing collapse in 2006. Ouch! 

 

It’s easy for me not to get too worked up about the cost of the PSL’s, because I’m not facing that big, new car size invoice. I just pay a little extra second hand when I get my seats on the secondary market (plus all the ridiculous fees, which is another topic).  

 

I’ll wait to see how things pan out before declaring a state of panic. I fully understand being upset, that’s natural. It’s going to cause a lot of angst for many, but these things have a way of working out. I’m sure some people will begin to enjoy the NFL experience from the comfort of home, and it’s a very good experience, indeed. Maybe pick a game or two a year to see live instead of having the whole season and trying to figure out what to do with tix for games you can’t make and/or lousy weather games. 

 

 

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Edited March 24 by Augie

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Disagree it should be here because you are getting into gray areas and where if the government should be funding things like stadiums so politics enters into it. If it is here instead of the Bills stadium topic mods will suspend you for politics. So the topic belongs here where Buffalo people can speak out on this topic. Without fear from pro stadium Bills mods Terry Pegula and Bills stadium cheerleaders looking to suspend Bills fans that don’t toe the Bills fans company line everything is wonderful, wonderful. Terry Pegula is a Buffalo hero crappola. I am a huge Buffalo sports fan for 49 years and counting but even I draw a line with this ridiculous stuff. Keep it here where Buffalo fans can speak freely without the fear of suspension because the Bills mods hero worship Terry Pegula and 100% support the new Buffalo Bills stadium. I personally have been suspended 3 times with no recourse to defend myself you are just suspended agree to it. The Bills mods are on a witch hunt when it comes to this new Buffalo Bills stadium so much so you would think they are related to Terry Pegula family or greatly benefit monetary in some way in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

Did you attend a weekend retreat or something with all the mods to gain insight into their deep personal thoughts on this? I’m here quite a bit, and I’ve never noticed the cheerleader level of bias you mention. It sounds like you may have crossed some lines somewhere to me if you were suspended on three separate occasions. Just a thought, but maybe a little self-scouting would be helpful for you. 

 

FYI -  I guess you can go to PPP for greater freedom of speech (I avoid that place!), but you can get in trouble here too. I’m not trying to stir anything up, I’m just trying to help you avoid further issues. Going out of your way to offend people generally does not end well, in my experience, so maybe that could be part of your self-scouting.  

[Steptide]

Something is only worth what people will pay for it. If people will pay 20-50k, good on them. If not, those prices will drop really quick. Pegula just better hope this team is still good come 2026/27. People arnt gonna pay these prices with a crap product. This isn't 2007. We long held super low ticket prices, and that definitely helped the fan base keep coming to games. 

[muppy]

clearly the economic strata of people who watch and are entertained by the NFL is massive and crosses all social economic boundaries

 

for reasons many already stated, I think this is a NFL billionaires money grab to profit off of our absolute LOYALTY as Bills fans. The deep pocketed ones can

 

pay these PSL's and not really blink. And yes the Most expensive fees are for the very Best seats. I get all that.

 

so we paupers will scrimp for our bucket list one time appearance inside the new crib by making that choice.  I will do it. In a heart beat.

 

But asking people to buy a "License" for the "privilege" of being inside the stadium for season tickets?

 

I may be old school and cheap but to me that ain't right. at all. It's a pretty slickster move if you ask me.

Edited March 24 by muppy

[Bob Jones]

6 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Something is only worth what people will pay for it. If people will pay 20-50k, good on them. If not, those prices will drop really quick. Pegula just better hope this team is still good come 2026/27. People arnt gonna pay these prices with a crap product. This isn't 2007. We long held super low ticket prices, and that definitely helped the fan base keep coming to games. 

That's why they're making people pay up front, even telling people to get a bank loan and pay it off in 10 years! They are hoping enough people will be OK with the initial PSLs, and they'll have all their PSL money by opening day in 2026. After that, they don’t care.

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

That's why they're making people pay up front, even telling people to get a bank loan and pay it off in 10 years! They are hoping enough people will be OK with the initial PSLs, and they'll have all their PSL money by opening day in 2026. After that, they don’t care.

And I wonder what part of that 10 percent interest M&T is charging is getting kicked back to the Pegulas for the privilege of being the bank that gets to make the loans.

[zevo]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

And I wonder what part of that 10 percent interest M&T is charging is getting kicked back to the Pegulas for the privilege of being the bank that gets to make the loans.

Is the 10% interest loan accurate?. If so, anyone that finances the PSL should reexamine their personal finances. 

[That's No Moon]

56 minutes ago, zevo said:

Is the 10% interest loan accurate?. If so, anyone that finances the PSL should reexamine their personal finances. 

Yep

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Reads PSL news

 

Adjusts rabbit ears

 

fluff couch cushion

 

prosper. 

[Poleshifter]

Has there been a new NFL stadium built that did NOT requires PSLs to be purchased?
 

I hated the PSL idea when I first heard it decades ago. It still sucks.

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

And it all goes back in good ol' Terry's pocket. But hey... he kept the team in Buffalo right?

[Radar]

Well all I can say is there's a fool born everyday. And then we turn around and complain about our taxes and cost of food and put out this for our millionaire player and billionaire owners. Jokes on us. Before I choose one cent of my taxes toward this I say bye,bye move the team wherever you want.

[Matt_In_NH]

Making the fans pay is better than making the tax payers pay IMO.   They are doing a mix though.

 

They can do it because demand is there, it's just that simple.

19 hours ago, zevo said:

Is the 10% interest loan accurate?. If so, anyone that finances the PSL should reexamine their personal finances. 

10%, pay cash or you are a sucker

[Radar]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

And it all goes back in good ol' Terry's pocket. But hey... he kept the team in Buffalo right?

Wish we didn't cave in once again to this robbery.

 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Bills fans need to band together and refuse to pay these insane PSL fees.  The stadium is already being built and the organization can't scare us with a fake moving out of Buffalo narrative.

 

Paying $10,000 for a "seat license" doesn't make you a superfan, just an easy mark.

 

[Radar]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Making the fans pay is better than making the tax payers pay IMO.   They are doing a mix though.

 

They can do it because demand is there, it's just that simple.

But it's still the demand of the minority. Put these to a public vote statewide and it goes down but you'll never see that.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, Radar said:

But it's still the demand of the minority. Put these to a public vote statewide and it goes down but you'll never see that.

Put what to a vote?  PSL's?  that makes no sense.  Do people vote if the Olive Garden offers chicken parm?  Its on the market, buy it or don't buy it, it is all of our choice.

[eball]

The sense of entitlement among Bills fans is astonishing.

 

[SDS]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

The sense of entitlement among Bills fans is astonishing.

 

 

Which is worse? Pegula asking $50k for the best seats or Bills STHs who claim they are owed a lifetime of free dibs to the best seats in the house for eternity and only they can turn around and sell those seats for confiscatory rates to others?

[nucci]

7 minutes ago, Radar said:

But it's still the demand of the minority. Put these to a public vote statewide and it goes down but you'll never see that.

I hate PSLs but it's a private company offering a product. 

[Turk71]

6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Put what to a vote?  PSL's?  that makes no sense.  Do people vote if the Olive Garden offers chicken parm?  Its on the market, buy it or don't buy it, it is all of our choice.

Olive Garden doesn't build their restaurants with public funds.

[PromoTheRobot]

This thread title is misleading. I thought it meant the Bills released all of their PSL tiers.

[JimmyNoodles]

So, yeah PSL's suck, but this is news to people?  Obviously, you guys weren't paying very close attention.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

See, but by charging so much they will be able to afford the stadium snow shovelers $18/hr and not one but TWO hot dogs. 

 

Win/win imo

[Matt_In_NH]

Just now, Turk71 said:

Olive Garden doesn't build their restaurants with public funds.

Ok but how is that relevant?   The bills stadium is partially build with public funds the other part is from pegula and ultimately PSLs.  If legislature  passed a bill to build 60% of an Olive Garden restaurant do you expect free food?   I guess the analogy would be if Olive Garden charged a fee to have the right to go through the door.  So you would object to the fee but cost of dinner is ok?   You have the choice regardless to go there or not. 

[Simon]

12 minutes ago, eball said:

The sense of entitlement among Bills fans is astonishing.

 

 

Having to cough up the equivalent of an automobile just to be "allowed" to buy your tickets has always felt pretty scammy to me.

I don't think that having that perspective qualifies as entitlement.

[34-78-83]

So this supposed range is just for the really good seats?

 

Nobody still has any idea what the 300 section equivalent (outside the 25 yard line) will be then?

 

I am hopeful, but worried. I Certainly won't be paying 10k, especially per seat. Yipes.

[Turk71]

2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 If legislature  passed a bill to build 60% of an Olive Garden restaurant do you expect free food?  

No

I would expect a taxpayer revolt.

 

[BBFL]

6 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

So this supposed range is just for the really good seats?

 

Nobody still has any idea what the 300 section equivalent (outside the 25 yard line) will be then?

 

I am hopeful, but worried. I Certainly won't be paying 10k, especially per seat. Yipes.

Speaking of hopeful, I was willing to pay 2.5k. Realistically I thought the licenses would creep to 5k. $10,000 is insane. Count me on the ship that’s sailed for a no. 
 

More power to those who go through with it just for the “right” to splash more cash. 

[Gregg]

I am surprised that the PSL prices are this high. I could understand the Giants/Jets asking for it as they are in the NYC market with a lot of corporate support. Buffalo doesn't have that to fall back on. I mentioned this before, but many Giants/Jets fans dropped their seasons and buy individual game tickets to avoid the PSL fee. If PSL's failed with the fans in a big market like NYC, then what chance does this have to be successful in Buffalo.