Marvin Harrison Jr to Skip Pro Day

[mannc]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

No it doesn't

OK.  When was he timed in the 40 and what was his time? 

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

Not that I think he is terrible but he is ooooooooooooooverrated.  He has issues tracking the ball which will be more problematic in the NFL than they were in college..  

I think MHJ will have a nice NFL career, but we're not talking about Megatron, or Randy Moss or Julio Jones here, which is how he's being hyped.  I'd put Caleb Williams in the same over-hyped bucket too, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.

[H2o]

He also skipped the press conference portion of the Combine as well. Yes, he has elite WR traits and the film is what it is. Still, at some point, this as to raise a red flag somewhere. 

[Gugny]

Good for him. 
 

All of this combine, pro day crap is so unnecessary.  
 

[H2o]

2 hours ago, boyst said:

not a chance he is passed over. he goes first WR and top 5. dude is a likely generational talent and worth the trade up to get

They were already saying at the Combine it wouldn't be that shocking at all to see Nabers go ahead of MHJ. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

He also skipped the press conference portion of the Combine as well. Yes, he has elite WR traits and the film is what it is. Still, at some point, this as to raise a red flag somewhere. 

 

I’ll give him credit for being up front about his Diva status. This way nobody should be surprised. 

[boyst]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

Evans is an interesting comp, but I don't think Harrison is nearly as big as Evans.  Evans is just a huge WR, and obviously, he's an absolute dog.  It remains to be seen whether Harrison can even run a 4.5.

Watch game film on him. He can get separation and break away. 

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Not that I think he is terrible but he is ooooooooooooooverrated.  He has issues tracking the ball which will be more problematic in the NFL than they were in college..  

MHJ or who?

[papazoid]

good move

 

at this point, he will likely be the first non-QB taken

 

all he can do is hurt his chances....he can't improve them

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

13 minutes ago, mannc said:

OK.  When was he timed in the 40 and what was his time? 

I think MHJ will have a nice NFL career, but we're not talking about Megatron, or Randy Moss or Julio Jones here, which is how he's being hyped.  I'd put Caleb Williams in the same over-hyped bucket too, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.

Read the thread above. He ran 22.2 mph that fastest in a game in CFB. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Skipped Combine and now skipping this. Wouldn't shock me if he's not the 1st WR taken after all. Great film for sure. But I think he's gonna get passed by for one of the other top 2 guys. 

 

No chance at all.  He has nothing to gain from combine or workouts.  He is cemented as the top WR on the board, generational talent.  It is not worth the injury risk to workout when he across the board believed to be going in the top 5.  

 

This is not unusual on a prospect graded this high.  His stock cannot go any higher than it is, it can only go down.  If he was my client, I wouldn't let him workout either.

16 minutes ago, mannc said:

OK.  When was he timed in the 40 and what was his time? 

I think MHJ will have a nice NFL career, but we're not talking about Megatron, or Randy Moss or Julio Jones here, which is how he's being hyped.  I'd put Caleb Williams in the same over-hyped bucket too, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.

 

He is probably the highest regarded WR prospect coming out since Megatron though.  Nothing to gain from working out, only something to lose.  If I was his agent I wouldn't let him workout either.  

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

 

He is probably the highest regarded WR prospect coming out since Megatron though.  Nothing to gain from working out, only something to lose.  If I was his agent I wouldn't let him workout either.  

Oh, I don't dispute he'll be drafted high, I just don't think he's going to be a dominant NFL WR. 
 

[papazoid]

if i'm Arizona....i'm trading this pick to Minnesota for #11 & #23 in 2024 plus more in 2025

 

still be a WR1 at #11

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Skipped Combine and now skipping this. Wouldn't shock me if he's not the 1st WR taken after all. Great film for sure. But I think he's gonna get passed by for one of the other top 2 guys. 

If I were him I would do the combine and that's it.  No pro day ot individual workouts for teams.  

 

There is more than enough film.

[YoloinOhio]

Marv basically had his pro day last year. All the teams were here to see stroud and he was throwing to Marv. There is no QB he has ever caught a pass from here anymore to throw to him. His qb from this past year transferred already. He could run, but no reason to. 

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

Man i'm sure he is a great player i haven't seen any thing of him just his old man but actions speak louder than words !!

 

If that be the fact in this case cancelling both of his showings that in some way indicates to me that he is saying "I am that good & don't need to show you any more" which could be translated into DIVA !! 

 

I hope i'm wrong and that he just has a good grasp on it all & like i've heard from some that he would rather be getting ready for the NFL season that lies ahead rather than what i have stated . 

 

But if mommy, Daddy, Coaches, & NFL scouts have told him for how ever long they have been that he is the best man i hop that's not a huge red flag ! 

 

Remember Kellen Winslow the second ?? Just a thought .

He’s really the furthest thing from a diva. His approach has been to train for the nfl season. Not the draft evals. So that he’s ready as possible to go day 1 as a rookie. A lot of rookie WRs don’t have their first real offseason of nfl training until year 2. He’s starting now. All the teams know this. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/26/takeaways-harrison-draft-combine-free-agency-franchise-tag

Edited March 20 by YoloinOhio

[Mat68]

25 minutes ago, H2o said:

He also skipped the press conference portion of the Combine as well. Yes, he has elite WR traits and the film is what it is. Still, at some point, this as to raise a red flag somewhere. 

Why?  Nothing he can say or do will raise his status.  He didnt have to do any of it.  He came spoke to teams, provided medicals and moved on.  It is still a business he had nothing to gain from participating.  In todays about me and social media generation, putting in the work and going about his business quietly imo is not a neg. 

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Marv basically had his pro day last year. All the teams were here to see stroud and he was throwing to Marv. There is no QB he has ever caught a pass from here anymore to throw to him. His qb from this past year transferred already. He could run, but no reason to. 

He’s really the furthest thing from a diva. His approach has been to train for the nfl season. Not the draft evals. So that he’s ready as possible to go day 1 as a rookie. A lot of rookie WRs don’t have their first real offseason of nfl training until year 2. He’s starting now. All the teams know this. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/26/takeaways-harrison-draft-combine-free-agency-franchise-tag

Great point.  Why train for drills you need to perform once.  He is going to be a great player.  Maybe more steak and potatoes than flash.   

[papazoid]

Marvin Harrison Jr. Clocked At Faster Time Than Anyone In The NFL

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/marvin-harrison-jr-clocked-at-faster-time-than-anyone-in-the-nfl/ar-AA1gFK6L

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

Oh, I don't dispute he'll be drafted high, I just don't think he's going to be a dominant NFL WR. 
 

 

Yeah, thats fair, I am only commenting on why he shouldn't workout since he can't really improve his draft stock.  While he is probably the most hyped in past 10 years, I actually don't think he is any safer of a pick to be an elite WR1 in the NFL than Nabers or Odunze.  

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Sorry but you need to put this fantasy to bed.  It would START with Bills 1st and 2nd this year PLUS next year's 1st and 2nd.

Moving from 28 to 4 is a huge jump.

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=buf

We’d only need to trade all of this years draft picks, some of next years picks, and Diggs.  Seems like a fair price for us 😆

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Watch game film on him. He can get separation and break away. 

 

That's just it.  The film speaks for itself.  

 

Harrison Jr, seemingly, can do it all.  

[without a drought]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

well, Marv did specifically say Josh Allen as one of the QB's he'd love to play with.  Didn't mention Mahomes....so I already like the guy

Beane should at least explore what it would take to get to pick 4 or 6  for Harrison or Nabers 
 

The Cardinals are a dumb franchise who knows maybe it would be a favorable price.   

The Giants connection at 6 would make a lot of sense and likely a fair deal 

 

 

If he starts limping when seen around town, combined with no workouts maybe the Bills wouldn't have to move up as far.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

well, Marv did specifically say Josh Allen as one of the QB's he'd love to play with.  Didn't mention Mahomes....so I already like the guy

Beane should at least explore what it would take to get to pick 4 or 6  for Harrison or Nabers 
 

The Cardinals are a dumb franchise who knows maybe it would be a favorable price.   

The Giants connection at 6 would make a lot of sense and likely a fair deal 

 

 

 

Just curious:

What do you believe it would take to trade up from #28 to #4 in the first round?

IIRC, in 2018, pre-draft, the Bills owned their own #1 pick (#22) and KC's #1 pick  in the 1st round.  They also had 2 2nd round picks (their own, and LA Rams)

Pre draft, the Bills traded Cordy Glenn to Cinncinnati to move up from #21 to #12.  So starting LT for 9 spots.

During the draft, they traded pick #12 AND both 2nd round picks to move up from #12 to #7 (Bills got back a late 7th) from Tampa.  So 2 2nd round picks to move up 5 spots.

 

So to go from #21 to #7 cost a former pro-bowl LT still playing at a high level, and 2 2nd round picks.

 

Now you want them to go from #28 to #4, so what would that take?

 

 

 

 

 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Watch game film on him. He can get separation and break away. 

MHJ or who?

Yes MHJ

1 hour ago, mannc said:

OK.  When was he timed in the 40 and what was his time? 

I think MHJ will have a nice NFL career, but we're not talking about Megatron, or Randy Moss or Julio Jones here, which is how he's being hyped.  I'd put Caleb Williams in the same over-hyped bucket too, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.

Agreed on MHJ.  Caleb I don’t know.  The upside is there but the downside is he cries and pouts one stomps his feet on a path to a short career.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

Marvin Harrison Jr. Clocked At Faster Time Than Anyone In The NFL

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/marvin-harrison-jr-clocked-at-faster-time-than-anyone-in-the-nfl/ar-AA1gFK6L

There is virtually nothing to not like about this player. If it wasn't for the QBs(who always get pushed up) he'd be the number 1 pick. A flat out great prospect who's being advised properly. 

[Taro Nimbus]

Bills need to package Allen and Diggs and trade them to Arizona for the 4th pick in the draft.   Then draft Harrison Jr.  Him with Trubisky are the future of the Bills.   Am I doing this right? 

[T master]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Marv basically had his pro day last year. All the teams were here to see stroud and he was throwing to Marv. There is no QB he has ever caught a pass from here anymore to throw to him. His qb from this past year transferred already. He could run, but no reason to. 

He’s really the furthest thing from a diva. His approach has been to train for the nfl season. Not the draft evals. So that he’s ready as possible to go day 1 as a rookie. A lot of rookie WRs don’t have their first real offseason of nfl training until year 2. He’s starting now. All the teams know this. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/26/takeaways-harrison-draft-combine-free-agency-franchise-tag

 

Awesome !! Well that kind of work ethic & fore thought is more than likely what got him to this spot to be drafted first over all I'm glad he is that guy rather than the other guy . Marvin must have done a great job keeping him grounded !! 

 

I thought Winslow II was going to be a great player but it bit him bad which really stinks because the potential was there for him to be a great player like his dad but he couldn't get out of his own way .

[H2o]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Marv basically had his pro day last year. All the teams were here to see Stroud and he was throwing to Marv. There is no QB he has ever caught a pass from here anymore to throw to him. His qb from this past year transferred already. He could run, but no reason to. 

Now this does make sense, especially the QB aspect. The tape is the tape, and he's going to be a good football player. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

As long as he doesn’t skip leg day. 

[Matt_In_NH]

This is great, all the teams at the top of the draft will red flag him and he will drop to the Bills.

[Mr. WEO]

"so many high-end draft prospects choosing to stay in school"... that's pretty funny.  Too busy with their studies, no doubt.

 

Jr. may be the next Ted Ginn.  Hope he enjoys the desert--and being thrown to by an injury prone dwarf.

[Matt_In_NH]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

"so many high-end draft prospects choosing to stay in school"... that's pretty funny.  Too busy with their studies, no doubt.

 

Jr. may be the next Ted Ginn.  Hope he enjoys the desert--and being thrown to by an injury prone dwarf.

Doubtful to the bolded.  NIL money is the reason.

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Yes MHJ

Agreed on MHJ.  Caleb I don’t know.  The upside is there but the downside is he cries and pouts one stomps his feet on a path to a short career.

It’s hard to deny MHJ’s upside, although is it fair to say Nabers and Thomas Jr prob have just as much upside?

[TBBills Fan]

6 hours ago, nucci said:

is a nothing burger still a burger? If not then wouldn't it just be nothing?

Like the impossible Whopper 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Malcontent…he will drop to the late first round..number 28 exactly.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The GM that passes on this kid to take JJ McCarthy should be fired before round 2 starts. 

If I was the Bears GM I would have traded down to 4 and taken Harrison. 

Now if I'm the Bears I trade #9 and next year's number 1 to Arizona for #4 and a 3rd round pick this year.   

[Allen2Moulds]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

not a chance he is passed over. he goes first WR and top 5. dude is a likely generational talent and worth the trade up to get

I personally like Nabors a bit more.

[Dafan]

11 hours ago, mannc said:

Evans is an interesting comp, but I don't think Harrison is nearly as big as Evans.  Evans is just a huge WR, and obviously, he's an absolute dog.  It remains to be seen whether Harrison can even run a 4.5.

He ran at play at over 22mph...faster than any college or nfl player.  And people still question if he's fast at all lol.

[K-9]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

Now this does make sense, especially the QB aspect. The tape is the tape, and he's going to be a good football player. 

Yep. What he’s put on “tape” over the course of his career along with his medicals are the only thing that matters at this point. The scouting is long over for MHJ. The only thing that might be a concern for a team is how he does in his meetings and the football acumen he demonstrates at those meetings. But he’d have to be a complete jerk and idiot for any team to think twice about taking him. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

13 hours ago, mannc said:

Folks, MHJ is one of the most overrated NFL prospects since Sam Darnold.  If it wasn’t for his name, he’d be considered a borderline first rounder.  Good hands and good size, but no explosiveness, no YAC ability and obviously an entitled attitude.  Wouldn’t surprise me if he runs a 4.6.  Anyone who takes him over Nabers or Odunze is making a huge mistake.

Please stop with this nonsense.

I like your take on MHJr.  I don’t know if i exactly agree 100.  But I like someone who has a different opinion.  And I hate how much hype some of these guys get before even getting drafted.  We smoked him and his overrated Buckeyes the past 3 years.  He certainly did not dominate us.  And who really knows how great he will be in the pros.  Act like you care.  Play in your teams bowl games and work out for the scouts.  Act like you are a team guy who respects the process and the game.  

[mannc]

34 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I like your take on MHJr.  I don’t know if i exactly agree 100.  But I like someone who has a different opinion.  And I hate how much hype some of these guys get before even getting drafted.  We smoked him and his overrated Buckeyes the past 3 years.  He certainly did not dominate us.  And who really knows how great he will be in the pros.  Act like you care.  Play in your teams bowl games and work out for the scouts.  Act like you are a team guy who respects the process and the game.  

I don’t know if I agree 100% with my take either🤣….I mean, MHJ might turn out to be a great pro.  I just hate the entitled attitude, which IMO is based largely on his name.  Go watch the combine interview of Rome Odunze, who had every bit as good a college career as Harrison.  They asked why he was there when other top receivers were taking a powder, and he talked about how much he loves to compete and how a guy’s combine performance is something for posterity and how he’s even competing against guys from years past.  Give me a guy like Odunze or Josh Allen over the MHJs and Caleb Williamses of the world…

Edited March 21 by mannc

[Warriorspikes51]

Time for a public statement from him “I will only play for Josh Allen” 

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t know if I agree 100% with my take either🤣….I mean, MHJ might turn out to be a great pro.  I just hate the entitled attitude, which IMO is based largely on his name.  Go watch the combine interview of Rome Odunze, who had every bit as good a college career as Harrison.  They asked why he was there when other top receivers were taking a powder, and he talked about how much he loves to compete and how a guy’s combine performance is something for posterity and how he’s even competing against guys from years past.  Give me a guy like Odunze or Josh Allen over the MHJs and Caleb Williamses of the world…

 

Out of all the WR’s projected to be Round 1-2, I think Odunze is the least talked about when it comes to linking him to Buffalo.

 

I wonder how high we’d need to get for him. Perhaps he makes it into the 12-15 range? 

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Time for a public statement from him “I will only play for Josh Allen” 

 

Out of all the WR’s projected to be Round 1-2, I think Odunze is the least talked about when it comes to linking him to Buffalo.

 

I wonder how high we’d need to get for him. Perhaps he makes it into the 12-15 range? 

 

He's among the least talked about because he's going Top 10. Possibly as high as 7. We're not sniffing anywhere near him. We'd be lucky to be able to get to Brian Thomas Jr.

 

As I've said before - we interviewed every Top WR Prospect at the Combine. We didn't even bother to do so with Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Nabers, or Rome Odunze. And for good reason.