Rich Stadium Original Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 To be: Worse Better About the Same Arguments for worse: Losing key players can't afford to keep Most of D line free agents May have cap casualties Cap hell..cant pick up any real impact players Drafting low each round..Best talent already off the board Argument for Better: Lots of key positions already locked up like O-line..can target areas of need. Bills may get discount from some players in free agency as they are a contender Trust Beanes scouting to pick up talent at a discount...see:Poyer/Hyde Good depth in WRs in the draft. many gems may be available in middle rounds. Beane may swing the surprise trade to move up in draft getting impact player See: Kincaid What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Depends on what we look like at that time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Option D, I have no damn idea until Camp starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I think we’ll all be excited about the potential of the offense on paper. They will add talent at WR. The offense is pretty set after they add a WR. The defense is my biggest question mark. I’m not exactly sure what direction they go in for safety and edge replacements. Do they go with veterans or youth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) Younger. They need to get younger especially on defense. Does that make them in better in 2024. Who knows. As we all know it will depend on how well Beane does with the draft. Edited March 4 by Gregg 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 It won't be better than the team we had in September last year - but it will be better than the team that lost to KC in the playoffs. Getting back to health will improve this team on its own. Then, we'll have to see how the draft & FA goes. We have more picks than usual in the draft, so may get at least a few quality starters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 25 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said: To be: Worse Better About the Same Arguments for worse: Losing key players can't afford to keep Most of D line free agents May have cap casualties Cap hell..cant pick up any real impact players Drafting low each round..Best talent already off the board Argument for Better: Lots of key positions already locked up like O-line..can target areas of need. Bills may get discount from some players in free agency as they are a contender Trust Beanes scouting to pick up talent at a discount...see:Poyer/Hyde Good depth in WRs in the draft. many gems may be available in middle rounds. Beane may swing the surprise trade to move up in draft getting impact player See: Kincaid What say you? I need to see what they’re gonna do on the defensive line We lost a bunch of players on the team, but we kept our core players, and there are certain positions. We are in a really good position. We could potentially be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Probably a little less at the beginning of season. Hopefully with an infusion of youth and speed. Then by seasons end with growth will be comparable. Hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 23 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said: To be: Worse Better About the Same Arguments for worse: Losing key players can't afford to keep Most of D line free agents May have cap casualties Cap hell..cant pick up any real impact players Drafting low each round..Best talent already off the board Argument for Better: Lots of key positions already locked up like O-line..can target areas of need. Bills may get discount from some players in free agency as they are a contender Trust Beanes scouting to pick up talent at a discount...see:Poyer/Hyde Good depth in WRs in the draft. many gems may be available in middle rounds. Beane may swing the surprise trade to move up in draft getting impact player See: Kincaid What say you? I think its likely the offense will be improved upon. You replace gabe/harty/sherfield offensive snaps with hopefully a vet and a rookie. You have Brady creating his own offensive identity. Cook another year in the NFL. Shakir prepared for a bigger role. Two TE's. Etc. The defense... We are losing a number of players. But we do get milano back - which is absolutely huge. Bernard can improve on a promising first year starting. Secondary wise they have options at CB - and other potential reinforcements in the form of Tre. Will be interested to see how the team ends up looking after FA and draft, but its easy to forget that by the end of the season they were so banged up that a lot of the players that could potentially be downgrades, weren't even playing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I always expect to improve. Will they? We will see next January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Better on offense Worse on defense Might be able to add some defensive pieces this spring/summer cheap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gregg said: Younger. They need to get younger especially on defense. Does that make them in better in 2024. Who knows. As we all know it will depend on how well Beane does with the draft. They don’t necessarily need to get younger, as in rookies. They can find very cheap veteran starter quality safeties and also find some older edge players for stop gap replacements. They probably sign 2 veteran starting safeties for the combined cap of Jordan Poyer. Edited March 4 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 We need to pour into the offense because this defense has already been extremely good during the season and folds in the playoffs. Why bother with it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Offense will be better on paper. We return 10/11 starters plus depth along the OL and will likely make, at least, one big addition to replace him via FA or more likely the Draft. Defense will likely be a mixed bag. Dependent upon guys returning from injury (Von, Tre, Milano). We really need Von to be at least 80% next year. I'd like to see them tear it down a bit on this side of the ball, but would be surprised to see them do anything with Tre, Douglas and/or Poyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Imo, likely better, people fighting for job opportunities on Defense, and Core players still here, so a push there, on offense, new OC with a fully implemented scheme, and an actual # 1a / 2 boundary WR to help spread coverage for our passing game, what’s not to like? 😁🍸🚬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 This General Manager delivers every time. I expect a high-quality product with no step back. He will get the offense a few weapons and 2 defensive lineman who contribute and a couple of add ons in the summer like he did with Poona and Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 More or less the same, but younger and hopefully faster, which I think will do wonders for the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 It's hard to say at this stage, but I do expect the DL talent, particularly the depth, to drop off some this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think we’ll all be excited about the potential of the offense on paper. They will add talent at WR. The offense is pretty set after they add a WR. The defense is my biggest question mark. I’m not exactly sure what direction they go in for safety and edge replacements. Do they go with veterans or youth? I agree....I'm optimistic we'll add a 1st round quality wr and another later in the draft. I think we'll draft a late round RB (Gore) to supplement Cook & Johnson. I am concerned about the DL & S. That's where we'll need to make better decisions in FA. I say slightly better but minimizing injuries will dictate the success of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Better on offense; worse on defense; same or worse on ST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Whatever happens I expect I will hate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Brandon said: It's hard to say at this stage, but I do expect the DL talent, particularly the depth, to drop off some this year. That's a fair assessment as any. I think our S talent to drop a little too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Rich Stadium Original said: To be: Worse Better About the Same Arguments for worse: Losing key players can't afford to keep Most of D line free agents May have cap casualties Cap hell..cant pick up any real impact players Drafting low each round..Best talent already off the board Argument for Better: Lots of key positions already locked up like O-line..can target areas of need. Bills may get discount from some players in free agency as they are a contender Trust Beanes scouting to pick up talent at a discount...see:Poyer/Hyde Good depth in WRs in the draft. many gems may be available in middle rounds. Beane may swing the surprise trade to move up in draft getting impact player See: Kincaid What say you? I say there is no way to answer this question because there is no answer that will be true after the draft because you do not know yet what kind of players the rookies will be in the NFL, nor how long it will take to reach their potential or prove to not be the right guy. Sane with FA's, no way to know who well they fit in and gel here until we see them on the field too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Aurelius Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: Depends on what we look like at that time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Probably about the same maybe slightly worse. I think Floyd and Gabe are gone AJE is also 50/50. If the Bills can resign AJE to a reasonable deal and sign D Jones and some (but not all) of the vets and depth players along with maybe adding a “Connor McGovern” style mid level addition I think the Bills will go into the draft being able to improve the talent level of the team. Just have to hope they can manage the cap well and make smart decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Option D, I have no damn idea until Camp starts. I’m also uncertain about how I feel about the Christmas presents I’m going to find under the tree this year. It’s just a bit too early to say. 🤷♂️ Obviously we all want the team to be better, but we will have to wait and see what happens before I can even venture a guess. I do expect Beane to fill almost every void in FA so we don’t go into the draft desperate at any position. That’s how he rolls, so I’m eager to see what we look like after all that takes place. 31 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Whatever happens I expect I will hate it Yes, I expect you will. 😋 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Gabe Davis's departure means 750 yards and 7 TDs have to be replaced. Leonard Floyd accounts for 10.5 sacks. Between the two, they free up a little under $10 million in cap space. That's a tough lift just to get back to even. Beane is going to have to draft well. Drafting well solves any and every problem in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Oh I expect them to be better than last year overall. Adding just one deep impact receiver to that offense could make it downright scary. The defense has a chance to be better next year with an infusion of returning injured players and younger speed athletes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 They are always better. The guys that leave sucked anyway. Addition by subtraction. The guys that come in are all superstars and hidden gems. Clear upgrades across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 57 minutes ago, Billl said: Gabe Davis's departure means 750 yards and 7 TDs have to be replaced. Leonard Floyd accounts for 10.5 sacks. Between the two, they free up a little under $10 million in cap space. That's a tough lift just to get back to even. Beane is going to have to draft well. Drafting well solves any and every problem in the NFL. I want a "Neutral thumb" emoji lol. I give a kinda thumbs down for the first part of your post and a Thumbs up for the 2nd 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Since he became GM of the Bills, I think this upcoming season will be the most challenging for Beane to improve the roster. From my perspective, his main challenge will be building a roster with an improved pass rush. As of this writing the Bills pass rush has taken a step backwards. I wish Beane all the luck in the world for free agency and the draft. GO BILLS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 8 hours ago, Gregg said: Younger. They need to get younger especially on defense. Does that make them in better in 2024. Who knows. As we all know it will depend on how well Beane does with the draft. 10 draft picks, most likely consolidated to 7 by moving up will infuse a great deal of young, cheap talent. Contrary to some false narratives, Beane has had more hits than misses in his drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I think I'm on the pessimist side on this year ...The team has a lot of Free Agents and has to do the yearly dance with the devil just to get under the salary cap. Offense ... it should be easy to improve WR #2 but they have to draft one, likely in round one, by the time they get to pick #60 any receiver that can help this year will likely be gone. They also have to find someone to backup Cook at RB, as of now they have no one... but RBs are cheap. Defense ... I expect a crash and burn season from this side of the ball this season. Most if not all of these guys will be gone ... DE - Floyd, Epenesa DT - Jones, Phillips, Settle, Ford LB - Dodson CB - White, Jackson S - Hyde, Rapp That's a lot of talent that will be replaced by draft choices and bargain basement signings... Prove me wrong McBeane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I expect the roster to be somewhat worse because of our cap situation. I'm hoping that Beane proves me wrong. I'm also hoping that Brady schemes up a better offense and that our D remains mostly healthy this year. Oh, and I'm hoping Von and Tre return to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 11 hours ago, Rich Stadium Original said: To be: Worse Better About the Same Arguments for worse: Losing key players can't afford to keep Most of D line free agents May have cap casualties Cap hell..cant pick up any real impact players Drafting low each round..Best talent already off the board Argument for Better: Lots of key positions already locked up like O-line..can target areas of need. Bills may get discount from some players in free agency as they are a contender Trust Beanes scouting to pick up talent at a discount...see:Poyer/Hyde Good depth in WRs in the draft. many gems may be available in middle rounds. Beane may swing the surprise trade to move up in draft getting impact player See: Kincaid What say you? Think last year at this time, most posters here were expecting the worst, but after draft everyone was saying how roster was better overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/4/2024 at 10:56 AM, BuffaloBillyG said: I always expect to improve. Will they? We will see next January. In any given year about 28 NFL fan bases think the off season moves made the team better. A couple of fan bases will understand they are tearing down to rebuild. Sometime the Super Bowl winner will run into a cap wall and has no where to go but down (Rams a few years back) But since the 2024 Bills won’t be playing the 2023 Bills it is not really the important question. The important roster question is “Will the Bills roster be relatively better than the Chiefs/Bengals/Ravens/Titans rosters ?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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