Mel is back and I gotta say I love the pick

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I dont think he makes it to our pick, but yes i'd love him in Buffalo.

I think he is going to be a Bengal.

I think that’s his floor in this draft. He could legit go in the top 15. 

[DrDawkinstein]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They are putting hundreds articles, videos and shows as part of the subscription …..not one.  This is part of the business model.  In your case….you just want to read one article, so you’ll just have to ask others that do pay for it to fill you in with the info you need.

 

i wanted HBO strictly for Game of Thrones…..nothing else.  So I should be able to watch for free?  

 

The funniest part is most folks can get access to these services for free or deep discounts through their cell phone provider.

 

I get free Netflix and Apple TV with my Tmobile account.

 

Verizon cell customers can get a Netflix/Max bundle for $10/month total. They also offer the Disney Bundle (Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+) for $10/month (instead of regular $20/month) which would get you access to these articles.

 

Just gotta look for deals.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

That's not what I mean and you know it. So get the f**k out of here

Jesus Christ, if you don't understand the difference between that and just trying to read a mock draft then there is absolutely no help for you

So you continue to insist that you should get the fruits of someone else’s labor for free, it’s not “just a mock draft”, it is someone else’s work /labor, what don’t you get about that, information isn’t free anymore, it is a commodity now, if you want free information get a library card…, 

 

nuthin but luv 😁👍🍺

[Starr Almighty]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

What name did I call anyone? And I got called out for BS. You both completely misinterpreted what I meant and tried to ridicule me for it so you can kiss my a**

[Buffalo03]

13 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

A Mel Kiper mock draft is one of the very few things I would be interested in reading from ESPN. I would assume they consider it some of their more valuable NFL-related content, so it's certainly not a surprise they would keep it behind their paywall. I understand why you would like it to be free (which illustrates why it isn't), but why exactly should it be free?

I like to read as many mock draft articles as I can. Whether it's from Mel, or whoeever else. Anyone can pretty much read an article like that for free in a lot of places but you got the select few that include into a subscription along with TV shows and all that that they want them to pay for. It's ONE article and people are forced to pay $10.99 even though, they get more with the subscription, I want to read the one article. No one should have to oay for that. Just like I think the Amazon Prime football games and the playoff peacock game should have been free and forcing people to pay for that to watch a game even though those platforms offer other shows is just wrong

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm so sick of these paywall articles. I shouldn't have to pay it to read someone's mock draft

 

If you pay to see someone's mock draft you should be mocked.

 

Maybe ESPN is now paying its writers on ESPN+ only for number of subscribers who read.

Like some workers who get paid in tips only.

[Don Otreply]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I like to read as many mock draft articles as I can. Whether it's from Mel, or whoeever else. Anyone can pretty much read an article like that for free in a lot of places but you got the select few that include into a subscription along with TV shows and all that that they want them to pay for. It's ONE article and people are forced to pay $10.99 even though, they get more with the subscription, I want to read the one article. No one should have to oay for that. Just like I think the Amazon Prime football games and the playoff peacock game should have been free and forcing people to pay for that to watch a game even though those platforms offer other shows is just wrong

You are not being “forced “‘to do anything.  What you want is to reap the benefits of others labor for free. You can try to spin it any way you want, but it boils down to what I typed in the second sentence of this response, you want services and you don’t want to pay for them, an article or a cup of coffee, or whatever, it ain’t free, and you’re not special so you gotta pay, 

 

boy this is fun 🤩 

Edited February 28 by Don Otreply

[BarleyNY]

24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The funniest part is most folks can get access to these services for free or deep discounts through their cell phone provider.

 

I get free Netflix and Apple TV with my Tmobile account.

 

Verizon cell customers can get a Netflix/Max bundle for $10/month total. They also offer the Disney Bundle (Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+) for $10/month (instead of regular $20/month) which would get you access to these articles.

 

Just gotta look for deals.

 

No, the funniest part is that some people are arguing that Mel Kuiper’s draft has any value at all. It should be free because it’s worthless. And, yes, I’ve seen it. I have ESPN+ included with another service I pay for. I would never actually pay for ESPN+.

[Saint Doug]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

We see him differently because to me he’s one of only 4 Alphas I see early in this class. 
 

One of the youngest available WR’s and plenty of growth still available. 

Great. The Tremaine Edmunds of WRs. 

[Buffalo03]

9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

You are not being “forced “‘to do anything.  What you want is to reap the benefits of others labor for free. You can try to spin it any way you want, but it boils down to what I typed in the second sentence of this response, you want services and you don’t want to pay for them, an article or a cup of coffee, or whatever, it ain’t free, and you’re not special so you gotta pay, 

 

boy this is fun 🤩 

Lol. You make it sound as though there aren't millions articles on the internet about pretty much anything that can be read all the time free of charge. I don't expect "labor" to be given to me for free. I don't expect free food at a restaurant, I don't expect mortgages to be free like the other guy you are agreeing with. I don't expect to have my car worked on for free. That's true labor. None of those are the same as reading an article online. And it's not Mel Kiper himself charging for it. It's the company he works for so it doesn't really have anything to do with labor. Espn plus should be for programming, not for being forced to read an article here and there on their website. I say it again, peacock and Amazon prime offer tons of shows and movies as part of their subscription. Does that mean it's right to make customers pay for football games on their platforms when ALL other games are available on local TV? No

[90sBills]

Man this side argument is more entertaining than the draft talk! Please continue. 

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm so sick of these paywall articles. I shouldn't have to pay it to read someone's mock draft

What on earth gives you that idea?

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Metcalf was the definition of an alpha. My problem with Thomas is he basically just runs in a straight line and that's the extent of his skill set (with an elite release to match, to be fair). Metcalf did that and also made contested catches and was a beast to bring down. Thomas doesn't do well with any sort of contact at the catch point and he doesn't break tackles, and he is not going to avoid that in the NFL.

Agree on Thomas. Some of the same concerns can be asserted regarding Franklin though imo it's much less of an issue. I somehow feel more confident in his ability to learn and improve on those things (route running and concentration drops) needed for him to become a complete player. You also need to believe that he can add weight and strength to his frame. If he can do those things though he looks to have the makings of a great player, given what he already does well. 

[frostbitmic]

There will be hundreds if not thousands of mock drafts on this board, most of them will be better than and make more sense than what these guys getting paid for it will put out, and it won't cost you anything. 

[Gambit]

Someone's very spicy today...

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Some of the same concerns can be asserted regarding Franklin though imo it's much less of an issue.

 

I don't think Franklin is a one trick pony. His route running, specifically his footwork, is pretty advanced. I believe he will be able to run all of the routes and pull away from defenders after the catch. Thomas runs the Gabe Davis route tree, obviously at a much higher level but it is still too limited a skill set to invest a 1st round pick IMO.

[Augie]

18 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

There will be hundreds if not thousands of mock drafts on this board, most of them will be better than and make more sense than what these guys getting paid for it will put out, and it won't cost you anything. 

 

Since I hate ESPN, I’ll just make mine available a little bit cheaper. Given my outstanding reputation evaluating college talent (my dogs love my ideas), I’m sure that will force ESPN to re-evaluate their pricing structure, causing their margins to get squeezed at least enough to make them let Booger McFarland go. You remember, the moron who swore Cody Ford committed a penalty by blocking a defensive player. The penalty that resulted in one of those lovely “OOPS! Our Bad!” Letters from the league. 

 

But hey, I’m not the type to hold a grudge. 

 

 

Usually. 

[Don Otreply]

57 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Lol. You make it sound as though there aren't millions articles on the internet about pretty much anything that can be read all the time free of charge. I don't expect "labor" to be given to me for free. I don't expect free food at a restaurant, I don't expect mortgages to be free like the other guy you are agreeing with. I don't expect to have my car worked on for free. That's true labor. None of those are the same as reading an article online. And it's not Mel Kiper himself charging for it. It's the company he works for so it doesn't really have anything to do with labor. Espn plus should be for programming, not for being forced to read an article here and there on their website. I say it again, peacock and Amazon prime offer tons of shows and movies as part of their subscription. Does that mean it's right to make customers pay for football games on their platforms when ALL other games are available on local TV? No

You expect this particular bit of labor to be given to you for free, why is that? 

[Trev]

Who is it? I’m not paying to read a mock draft. 

[Charles Romes]

This may be the guy with great straight line speed but may be lacking short range quickness. 

[Chicken Boo]

I don't hate the pick, but I'd rather have Franklin.

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I like to read as many mock draft articles as I can. Whether it's from Mel, or whoeever else. Anyone can pretty much read an article like that for free in a lot of places but you got the select few that include into a subscription along with TV shows and all that that they want them to pay for. It's ONE article and people are forced to pay $10.99 even though, they get more with the subscription, I want to read the one article. No one should have to oay for that. Just like I think the Amazon Prime football games and the playoff peacock game should have been free and forcing people to pay for that to watch a game even though those platforms offer other shows is just wrong

This is EXACTLY why I refuse to pay for a prostitute when other girls are giving it away free. ***** them expensive whores. 

[TheCockSportif]

17 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

I don't hate the pick, but I'd rather have Franklin.

Clifford Franklin and a gallon of wood glue would be WR2, for sure.

 

[DCOrange]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Metcalf was the definition of an alpha. My problem with Thomas is he basically just runs in a straight line and that's the extent of his skill set (with an elite release to match, to be fair). Metcalf did that and also made contested catches and was a beast to bring down. Thomas doesn't do well with any sort of contact at the catch point and he doesn't break tackles, and he is not going to avoid that in the NFL.

I don't think Thomas is as good in contested catch situations as DK was, but he is quite good at it statistically and there's plenty of it on film as well. I think he's pretty good after the catch too; he's not as stiff a runner as DK was but obviously not as strong either. He's not like Adonai Mitchell and Harrison Jr. and guys like that where you can be pretty certain they're going down once they come up against tacklers but he's also not Malik Nabers. I wouldn't consider either of those areas to be weaknesses.

 

I would say contested catches are more of an issue with Franklin, Mitchell, and Worthy if we're comparing guys that may be considered at 28. Franklin and Worthy are better after the catch, though I think Worthy is worse than you'd expect him to be given his physical gifts.

 

Edit: I also think Thomas can probably run more routes than he showed in college. There's no reason he shouldn't be dynamic on crossers and slants; I kinda think a part of why you didn't see much of it is because Jaylen Daniels struggles on those throws. Daniels was mostly a curl route/vertical route thrower and as a result, that's the vast majority of what Thomas got to do. Not to mention Nabers is understandably better in terms of acceleration so when they did try to target the middle of the field, it was generally Nabers getting to do it. This is obviously me projecting a bit though.

Edited February 28 by DCOrange

[John from Riverside]

Troy Franklin or Brian Thomas Junior or Leggette please

[BBFL]

Curious as to why people dislike this pick. Watching the tape he’s very fluid in setting up defenders to get leverage. Sure the route tree footage isn’t there but if you watch what is on tape he has the necessary tools in terms of footwork, explosiveness and effective release that shows with some refinement he could be the real deal when coupled with his high pointing, length and ball tracking. Definite room for improvement but none that is an absolute detriment that can prevent him from becoming dominant. 
 

If he tests well at the combine he’s easily slotting as close to, if not before, the Odunze pick. MHJ & Nabers followed closely by those two. 

[HappyDays]

20 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I don't think Thomas is as good in contested catch situations as DK was, but he is quite good at it statistically and there's plenty of it on film as well.

 

Maybe I just haven't seen it. Anything I've watched or read on him makes it seem like he struggles playing through contact at the catch point. I honestly don't care about contested catch stats because it doesn't seem to match up with the film. For example I see people say Keon Coleman has a low relative contested catch rate, but you turn on the film and that clearly isn't true. I don't know what the issue is with how that stat is calculated or tracked but it just doesn't match up with what I see.

 

23 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I would say contested catches are more of an issue with Franklin, Mitchell, and Worthy if we're comparing guys that may be considered at 28.

 

On Franklin - I agree contested catches are not his strong suit. And I'm not saying I need my WR to be a contested catch specialist. Quite the opposite, it's probably the last thing I care about. But if you're going to be just a straight line vertical WR you better have some kind of alpha catch skill set, or else you will never win reps unless you flat out leave your man in the dust. Thomas can probably do that a fair amount of the time but it's such a limited skill set and doesn't project to a true #1 role. Whereas with Franklin I think he offers more than just straight line vertical speed and has the ability to become a true #1.

 

As far as Thomas's route running, you may be right that he can develop a larger tree. That is always hard to project. If he does, no doubt he is a 1st round talent. I would just prefer a better base starting point with his skill set to feel comfortable with him. I recognize I'm in the minority in my evaluation of him.

[LabattBlue]

I want to read one article in the NYT daily and don’t care about the rest of the paper.  It’s bull#### that I have to pay for the entire digital edition.  I should be able to read my article for FREE!  
 

What is this world coming to?

 

 

[DCOrange]

30 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I want to read one article in the NYT daily and don’t care about the rest of the paper.  It’s bull#### that I have to pay for the entire digital edition.  I should be able to read my article for FREE!  
 

What is this world coming to?

 

 

https://archive.ph/ is your friend

[HOUSE]

Thank God, now I can sleep at night 

[billsfan89]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

I dont think he makes it to our pick, but yes i'd love him in Buffalo.

I think he is going to be a Bengal.

 

Certainly a possibility but also possible the Bengals take Coleman or another top WR, likely I think to get Thomas the Bills may have to trade up 2-3 spots but that should be doable without giving up too much. 

[KOKBILLS]

Unless he runs slow, I really doubt Thomas will be there... But if he is, cool. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

8 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm so sick of these paywall articles. I shouldn't have to pay it to read someone's mock draft

So he should work for free just to satisfy you?

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Troy Franklin or Brian Thomas Junior or Leggette please

One of these 2 must be the selection. It's like 1a/1b.  Franklin will probably come in around 4.35 where Thomas will be around 4.45.  Franklin has better short to intermediate route projection where Thomas is the slightly better hands and straight line 50/50 route guy. You might not go wrong with either but I can be convinced that Franklin's speed will prevail.  Hopefully we don't have to trade up for either. Adonai Mitchell is more of an early 2nd round grab.

[Chaos]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Because there is always somebody here who will complain about anything. 

 

Somebody they loved did NOT get picked. We love to play the hindsight game. 

 

.

How do you measure a drafts success without hindsight? Seems most people insist you need wait five years to see how a draft actually went. 

[John from Riverside]

45 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

One of these 2 must be the selection. It's like 1a/1b.  Franklin will probably come in around 4.35 where Thomas will be around 4.45.  Franklin has better short to intermediate route projection where Thomas is the slightly better hands and straight line 50/50 route guy. You might not go wrong with either but I can be convinced that Franklin's speed will prevail.  Hopefully we don't have to trade up for either. Adonai Mitchell is more of an early 2nd round grab.

I think we are going to regret not taking our receiver with our 28th pick or a slight tray down and using our first pick on a receiver
 

At the end of the first round, these guys are going to start going fast and furious off the board

 

I’m just against taking a defensive player with that first pic every time we get into the playoffs it ends up not mattering anyway, let McDermott coach these guys up

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think we are going to regret not taking our receiver with our 28th pick or a slight tray down and using our first pick on a receiver
 

At the end of the first round, these guys are going to start going fast and furious off the board

 

I’m just against taking a defensive player with that first pic every time we get into the playoffs it ends up not mattering anyway, let McDermott coach these guys up

I'm confident Beane puts his foot down "somewhat" and demands a top wr. If one of Thomas/ Franklin make it to 28 you pounce. If he picks someone like Chop Robinson or Trice I'll lose it.

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm so sick of these paywall articles. I shouldn't have to pay it to read someone's mock draft

I mean this is their job.  Someone has to pay their salaries to do it.  I think the issue is that the main public doesn’t understand how much it costs to make content and to keep getting that content there has to be some sort of monetization of that content or they won’t be able to keep making it.   

[pennstate10]

8 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I KNOOOOOOWWWWWWW. again, I don't want to read all of their articles or watch their programming. I want to read THIS article. The game of thrones comparison is not the same thing. I pay for Netflix, I don't do it for one show. Even if I did, I understand that that's the only possible way I have access to thay show. I think it was wrong to make football fans subscribe to peacock just to watch a football game. Am I wrong for thinking that way too? The articles can be included with the ESPN plus subscription. That doesn't mean they can't make each individual article free to the reader. 

[Buffalo03]

9 hours ago, SWATeam said:

The mock draft is someone's content that they worked to make.  Why should it be free?

Why should any article online be free then? There are millions all over the place online about a million different things that people can read free of charge. Why are they free?