Tua expected to sign an extension with Miami this offseason, per Schefter

[billsbackto81]

On 2/2/2024 at 8:41 PM, Lost said:

Don't cave TUA, anything less than $70 mil/year is an insult to your talent.  

Hope he shows them the receipts he's keeping. 

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Deserves? Purdy has his team one win away from a SB championship, yet Allen(who has yet to participate in a SB) deserves to be paid, but not Purdy?

I get it.

 

But Purdy doesn't have to deal with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow,  Lamar or even Stroud in his conference. Plus he also has an All Pro at every skill position.

[H2o]

3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

But he's the MVP right? How can he not be worth it? Teams should be dying to get a QB like that. Unless...he's not that good

The sports media slobbers all over him, and they pump him up for a number of reasons. None of it means that execs see him the same way, nor do most fans who have a more in depth knowledge of the game and aren't swayed by the bobbleheads on TV. He's not worth putting your team up against it cap wise and two 1st's, no. 

[GoBills!]

He is a good dude and I do hope he gets a ton of money, but to me they basically have Tannehill 2.0 with Tua, just good enough to tolerate for 5-8 years and a few coaches. Rinse and repeat.

[DJB]

 

Im going to quote my own post just so I can leave a 😂

Edited February 29 by DJB

[Don Otreply]

He should insist on 100 % guaranteed salary, they need to show the little guy some luv, 😁👍

[Buffalo_Stampede]

We laugh but Miami is set at QB and can build around him. They will compete for the AFC every year with Tua.

[Mynamemike]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We laugh but Miami is set at QB and can build around him. They will compete for the AFC every year with Tua.

Sure they can compete with him but you could say that about a lot of guys with the talent at the skill positions they have.  IMO they’d be more dangerous with a Kirk Cousins or someone else that can push the ball down field.  
 

I think Tua is a top notch human but he has some serious limitations as a quarterback.  He’s shown limited arm strength and struggles dearly when his first read isn’t open.  That’s not a guy you pay top dollar for.  

[KDIGGZ]

4? Hopefully it's 6-7 years

[Coffeesforclosers]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We laugh but Miami is set at QB and can build around him. They will compete for the AFC every year until just about Thanksgiving. 

 

Fixed that for you. 

[BillsFan130]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We laugh but Miami is set at QB and can build around him. They will compete for the AFC every year with Tua.

Hes good, but not a great QB.

 

He needs a lot of talent around him for him to be successful.

 

Problem for him/miami is when he signs this big contract, he's simply not going to have the talent around him as he has the last couple seasons 

 

 

Edited March 1 by BillsFan130

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

On 2/2/2024 at 8:16 PM, Roundybout said:

Curious how much he gets. 

 

[DJB]

1 hour ago, Mynamemike said:

Sure they can compete with him but you could say that about a lot of guys with the talent at the skill positions they have.  IMO they’d be more dangerous with a Kirk Cousins or someone else that can push the ball down field.  
 

I think Tua is a top notch human but he has some serious limitations as a quarterback.  He’s shown limited arm strength and struggles dearly when his first read isn’t open.  That’s not a guy you pay top dollar for.  

Agreed. The verdict is out on how to defend Tua. He can’t throw deep or to the sideline just doesn’t have the arm strength 

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We laugh but Miami is set at QB and can build around him. They will compete for the AFC every year with Tua.

 

They've already built around him. How much better can they do from Hill, Waddle, Mostert, Achane? 

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We laugh but Miami is set at QB and can build around him. They will compete for the AFC every year with Tua.

They will compete, but will not achieve any dominance or sustained success with either their woefully over classed head coach or their very limited QB.  The pattern of the last two years, late season collapse, is the sustainable one for the Dolphins.  I do not blame them if they make this move that could well be their best option, but let’s not fool ourselves into believing this puts them ahead of the Bills.  

[Captain Hindsight]

24 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

They've already built around him. How much better can they do from Hill, Waddle, Mostert, Achane? 

And Ramsey and Howard and Chubb… Miami is stacked and it got them a wild card and a 1st round playoff loss for the second consecutive year 

[qwksilver]

Not that it matters but aren't they like 30+ million over the cap before Tua's contract? They will have to dump so good players or kick the can....

 

[Aussie Joe]

37 minutes ago, qwksilver said:

Not that it matters but aren't they like 30+ million over the cap before Tua's contract? They will have to dump so good players or kick the can....

 

They will actually “save” money under the 2024 cap by paying Tua…

 

His number at the moment under the 5th year option  is $23m… they will get this down by signing him to a deal and kicking it down the road …

 

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We laugh but Miami is set at QB and can build around him. They will compete for the AFC every year with Tua.

 

As long as Tyreek Hill is there, I agree.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

As long as Tyreek Hill is there, I agree.

Tyreek turning 30 this week…  Im not saying that means that he is about to fall off a cliff… but he is closer to the end then the beginning…

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, QCity said:

 

They've already built around him. How much better can they do from Hill, Waddle, Mostert, Achane? 

And they’re good. What am I missing?

Edited March 1 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Rigotz]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And they’re good. What am I missing?

 

It depends what you think they're competing for. Playoffs 1st round? Sure.

 

I would argue they have no shot of winning the SB with Tua, just based on how they've played against good teams and in the playoffs.

 

They were fantastic against bad teams and will probably have a winning record the next couple of years. Yay.

 

Is Tua going to be able to beat Mahomes, Josh, Lamar, Burrow... heck even Herbert, Stroud, and Rodgers next year?

 

I haven't seen anything that makes me feel the answer is yes, he can beat three of them in a row in the playoffs, then go beat the best of the NFC.

[Gregg]

9 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

It depends what you think they're competing for. Playoffs 1st round? Sure.

 

I would argue they have no shot of winning the SB with Tua, just based on how they've played against good teams and in the playoffs.

 

They were fantastic against bad teams and will probably have a winning record the next couple of years. Yay.

 

Is Tua going to be able to beat Mahomes, Josh, Lamar, Burrow... heck even Herbert, Stroud, and Rodgers next year?

 

I haven't seen anything that makes me feel the answer is yes, he can beat three of them in a row in the playoffs, then go beat the best of the NFC.

 

If the Dolphins can get the #1 seed, then they would have a shot at going to the Super Bowl. They struggle to play when the weather is nasty. The Chiefs game was proof of that. There are quite a few teams in the AFC where the weather can and probably will be a factor late in the year especially playoff time.

[Punching Bag]

34 minutes ago, Gregg said:

If the Dolphins can get the #1 seed, then they would have a shot at going to the Super Bowl. They struggle to play when the weather is nasty. The Chiefs game was proof of that. There are quite a few teams in the AFC where the weather can and probably will be a factor late in the year especially playoff time.

 

So reason for no d0me?  I hope new design has cold water pipes under opposition bench as equivalent to design of Mijami shading of home bench.

 

NFL should have new rule - opposing team chooses side of field it is on.  It will remove this disincentive.

P*ts would still have microphones on both side of field however.

[Low Positive]

$55 million per? I think Spotrac's projection here is too high. 

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

$55 million per? I think Spotrac's projection here is too high. 

Ya I think between 45-50.

 

48 would be my guess

[Big Turk]

11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And they’re good. What am I missing?

 

Good enough to lose to good teams that don't go for misdirection constantly and play undisciplined on defense.  Their entire offensive success is predicated on smoke and mirrors.  When that stops working against good defenses, what happens? Their offense comes to a near standstill. They have no answers because Tua is limited in what he can do...and once you force him to play to his limitations instead of his strengths, he crumbles.

 

That isn't a winning formula, especially when you are going to have to pay your QB more than double on the cap what he is making now and by extension, eliminate a lot of the money you have for keeping talent around him.  If he isn't good enough to be a difference maker when he has loaded skill positions around him, how the hell do you expect him to do it with lesser talent?  He has to make up the difference. He can't!  He is the one holding them back more than anything at this point...once he starts making $50 million a year they are likely capped at 9 wins every year.

 

I mean could you imagine Allen or Mahomes with those skill positions? They would almost never lose a game, probably would be 14-3 or 15-2 every year.

 

IMO, the Dolphins will never win the division with a healthy Josh Allen if they pay him that money.  They are done with. They are basically committing AFC East division suicide for the next 5-6 years or however long it will take for them to get out of that contract.

Edited March 1 by Big Turk

[Punching Bag]

31 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Good enough to lose to good teams that don't go for misdirection constantly and play undisciplined on defense.  Their entire offensive success is predicated on smoke and mirrors.  When that stops working against good defenses, what happens? Their offense comes to a near standstill. They have no answers because Tua is limited in what he can do...and once you force him to play to his limitations instead of his strengths, he crumbles.

 

Sounds like Lamar in playoffs other than he can run as well.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Punching Bag said:

 

Sounds like Lamar in playoffs other than he can run as well.

 

Lamar just plays his worst when the stakes are the highest, he has the talent to play great, but he just doesn't. Tua simply can't.

Edited March 1 by Big Turk

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Lamar just plays his worst when the stakes are the highest, he has the talent to play great, but he just doesn't. Tua simply can't.

 

Bills showed how to defend him in playoffs and have not seen him play well against a team which allows him to run at will.

[TheWeatherMan]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Lamar just plays his worst when the stakes are the highest, he has the talent to play great, but he just doesn't. Tua simply can't.

Tua has been best QB in the league for the past two years (weeks 1-4).  

[Big Turk]

Just now, TheWeatherMan said:

Tua has been best QB in the league for the past two years (weeks 1-4).  

 

Yes, the easiest time before teams get a bead on your gameplans and DC's are playing catchup.  But he didn't look so great against the Bills during that time.

[Warcodered]

15 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Tyreek turning 30 this week…  Im not saying that means that he is about to fall off a cliff… but he is closer to the end then the beginning…

and is apparently struggling against Instagram influencers in the offseason.

[Coffeesforclosers]

13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And they’re good. What am I missing?

 

That they are loaded with offensive talent.

 

That they always start off super hot.

 

That they always collapse in December. 

 

That they always limp into the playoffs and get one-and-done'd, if they make it at all. 

 

Meaning their team is weak willed, undisciplined, and poorly coached. They are perfect when everything is going perfectly. They are terrible whenever things aren't perfect. 

[TBBills Fan]

Give tua the bag of money!

[Prospector]

4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I think between 45-50.

 

48 would be my guess

47.5 to be exact

[sven233]

4 hours ago, Low Positive said:

$55 million per? I think Spotrac's projection here is too high. 

 

Seriously?  No way.....it's way too low if anything. 

 

I think they should give him $80 million per (fully guaranteed).

Edited March 1 by sven233

[Shaw66]

5 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

It depends what you think they're competing for. Playoffs 1st round? Sure.

 

I would argue they have no shot of winning the SB with Tua, just based on how they've played against good teams and in the playoffs.

 

They were fantastic against bad teams and will probably have a winning record the next couple of years. Yay.

 

Is Tua going to be able to beat Mahomes, Josh, Lamar, Burrow... heck even Herbert, Stroud, and Rodgers next year?

 

I haven't seen anything that makes me feel the answer is yes, he can beat three of them in a row in the playoffs, then go beat the best of the NFC.

I agree.  I think one important things that separates QBs is how they perform off-script.  That's what we saw in the Super Bowl.  Brock Purdy is great when the play goes as designed.   One read or two reads and throw.   But when he gets beyond a couple of clicks, his efficiency goes way down.  Against good opponents, that can be as many as half the plays, and having an inefficient QB on half your plays is a bad thing.  

 

I think Tua is the same.  If Waddell or Hill opens up on schedule, he's great.  The rest of time, not so much. 

 

I'll take all those guys you named over Tua. 

[JohnNord]

Tua turned out to be a better QB than I predicted years ago.   But given his limitations and the way that Miami’s offense has faltered down the stretch the past 2 season, I think enough of a sample size define his limitations.  

 

I don’t think Mike McDaniel gets enough credit for the job he’s done to build an offense around what Tua does well.  It makes you wonder how much more he do to improve the pieces around the QB.

 

Edited March 1 by JohnNord

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Tua turned out to be a better QB than I predicted years ago.   But given his limitations and the way that Miami’s offense has faltered down the stretch the past 2 season, I think enough of a sample size define his limitations.  

 

I don’t think Mike McDaniel gets enough credit for the job he’s done to build an offense around what Tua does well.  It makes you wonder how much more he do to improve the pieces around the QB.

Tua turned out to be a better QB than I predicted years ago.   But given his limitations and the way that Miami’s offense has faltered down the stretch the past 2 season, I think enough of a sample size define his limitations.  

 

I don’t think Mike McDaniel gets enough credit for the job he’s done to build an offense around what Tua does well.  It makes you wonder how much more he do to improve the pieces around the QB.