C.Biscuit97 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. 8 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) You got it. We've been a very good team with a great QB and our team has been very good in the regular season but not great in clutch playoff games. Yes, it beats the drought years, but the funny thing with expectations is the higher you set them the more disappointing it is not to make them. So, in a weird way losing in the playoffs hurts a lot more than not making them. Edited January 28 by Nephilim17 6 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said: You got it. We've been a very good team with a great QB that's very good in the regular season but not great in clutch playoff games. Yes, it beats the drought years, but the funny thing with expectations is the higher you set them the more disappointing it is not to make them. So, in a weird way losing in the playoffs hurts a lot more than not making them. Happiness is a product of your expectations. I might have killed a person (a bad one) to have this season during the drought years. Now it’s like a bit of a wasted season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: You got it. We've been a very good team with a great QB that's very good in the regular season but not great in clutch playoff games. Yes, it beats the drought years, but the funny thing with expectations is the higher you set them the more disappointing it is not to make them. So, in a weird way losing in the playoffs hurts a lot more than not making them. Nothing hurts more than a December home game when you’re mathematically eliminated. You just forgot how much it hurt. 4 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 Just now, FireChans said: Nothing hurts more than a December home game when you’re mathematically eliminated. You just forgot how much it hurt. Obviously you don’t remember Brian Brohm’s electric start against Atlanta!!! 🔥🔥🔥 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Obviously you don’t remember Brian Brohm’s electric start against Atlanta!!! 🔥🔥🔥 I think I went to Matt Cassel vs Trent Edwards, season finale at home in 2008. Miserable conditions. My gloves needed gloves. Anyone who says that sucks less than losing to what might be the second greatest or greatest QB/coach combo in NFL history in the playoffs is actually insane. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 It's not the kind of overview that you want to be on the wrong side of. We're underachievers, not overachievers. We are unlucky, not lucky. I don't believe in curses, at all - but it's weird. We seem to have a team that has a large weight of history on it now. It seems like we keep adding to that weight every year, and it becomes progressively harder to overcome. So many "what ifs." It's crazy. It will make it that much better if we finally get a title, but I do wonder if we ever will. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) One AFC championship appearance in that span is unacceptable. And I honestly don't think McDermott is anywhere close to being on the hot seat. Edited January 27 by Process 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. Nice thread, I would say the main culprit is scheme / play design and making adjustments on both sides of the ball, (coaches) and a lack of difference makers / elite weapons on offense, for example, a killer #1b WR would make a gigantic difference jmo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The really hard thing is that Te AFC may have its best era of QB’s. The Bills have to compliment JA with a D and a ST’s group if they hope to get to the promised land. The remainder of the AFC is too good for JA to do it alone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 This is all I wanted during the drought. I would say "I just want the Bills to be relevant." If you don't live outside of the area, you have no idea how invisible the Bills were outside of WNY for 18 years. But now I want more of course. I guess it's like money; you can never have enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. Well, at least your other favorite team still has a chance tomorrow! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. Maybe next year the Bills can find a way to avoid Mahomes AND Burrow in the playoffs. They can surely make it with that scenario right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 38 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. Curious what those numbers would look like if filtered vs teams that made playoffs each year. And then add Bills playoff games. Not sure it would look too good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 11 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Maybe next year the Bills can find a way to avoid Mahomes AND Burrow in the playoffs. They can surely make it with that scenario right? just cross your fingers we don’t meet Jacksonville in the playoffs either! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Maybe next year the Bills can find a way to avoid Mahomes AND Burrow in the playoffs. They can surely make it with that scenario right? CJ Stroud throws for 350 yards and 4 TD’s as the Bills fall 38-35 on a last second 52 yard FG in the 2025 Divisional Round. (Insert McDermott excuse here) 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. It’s almost as if there’s something holding back an otherwise stellar team. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 18 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Curious what those numbers would look like if filtered vs teams that made playoffs each year. And then add Bills playoff games. Not sure it would look too good. The metrics on offense for the playoffs would look stellar. Likely top 3 in all categories for efficiency and maybe volume. The defense would look very mediocre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Two reasons: 1) Too many injuries 2) Andy Reid & Patrick Mahomes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) The problem with these stats is that they're all averages. Yes, it all adds up to great records YoY, and good teams/etc. But in the big moments, against the best teams, this team fails year after year. A lot of that blame I put squarely on the coach. Edited January 27 by ALLinALLEN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 33 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Maybe next year the Bills can find a way to avoid Mahomes AND Burrow in the playoffs. They can surely make it with that scenario right? “You gotta have faith.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 25 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Curious what those numbers would look like if filtered vs teams that made playoffs each year. And then add Bills playoff games. Not sure it would look too good. That’s the point? ”Aw man, it really sucks being the 4th best playoff team, I’m so happy our team is 5-11 and talking about taking a left tackle with the 4th overall pick” - said nobody, ever. 11 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: It’s almost as if there’s something holding back an otherwise stellar team. The rat and his handler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 It’s simple : they didn’t beat the team in front of them that was required to make a AFCCG /Super Bowl. That’s it. You only have to be better than your opponent on that day, but you only get that single day to do it. Simple , but not easy. Sometimes it’s matchups, others it’s finding a way to make one or two more plays than the other guy. Your regular season earns you a chance, but you only get one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Happiness is a product of your expectations. I might have killed a person (a bad one) to have this season during the drought years. Now it’s like a bit of a wasted season You see the Lions fans feeling exactly how we did in 2019/2020. They finally broke thru. They’re all excited about the possibilities and will be happy win or lose. But like you said, at this point, it’s a Super Bowl or nothing every year for a lot of our outlooks. Which sure, we should have met at least once. But we didn’t and it really leaves us sort of miserable as we go down this journey. This is the most enjoyable period outside maybe the early 90s and sometimes it doesn't feel like it. Edited January 27 by Mikie2times 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Yards per play given up in each of our last 5 playoff losses (kneeldowns excluded): Chiefs 2024 - 8.5 Bengals 2023 - 6.0 Chiefs 2022 - 7.6 Chiefs 2021 - 7.4 Texans 2020 - 5.6 As a point of reference, the worst defense in the league this gave up 6.0 yards per play. Our best effort on here, 5.6 yards per play, would have ranked 27th. So there are two possibilities to finally break through in the playoffs. Either our defense stops giving up historically bad yards per play, or we build up our offensive supporting cast so that it can consistently produce historically great yards per play. It's very hard to win games when your yards per play differential is negative. 3 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The answer to this is simple. McDermott. While I am not on a crusade to see his head a platter, he can not manage a game period. He has done some good things here but I have wanted him gone since 13 seconds. Unfortunately, it has gotten worse and I fully expect it to trend in that direction. 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) The first loss vs Houston in 2019 was on the team being young and inexperienced. The 2020 loss in KC was similar. But the last 3: 2021 13 seconds is completely on McD, Frazier and the STs coach 2022 Injuries and a drama filled season hurt us but the McD, Frazier and Dorsey complete failed in preparation, attitude and execution to prepare for the Bengals in the playoff game and to deal with the weather in our own house!! 2023 Injuries hurt us badly but in the end its the coaching and decision making in the last 2 minutes of the KC playoff game which sealed our fate. Not getting to the SB at least once is unacceptable. McD is a good coach but has blown our chances 3/5 times. Edited January 27 by Livinginthepast 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 McD is not a top 15 HC. Look at what’s happening with HCs (Harbaugh, Billacheat). Put it this way, if McD were on his sofa, would he get a new HC gig? I don’t think so. Fine DC, Ops Mgr but bad O, OC, game Mgr. it will be tough to overcome the final 8 with McD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Problem is….. the toughest opponent for the Bills has been the BILLS. If you can’t stop beating yourself, you ain’t beating any quality team in the playoffs. Hence the CONTINUOUS playoff disappointments, WTH no end in sight. Josh being a one man gang won’t get it done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. Peyton Manning considered a top 3 QB of all time only won 2 himself, the last one being carried by an insanely good Bronco’s defense. Not to mention Elway, Favre, Brees are top 10 QBs and only have one a piece as well. People don’t understand how hard it is to win it all even with an elite QB. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 More fun facts: 24 regular season losses over the last five years. Of those losses, only six have been by more than one score. Five post-season losses. Two by more than one score. Zero and four OT record in regular season; 0 - 2 OT record in the playoffs. Only one regular season loss in the last three years by more than one score. That’s a really remarkable stat. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Every season, there are 31 teams that are failures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 20 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Peyton Manning considered a top 3 QB of all time only won 2 himself, the last one being carried by an insanely good Bronco’s defense. Not to mention Elway, Favre, Brees are top 10 QBs and only have one a piece as well. People don’t understand how hard it is to win it all even with an elite QB. Elway won two. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, st pete gogolak said: More fun facts: 24 regular season losses over the last five years. Of those losses, only six have been by more than one score. Five post-season losses. Two by more than one score. Zero and four OT record in regular season; 0 - 2 OT record in the playoffs. Only one regular season loss in the last three years by more than one score. That’s a really remarkable stat. You mean, "couldn't win the close games." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Yards per play given up in each of our last 5 playoff losses (kneeldowns excluded): Chiefs 2024 - 8.5 Bengals 2023 - 6.0 Chiefs 2022 - 7.6 Chiefs 2021 - 7.4 Texans 2020 - 5.6 As a point of reference, the worst defense in the league this gave up 6.0 yards per play. Our best effort on here, 5.6 yards per play, would have ranked 27th. So there are two possibilities to finally break through in the playoffs. Either our defense stops giving up historically bad yards per play, or we build up our offensive supporting cast so that it can consistently produce historically great yards per play. It's very hard to win games when your yards per play differential is negative. Correcto Mundo! Staggeringly bad numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 44 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Elway won two. Oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Process said: One AFC championship appearance in that span is unacceptable. And I honestly don't think McDermott is anywhere close to being on the hot seat. Yup, thank God that the Pegulas and Bean have a brain in their heads and know when they have a superb head coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Since1981 said: McD is not a top 15 HC. Look at what’s happening with HCs (Harbaugh, Billacheat). Put it this way, if McD were on his sofa, would he get a new HC gig? I don’t think so. Fine DC, Ops Mgr but bad O, OC, game Mgr. it will be tough to overcome the final 8 with McD I've been vocal that we should hire someone else this offseason - but only because of the coaches who are available. It's rare to have this many proven coaches out there. But, I disagree that he is not top 15, and would even argue that he is top 10. Coaching in the league is simply not very good. Reid, Harbaugh & Demeco Ryans are excellent, imo. After that, it drops off. Sirianni was hot last year, but his team totally fizzled this year. McDaniel was hyped, but I wouldn't want him. I like Dan Campbell, but he still has to prove he can get to a SB also. Pederson won a SB, but really squandered a talented Jags team this season. Like, who is that much better than McDermott out of maybe a top 5-7 guys? He's a solid coach. And he would for sure be a hot candidate if he were available. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Success said: I've been vocal that we should hire someone else this offseason - but only because of the coaches who are available. It's rare to have this many proven coaches out there. But, I disagree that he is not top 15, and would even argue that he is top 10. Coaching in the league is simply not very good. Reid, Harbaugh & Demeco Ryans are excellent, imo. After that, it drops off. Sirianni was hot last year, but his team totally fizzled this year. McDaniel was hyped, but I wouldn't want him. I like Dan Campbell, but he still has to prove he can get to a SB also. Pederson won a SB, but really squandered a talented Jags team this season. Like, who is that much better than McDermott out of maybe a top 5-7 guys? He's a solid coach. And he would for sure be a hot candidate if he were available. I’d certainly add McVay to that list. Peyton? Tomlin is a McDermott clone with a SB ring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: You got it. We've been a very good team with a great QB that's very good in the regular season but not great in clutch playoff games. Yes, it beats the drought years, but the funny thing with expectations is the higher you set them the more disappointing it is not to make them. So, in a weird way losing in the playoffs hurts a lot more than not making them. This is a good point. Not only do expectations lend themselves to greater disappointment but the weekly wins are severely dulled. During the drought a big win made my week. I rode that wave of joy for days in the hopes of this being the year we would win enough of these that we make the playoffs. Not any more, and especially now. Off two straight divisional playoff losses AT HOME (!?) all I will think about is playoffs and if we finally break through. With optimistic anticipation and dread in my gut the whole time as weeks 1-17 roll by. The weekly joy is gone. With all that said. This clearly is still the better place to be. But this is the reality I will live until we finally break through, or return to the doldrums and expectations are lowered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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