Nephilim17 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, Billever76 said: Our quarterback is the 5th highest rated passer in nfl post season history...it's absolutely hilarious when anyone tries to label allen as a reason how we haven't made a superbowl...absolutely comicalĀ 13 minutes ago, peterpan said: Sorry, I meant to say the TEAM has not been great in clutch situations. That was not meant to say Allen has not been great in clutch situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Youāre creating a loser mentality in your head. The Bills are one of the best teams in the NFL.Ā Yup, they are, but people saying have to wait til Reid retires before Buffalo can win is loser defeatist mentality. Ā Buffalo needs to go and take it not wait and hope to win by default, please. Edited January 28 by LarryMadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: Yup, they are, but people saying have to wait til Reid retires before Buffalo can win is loser defeatist mentality. Ā Buffalo needs to go and take it not wait and hope to win by default, please. The Bills can beat the Chiefs. The Chiefs arenāt dominating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 hours ago, JohninMinn. said: Imagine attending and losing 4 Super Bowls in a row. That means you imagine getting to 5 AFC championship games in 6 years and winning 4 of themĀ Ā -Ā I loved it !!! Ā McDermott's teams have fallen far far short of thatĀ !Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Really need the Ravens to hold them to 3 this drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 hours ago, jahbonas said: That means you imagine getting to 5 AFC championship games in 6 years and winning 4 of themĀ Ā -Ā I loved it !!! Ā McDermott's teams have fallen far far short of thatĀ !Ā I tried the AFC remedy. It doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/27/2024 at 1:14 PM, HappyDays said: Yards per play given up in each of our last 5 playoff losses (kneeldowns excluded): Ā Chiefs 2024 - 8.5 Bengals 2023 - 6.0 Chiefs 2022 - 7.6 Chiefs 2021 - 7.4 Texans 2020 - 5.6 Ā As a point of reference, the worst defense in the league this gave up 6.0 yards per play. Our best effort on here, 5.6 yards per play, would have ranked 27th. Ā So there are two possibilities to finally break through in the playoffs. Either our defense stops giving up historically bad yards per play, or we build up our offensive supporting cast so that it can consistently produce historically great yards per play. It's very hard to win games when your yards per play differential is negative. Do you have these stats from McDermotts time in Carolina as well? Curious if they paint the same picture.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/27/2024 at 12:04 PM, Process said: One AFC championship appearance in that span is unacceptable.Ā Ā And I honestly don't think McDermott is anywhere close to being on the hot seat.Ā Ā I actually think anything less than a Championship game appearance next year he could be out On 1/27/2024 at 12:22 PM, freddyjj said: Curious what those numbers would look like if filtered vs teams that made playoffs each year. And then add Bills playoff games.Ā Ā Not sure it would look too good. Couldn't you say this about any good team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/27/2024 at 1:59 PM, Since1981 said: McD is not a top 15 HC.Ā Look at whatās happening with HCs (Harbaugh, Billacheat). Put it this way, if McD were on his sofa, would he get a new HC gig? I donāt think so. Fine DC, Ops Mgr but bad O, OC, game Mgr.Ā Ā it will be tough to overcome the final 8 with McD Lmao. You think if McD was not coaching right now he wouldn't find another job? Andy Reid got another opportunity, Schottenheimer got 4, Belichick was a complete failure in Cleveland and he got another opportunity but you think teams wouldn't entertain the idea of McDermott? š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: Lmao. You think if McD was not coaching right now he wouldn't find another job? Andy Reid got another opportunity, Schottenheimer got 4, Belichick was a complete failure in Cleveland and he got another opportunity but you think teams wouldn't entertain the idea of McDermott? š The Panthers would have had him for 2024 Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Aussie Joe said: The Panthers would have had him for 2024 Ā I think any team that is that bad would entertain the idea of McDermottĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Lmao. You think if McD was not coaching right now he wouldn't find another job? Andy Reid got another opportunity, Schottenheimer got 4, Belichick was a complete failure in Cleveland and he got another opportunity but you think teams wouldn't entertain the idea of McDermott? š If we fire him after a division win/divisional round loss next year he will absolutely get scooped up by another teamĀ Ā not saying he wouldnāt deserve the firing though some guys just need a change of sceneryĀ Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Buffalo03 said: I think any team that is that bad would entertain the idea of McDermottĀ He actually has some good qualities ā¦ like injecting a winning culture into a long term losing team .. he does the off field thing pretty well on the culture sideĀ Ā I Ā think he is a good motivator and leader of men.. Ā The problem is with his sideline game management ā¦ and his conservatism around coaching staff and taking chances on unproven players ā¦he showed a bit of a change this year after they went 6-6 early ā¦Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: If we fire him after a division win/divisional round loss next year he will absolutely get scooped up by another teamĀ Ā not saying he wouldnāt deserve the firing though some guys just need a change of sceneryĀ That I agree with. He will definitely get another opportunity. Not saying he will go any farther with them, thoughĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: He actually has some good qualities ā¦ like injecting a winning culture into a long term losing team .. he does the off field thing pretty well on the culture sideĀ Ā I Ā think he is a good motivator and leader of men.. Ā The problem is with his sideline game management ā¦ and his conservatism around coaching staff and taking chances on unproven players ā¦he showed a bit of a change this year after they went 6-6 early ā¦Ā I fully agree with your comment on unproven players. Green bay was killin it this year with unproven talent. The Bills won't see true potential in,say shakir until next year. His third year!! Ā Defense-play em. Oline and Dline- play em. Skill players- sit em and then when they get a chance and mess up once- sit em again.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 If you ever look at coaches like McDermott, they always get chance after chance after chance after chance. Look up any coach that has basically done what he has. You will see 8, 9, 10 years before they are finally let go. The Bills honestly aren't doing anything differently than most teams with coaches like him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 21 hours ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said: The multi-verse shows us just how poor Sean McDermottās football prospective Ā really is: McDermott traded the best quarterback in the league ā-Pat Mahomes, for a cornerback, Tre White. White will be out of the league next year. Mahomes has kept us out of the championship for the last five years, having NOT been stopped by Tre White or the rest of Seanās piss poor play off defense. Sean thinks heās George Halas, but heās only John Rauch.Ā And you think if Mahomes walked into a team of Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Deonte Johnson, Jordan Matthews, Charles Clay he would have had the sake success as he did walking onto a team with Kelce, Hill, Kareem Hunt and a HOF head coach? Edited January 29 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 52 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: And you think if Mahomes walked into a team of Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Deonte Johnson, Jordan Matthews, Charles Clay he would have had the sake success as he did walking onto a team with Kelce, Hill, Kareem Hunt and a HOF head coach? Wait, did we have a guy named Deonte Johnson?Ā 54 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: And you think if Mahomes walked into a team of Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Deonte Johnson, Jordan Matthews, Charles Clay he would have had the sake success as he did walking onto a team with Kelce, Hill, Kareem Hunt and a HOF head coach? Ha! No, it was Dionte Thompson. I remember that guy. Good speed, bad hands, always wore sleevesĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: mao. You think if McD was not coaching right now he wouldn't find another job? Andy Reid got another opportunity, Schottenheimer got 4, Belichick was a complete failure in Cleveland and he got another opportunity but you think teams wouldn't entertain the idea of McDermott? š you do realize your examples are from upwards of 30 years ago? predate MS Windows, internet, free agency. probably not the strongest argument. just sayinā. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Since1981 said: you do realize your examples are from upwards of 30 years ago? predate MS Windows, internet, free agency. probably not the strongest argument. just sayinā. Ā Why does it matter? Those coaches did the exact same thing McDermott has and still found multiple jobs. What does how long ago it was matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Teams like the Chiefs just seem to have another gear when it comes to the play offs & the hook up between Mahomes & Kelsey just historically great team mates . Ā Kelsey is a beast he did yesterday to the Ravens D that looked almost unbeatable the week before & made them look like the second best team in that game those guys just know how to turn it up and their defense has some studs on it that the Bills don't have . Especially this year due to injury . Ā Von was suppose to be the Chris Jones for the Bills & even though Ed was paid & had a good season they man handled him & our D ! Ā Which i for one will give a pass with all of the injuries, it's hard for your D to be good with your 4th & 5th LBer & your 3rd & 4th CB's on your depth chart playing for your pro bowl players that have been lost to injury . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/27/2024 at 12:43 PM, Albany,n.y. said: Two reasons: 1) Too many injuries 2) Andy Reid & Patrick Mahomes Thatās three reasonsā¦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) Chiefs are just so clutchā¦it takes more than just a qb playing well you need defensive players to step up and role players coming up with huge plays. Ā Ā I really wasnāt impressed with Andy Reid this playoff run honestly lol I think he got carried a bit. Ā Donāt think he really added a ton of value. Ā Doesnāt mean thatās true for the past though. Ā They ran into two defenses absolutely ravaged by injuries and the ravens locked them up from midway through the second quarter on but the ravens offense bungled the gameĀ Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Teams in Super Bowl last 5 years. Yes, we should be on this list. Ā KC - Nothing needed to be said. Drafted Mahomes in 2017 and going to 4th Super Bowl since. SF - Going to second Super Bowl in 5 years (could be 4, lost two conf champs). Done it with multiple QB's. Did not have a winning season from 2014-2018.Ā PHI - Went to Super Bowl with new coach after firing the coach that won a super bowl a few years before. Playing with 2nd year QB. LAR - Went to Super Bowl after changing QB's and just a few years removed from another super bowl appearance.Ā CIN - Went to Super Bowl after 5 straight losing seasons. TB - Signed Tom Brady and went to Super Bowl. After 10+ years of no playoffs.Ā Ā One thing in common with most of these teams is change not continuity as one would expect. KC has been the most stable but has been consistent since drafting Mahomes despite some coaching staff changes and loss of key players. SF has changed QB's made significant trades, changed OC's and DC's. PHI made a head coaching change and significant player moves. LAR, CIN and TB all made significant players moves. You look at the Bills and its been a much more steady 5 years. Allen, Diggs, Hyde, Poyer, etc. The splashiest move was Miller and the in jury cut that short. Coaching changes have not been impactful - let frazier go and mcd runs show, daboll for dorsey.Ā Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Thatās three reasonsā¦ Mahomes & Reid are bundled.Ā Ā 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: Mahomes & Reid are bundled.Ā Ā Its still three, š¤£ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Its still three, š¤£ Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinatraSinger Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) I am getting tired of hearing the fire McDermott people.Ā I don't think they have a grasp of reality.Ā It is tough to win in the NFL. Ā Even the great BB in his first 5 seasons as a head coach in Cleveland made the playoffs only once and went 1-1, the following year he missed the playoffs and Cleveland ran him out of town, how do you think Cleveland feels about that now. Ā Tom Landry, certainly a great coach, didn't even have a winning record for his first 6 seasons.Ā In his first 4 seasons making the playoffs he was 1-4.Ā Didn't win his 1st SB until his 12th year coaching, then won a second in year 18 so it took him another 6 years to get back to the SB. Ā Then there is the great and powerful Andy Read.Ā In his first 14 seasons as a head coach with Philadelphia he made the playoffs 9 times and his record was 10-9, going to the SB just once and losing.Ā Ā Philadelphia ran him out of town and he went to KC.Ā Even in KC he made the Playoffs 5 of his first 6 years and his record was 2-5.Ā So in his first 14 playoff seasons his record was 12-14 which is basically the same win percentage as McDermott.Ā It was not until his 21st season as a head coach that he won a SB.Ā Philadelphia gave up on him, they probably regretted it for a while, KC stayed with him even though his playoff record was 2-5 in 6 seasons and now Andy Read is basically considered God of all the coaches. Ā It obviously took Read many seasons to learn and get it right.Ā I'll stick with McDermott because I think he will get it right sooner or later.Ā Ā Oh, and one more.Ā The great John Madden, second best win percentage ever.Ā In his first 7 seasons he made the playoffs 6 times and his recordĀ was 5-6, sound familiar. Edited January 29 by SinatraSinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I think it's simple: The Bills have the second best quarterback on planet earth. The BEST quarterback on planet earth, unfortunately, also plays in the AFC. This is why the Bills have not yet won a Super Bowl. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 27 minutes ago, Logic said: I think it's simple: The Bills have the second best quarterback on planet earth. The BEST quarterback on planet earth, unfortunately, also plays in the AFC. This is why the Bills have not yet won a Super Bowl. Ā No. Ā 9 GWS > 6 GWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 38 minutes ago, SinatraSinger said: I am getting tired of hearing the fire McDermott people.Ā I don't think they have a grasp of reality.Ā It is tough to win in the NFL. Ā Even the great BB in his first 5 seasons as a head coach in Cleveland made the playoffs only once and went 1-1, the following year he missed the playoffs and Cleveland ran him out of town, how do you think Cleveland feels about that now. Ā Tom Landry, certainly a great coach, didn't even have a winning record for his first 6 seasons.Ā In his first 4 seasons making the playoffs he was 1-4.Ā Didn't win his 1st SB until his 12th year coaching, then won a second in year 18 so it took him another 6 years to get back to the SB. Ā Then there is the great and powerful Andy Read.Ā In his first 14 seasons as a head coach with Philadelphia he made the playoffs 9 times and his record was 10-9, going to the SB just once and losing.Ā Ā Philadelphia ran him out of town and he went to KC.Ā Even in KC he made the Playoffs 5 of his first 6 years and his record was 2-5.Ā So in his first 14 playoff seasons his record was 12-14 which is basically the same win percentage as McDermott.Ā It was not until his 21st season as a head coach that he won a SB.Ā Philadelphia gave up on him, they probably regretted it for a while, KC stayed with him even though his playoff record was 2-5 in 6 seasons and now Andy Read is basically considered God of all the coaches. Ā It obviously took Read many seasons to learn and get it right.Ā I'll stick with McDermott because I think he will get it right sooner or later.Ā Ā Oh, and one more.Ā The great John Madden, second best win percentage ever.Ā In his first 7 seasons he made the playoffs 6 times and his recordĀ was 5-6, sound familiar. The question isn't if Sean McDermott will EVER win a Super Bowl, it's if he can win one here in Buffalo with Josh Allen. The time is ticking with Allen, we can't wait another 10 years from him to āfigure it outā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 11 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: Ā No. Ā 9 GWS > 6 GWS 6 GWS has rings and trophies. 9 has none.Ā How do you account for this? I am presuming you will say that it's more due to the acumen of their respective shark handlers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 We are the Manning/Dungy Colts revisited. Great QB and loser HC battling against the greatest QB and HC of the era.Ā We will be lucky to get a single SuperBowl and it will only happen like Manning did it. During the SuperBowl run while down at home he waived off the punt team and overruled his HC to keep the drive alive and start a comeback. Josh will need to do the same one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, Logic said: I think it's simple: The Bills have the second best quarterback on planet earth. The BEST quarterback on planet earth, unfortunately, also plays in the AFC. This is why the Bills have not yet won a Super Bowl. Ā If you're going to remove coaching from the equation, it is really the rest of the rosters where the Chiefs have us cleanly beat. Even if you want to say Mahomes is better than Allen, the difference between them isn't that great. To me it's much more a matter of who has more stars. Ā In past playoff matchups they had Mahomes/Kelce/Hill/Jones to our Allen/Diggs/Milano. Advantage KC. Ā This year they had Mahomes/Kelce/Jones/Sneed/Thuney/Humphrey to our Allen. Massive advantage KC. Ā Game changing players win playoff games. We only had one in our latest matchup. Hopefully Kincaid becomes one next year, maybe Shakir although I have my doubts that he can ever be more than a really dependable role player. Hopefully Diggs' drop off was in fact injury related and not a sign of what the rest of his career will look like. Hopefully the WR we draft in R1 hits the ground running and looks like a star by the end of his rookie season. So much has to go right for us to make up the sizeable talent gap between us and the Chiefs, especially if the coaching gap is also as wide as I believe it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, SinatraSinger said: I am getting tired of hearing the fire McDermott people.Ā I don't think they have a grasp of reality.Ā It is tough to win in the NFL. Ā Even the great BB in his first 5 seasons as a head coach in Cleveland made the playoffs only once and went 1-1, the following year he missed the playoffs and Cleveland ran him out of town, how do you think Cleveland feels about that now. Ā Tom Landry, certainly a great coach, didn't even have a winning record for his first 6 seasons.Ā In his first 4 seasons making the playoffs he was 1-4.Ā Didn't win his 1st SB until his 12th year coaching, then won a second in year 18 so it took him another 6 years to get back to the SB. Ā Then there is the great and powerful Andy Read.Ā In his first 14 seasons as a head coach with Philadelphia he made the playoffs 9 times and his record was 10-9, going to the SB just once and losing.Ā Ā Philadelphia ran him out of town and he went to KC.Ā Even in KC he made the Playoffs 5 of his first 6 years and his record was 2-5.Ā So in his first 14 playoff seasons his record was 12-14 which is basically the same win percentage as McDermott.Ā It was not until his 21st season as a head coach that he won a SB.Ā Philadelphia gave up on him, they probably regretted it for a while, KC stayed with him even though his playoff record was 2-5 in 6 seasons and now Andy Read is basically considered God of all the coaches. Ā It obviously took Read many seasons to learn and get it right.Ā I'll stick with McDermott because I think he will get it right sooner or later.Ā Ā Oh, and one more.Ā The great John Madden, second best win percentage ever.Ā In his first 7 seasons he made the playoffs 6 times and his recordĀ was 5-6, sound familiar. None of what you listed had Josh Allen as their QB, making this long post pointless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/28/2024 at 8:39 PM, JohninMinn. said: I tried the AFC remedy. It doesn't work. Ā My point itĀ -Ā Its far far better than what we have had under Mcdermott the last 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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