Big profile of Jason Peters - does anyone know who the bills assistant coach would have been?

[dave mcbride]

https://theathletic.com/5132569/2023/12/18/jason-peters-nfl-career-seahawks-eagles-bills/

 

He still remembers what an assistant coach told him his rookie year in Buffalo, and how much it pissed him off.

 

It’s been so long, Peters can’t even remember the coach’s name. He was sitting in a meeting, getting ripped after a lousy day of practice, just trying to keep his job for another week.

 

“You’ll never play as long as I played!” the coach screamed.

 

Peters stored those words away, never letting them leave his mind. The coach had played forever — something like 17 or 18 years in the league, Peters remembers — and he knew the odds were against anyone in that room lasting half that long. “The average NFL career is three seasons,” Peters says. “That’s it. Three seasons and you’re done.”

 

( @BADOLBILZ )

Edited December 20, 2023 by dave mcbride

[colin]

it sounds like that coach did a huge thing helping peters at his earliest and most critical stage.

[Brit]

Perhaps Tim Krumrie? Apparently none of our coaches played in the NFL for anything like 17 years, Krumrie managed 12.

 

www.profootballarchives.com/2004nflbuf.html

 

[John from Riverside]

So poorly handled

[BearNorth]

O line coach that year was the revered Mouse McNally. His asst was Frank Verducci, who was also the TE coach.

[BuffaloBobs]

I am not sure that the details are correct.

 

According to the archive of the team website, the only two offensive coaches that had any type of long professional playing career from 2004-2007 were Sam Wyche the quarterbacks coach and Tom Clements (CFL) the offensive coordinator with both playing 12 years. It's hard to imagine either getting into it with a rookie, undrafted backup offensive lineman.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by BuffaloBobs

[BearNorth]

Just now, BuffaloBobs said:

I am not sure that the details are correct.

 

According to the archive of the team website, the only two offensive coaches that had any type of long professional playing career from 2004-2007 were Sam Wyche the quarterbacks coach and Tom Clements (CFL) the offensive coordinator with both playing 12 years. It's hard to imagine either getting into it with a rookie, undrafted backup offensive lineman.

 

 

But McNally by that time had been coaching in the league for 23 years.  Maybe something got lost in translation or the passing of time.

[BRH]

Any coach running around comparing his players to himself is not going to last very long as a coach IMO. 

Also, don’t forget, in Peters’ first year here he was a huge tight end and special teams freak.  He didn’t become a LT until later. 

[T master]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

https://theathletic.com/5132569/2023/12/18/jason-peters-nfl-career-seahawks-eagles-bills/

 

He still remembers what an assistant coach told him his rookie year in Buffalo, and how much it pissed him off.

 

It’s been so long, Peters can’t even remember the coach’s name. He was sitting in a meeting, getting ripped after a lousy day of practice, just trying to keep his job for another week.

 

“You’ll never play as long as I played!” the coach screamed.

 

Peters stored those words away, never letting them leave his mind. The coach had played forever — something like 17 or 18 years in the league, Peters remembers — and he knew the odds were against anyone in that room lasting half that long. “The average NFL career is three seasons,” Peters says. “That’s it. Three seasons and you’re done.”

 

( @BADOLBILZ )

 

He should be praising that coach especially if he was the coach that told him he needed to change positions because if he didn't he probably would have still been a half decent TE but instead he became a HOF - LT ...

 

Edit : Even though i didn't like the way Peters situation here in Buffalo went when he left because i though the was a bit ungrateful for what the Bills had shown him in him self .

 

 I thought it might be cool for him to come back to B/lo when they were thinking they might need another veteran guard to finish his career where it started and to get him another trophy on his way out  ...

Edited December 20, 2023 by T master

[Punching Bag]

http://www.billsdaily.com/ has lots of historical stuff year by year although they have been inactive for years.

If someone is interested they can go back and see who was part of team but I will not make effort for Peters.

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBobs said:

I am not sure that the details are correct.

 

According to the archive of the team website, the only two offensive coaches that had any type of long professional playing career from 2004-2007 were Sam Wyche the quarterbacks coach and Tom Clements (CFL) the offensive coordinator with both playing 12 years. It's hard to imagine either getting into it with a rookie, undrafted backup offensive lineman.

 

 

I remember seeing him at training camp his rookie year at SJF.  He looked like a heavy Bruce Smith.  The guy beside me said he was a rookie TE.  I said “Really?”  I don’t know if Bills ever used him as TE.

[Man with No Name]

honestly sounds like a story that might be made up. convenient for a 20 year nfl player to have had a quote like this said to him in the beginning, but doesn't remember who. 

 

it's just a neat little quote to fit a narrative. i'll give it 50/50. 

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Man with No Name said:

honestly sounds like a story that might be made up. convenient for a 20 year nfl player to have had a quote like this said to him in the beginning, but doesn't remember who. 

 

it's just a neat little quote to fit a narrative. i'll give it 50/50. 

 

It may not be made up.  It may be mixed up from too many head injuries.

[2003Contenders]

When he was originally brought in, I am not sure that anyone on the Bills (or in the league) knew what to do with him. Was he a jumbo TE? Offensive tackle? Defensive lineman? Purely special teams? So it may not be that the coach in question was even an offensive line coach. May have been special teams -- or even a defensive coach.

 

I can't remember the full chronology of Peters' tenure here with the Bills. I do know that he played some special teams (blocked a punt, I recall) and some DT as well before he settled in at RT. I believe he became the starting RT in his 2nd season (2005?) and did so well that he signed a contract extension a year or so later (2006 or 2007). Then he was moved to LT -- and was unhappy that he was being paid like a RT, even though he had developed into an elite LT. That's when he had Parker started playing hardball... and was traded to Philly after the 2008 season.

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by 2003Contenders

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, Brit said:

Perhaps Tim Krumrie? Apparently none of our coaches played in the NFL for anything like 17 years, Krumrie managed 12.

 

www.profootballarchives.com/2004nflbuf.html

 

 

Had to have been a defensive coach.   Krumrie, Jerry Gray, and Don Blackmon all had more than average years of service in the NFL.  But Krumrie for sure had the longest. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, colin said:

it sounds like that coach did a huge thing helping peters at his earliest and most critical stage.

The right words, even harshly spoken, can have a lasting positive impact. 
 

 

many such cases

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

The biggest blunder in franchise history was not retaining this guy. 

[djp14150]

28 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The biggest blunder in franchise history was not retaining this guy. 

They traded him for just 2 1st round pick that was a lat 1st.  They should have gotten more.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I recall rumors about Jason Peters from the BBMB. 

[Rubes]

2 hours ago, BRH said:

Any coach running around comparing his players to himself is not going to last very long as a coach IMO. 

Also, don’t forget, in Peters’ first year here he was a huge tight end and special teams freak.  He didn’t become a LT until later. 

 

Still remember him making one of the best plays I've ever seen in a game by a big guy. Blocked a punt against Cincinnati, ran after it and recovered it in the end zone for a TD. Couldn't believe a guy that large could move fast enough to do all of that.

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, Ga boy said:

I remember seeing him at training camp his rookie year at SJF.  He looked like a heavy Bruce Smith.  The guy beside me said he was a rookie TE.  I said “Really?”  I don’t know if Bills ever used him as TE.

He caught JP Losman’s first TD pass

[smward8]

If I remember correctly, he was in drafted and I was thrilled when we signed him.  I had hopes he would be a TE, running over LBs and DBs.   340 lbs

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Had to have been a defensive coach.   Krumrie, Jerry Gray, and Don Blackmon all had more than average years of service in the NFL.  But Krumrie for sure had the longest. 

Krumrie feels like the kind of old school coach that say something like that. 

[stuvian]

one of the low lights from the Decade of Fail

[boyst]

On 12/20/2023 at 10:47 AM, 2003Contenders said:

When he was originally brought in, I am not sure that anyone on the Bills (or in the league) knew what to do with him. Was he a jumbo TE? Offensive tackle? Defensive lineman? Purely special teams? So it may not be that the coach in question was even an offensive line coach. May have been special teams -- or even a defensive coach.

 

I can't remember the full chronology of Peters' tenure here with the Bills. I do know that he played some special teams (blocked a punt, I recall) and some DT as well before he settled in at RT. I believe he became the starting RT in his 2nd season (2005?) and did so well that he signed a contract extension a year or so later (2006 or 2007). Then he was moved to LT -- and was unhappy that he was being paid like a RT, even though he had developed into an elite LT. That's when he had Parker started playing hardball... and was traded to Philly after the 2008 season.

 

it wasn't that he played hardball. it was clear after the signing which was before camp and preseason that he was going to be moved to LT. the bills refused to have any good faith discussions with him once he established himself as an LT.

[Just Jack]

2004 coaching staff, from the Wayback Machine

 

Tom Clements
Offensive Coordinator

 

Mike Mularkey
Head Coach

 

Jerry Gray
Defensive Coordinator

 

Bobby April
Special Teams Coordinator

 

Don Blackmon
Linebackers Coach

 

Rusty Jones
Director of Physical Development and Assistant to the Head Coach

 

Tim Krumrie
Defensive Line Coach

 

Chuck Lester
Defensive Assistant

 

Jim McNally
Offensive Line Coach

 

Mike Miller
Tight End / Offensive Quality Control Coach

 

Brad Roll
Strength & Conditioning

 

Eric Studesville
Running Backs Coach

 

Steve Szabo
Defensive Backs Coach

 

Tyke Tolbert
Wide Receivers Coach

 

Frank Verducci
Assistant Offensive Line / Tight Ends Coach

 

Sam Wyche
Quarterbacks Coach

[Not Applicable]

I take every "My teacher/coach/whoever called me a loser for no discernible reason and look where I am today" story with a gigantic grain of salt.

[mykidsdad]

He leaves out the part where he ate the coach.

[transient]

18 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Krumrie feels like the kind of old school coach that say something like that. 

Yeah, probably after he wrestled him while wearing cowboy boots… and won. 

[Stranded in Boston]

On 12/20/2023 at 11:36 AM, Rubes said:

 

Still remember him making one of the best plays I've ever seen in a game by a big guy. Blocked a punt against Cincinnati, ran after it and recovered it in the end zone for a TD. Couldn't believe a guy that large could move fast enough to do all of that.

 

I remember that well, Rubes. The Bills also used him as a wedgebreaker on kickoffs, back when wedges were still legal. That was something to see; he was like a bowling ball, absolutely devastating. What an athlete …

[Mr. WEO]

On 12/20/2023 at 10:39 AM, Man with No Name said:

honestly sounds like a story that might be made up. convenient for a 20 year nfl player to have had a quote like this said to him in the beginning, but doesn't remember who. 

 

it's just a neat little quote to fit a narrative. i'll give it 50/50. 

definitely sounds made up

[reddogblitz]

This remains my favorite Jason Peters highlight from his time in Buffalo. (Click Watch on YouTube to see it. It's worth it.)

 

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by reddogblitz

[dave mcbride]

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

definitely sounds made up

It has come to my attention that Lomas Brown was a Bills coaching intern (unlisted) that year under Mouse McNally. Brown played for McNally for two years with the Giants in the late 1990s near the end of his career, and was under his supervision as intern. He played o-line for 18 years, so that solves the riddle! https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowLo00.htm (also, @Just Jack). 

[Captain Hindsight]

19 hours ago, Patrick Fitzryan said:

I take every "My teacher/coach/whoever called me a loser for no discernible reason and look where I am today" story with a gigantic grain of salt.

I had a bio teacher in HS that told my mom I wasn't working hard enough. It pissed me off and I got 95% + on every assignment the rest of the year and smacked the first 100 on the fridge when I got home

 

That bastard made me try 

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I had a bio teacher in HS that told my mom I wasn't working hard enough. It pissed me off and I got 95% + on every assignment the rest of the year and smacked the first 100 on the fridge when I got home

 

That bastard made me try 

I had a chem teacher call me lazy once and it really stuck with me.

 

I almost sent him a link to my TBD account to prove what I was capable of when I set my mind to something.

[Mr. WEO]

33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

It has come to my attention that Lomas Brown was a Bills coaching intern (unlisted) that year under Mouse McNally. Brown played for McNally for two years with the Giants in the late 1990s near the end of his career, and was under his supervision as intern. He played o-line for 18 years, so that solves the riddle! https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowLo00.htm (also, @Just Jack). 

 

so an unlisted coaching intern  was calling out Peters as a loser--and this lit a spark in him?

 

this becomes less believable with each new detail lol

[dave mcbride]

38 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

so an unlisted coaching intern  was calling out Peters as a loser--and this lit a spark in him?

 

this becomes less believable with each new detail lol

Based on the source I got it from, I'm quite certain that it's the truth (that Brown was the former player, that is). LOL all you want.

[Just Jack]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

It has come to my attention that Lomas Brown was a Bills coaching intern (unlisted) that year under Mouse McNally. Brown played for McNally for two years with the Giants in the late 1990s near the end of his career, and was under his supervision as intern. He played o-line for 18 years, so that solves the riddle! https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowLo00.htm (also, @Just Jack). 

 

I don't know why you're calling me out.  I'm not claiming to know which coach it was.  I just found a list of the coaches the Bills listed on their website that year.  

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Just Jack said:

 

I don't know why you're calling me out.  I'm not claiming to know which coach it was.  I just found a list of the coaches the Bills listed on their website that year.  

Not calling you out! Just alerting you to the info because I thought you might be interested.

[The Tomcat]

Mouse