Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[C.Biscuit97]

Well thank god Von gets to play this week!!!

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Everybody and their Mother can plainly see this, so what are the brain trust at OBD & down in south Florida (Terry Pegula) waiting for?! It's very puzzling.

You obviously never played a team sport at a high level and/or had to manage a locker room. 
 

It’s not as simple as “make Von inactive” in the wake of his allegations.  
 

Unless you want Buffalo to become a pariah organization that players don’t trust.  

[Bob Jones]

26 minutes ago, boyst said:

it's not a fact until proven so. it's an accusation until that point.

You and I are usually pretty much on the same wavelength, but I'm confounded here.

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone cold fact.

 

And like I said above, reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that's in there, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation (which may help or hurt VM; we don’t know yet).

 

I guess your "it's only an accusation" is referring to whether or not VM was the guy who caused her to call 911 for help, or the guy who caused the bruises on her body? So, unless she injured herself, or someone else was there in the apt and that person beat her....both of which are highly unlikely, especially when you consider VM's past history of DV....he's a wife beater, end of story. Bench him, suspend him, and find a good way to get rid of him ASAP. What he did is about a million times worse than what Matt A. was accused of, and as we found out, Matt A. did not do.

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

You obviously never played a team sport at a high level and/or had to manage a locker room. 
 

It’s not as simple as “make Von inactive” in the wake of his allegations.  
 

Unless you want Buffalo to become a pariah organization that players don’t trust.  

I have done both at a very high level and I would bench Von and not lose any sleep over it. 

[boyst]

11 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

You and I are usually pretty much on the same wavelength, but I'm confounded here.

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone cold fact.

 

And like I said above, reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that's in there, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation (which may help or hurt VM; we don’t know yet).

 

I guess your "it's only an accusation" is referring to whether or not VM was the guy who caused her to call 911 for help, or the guy who caused the bruises on her body? So, unless she injured herself, or someone else was there in the apt and that person beat her....both of which are highly unlikely, especially when you consider VM's past history of DV....he's a wife beater, end of story. Bench him, suspend him, and find a good way to get rid of him ASAP. What he did is about a million times worse than what Matt A. was accused of, and as we found out, Matt A. did not do.

could it have been some bedroom fun time results from the night before? could it be she  fell in the shower? we know less than we know.

 

do i think von miller is a good guy? i don't have much to base it on or care to judge. would i let him hang out with my wife or family? no.

 

the only reason i want him gone is because like someone else said. i cheer for this team because of it the team i cheer for. i don't care who plays as long as they play well enough to justify their role. he doesn't. he has always been a character i have not liked much.

 

and regarding his past. maybe he choses unstable women who fly off the handle and get physical with him and all he can do is physically get them away/off of him. these women call 911 and cause drama. maybe it's just he is a bad judge of character?

 

i just can't buy into getting ahead of due process but think this guy is a attention hoor clowny diva.

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, Mango said:

I have done both at a very high level and I would bench Von and not lose any sleep over it. 

 

This is not an excuse for the Bills, but every team in the league would handle this situation the exact same way they have. That's the sad reality.

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is not an excuse for the Bills, but every team in the league would handle this situation the exact same way they have. That's the sad reality.

 

You're likely very right.

 

But somehow I'm pretty shocked that Von is still on the team this week. I assumed he was done for the season and then probably his career.

[Einstein's Dog]

Reading through this thread i have now seen multiple posts saying Beane's "Out of Character" comment was a mistake to say, and False.  Do you posters really think you have more information to go on than Beane?   Beane has spent some time with Von.   It comes across as arrogant to me when posters think they have greater insight into Von's character than Beane.

 

And if Beane feels it's "Out of Character" for Von, I'm glad Beane is saying it.  It's not a mistake, and I bet it's much appreciated by Von and others in the locker room.  If McDermott doesn't know Von very well, then McD's more reserved response is appropriate.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

You and I are usually pretty much on the same wavelength, but I'm confounded here.

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone cold fact.

 

And like I said above, reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that's in there, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation (which may help or hurt VM; we don’t know yet).

 

I guess your "it's only an accusation" is referring to whether or not VM was the guy who caused her to call 911 for help, or the guy who caused the bruises on her body? So, unless she injured herself, or someone else was there in the apt and that person beat her....both of which are highly unlikely, especially when you consider VM's past history of DV....he's a wife beater, end of story. Bench him, suspend him, and find a good way to get rid of him ASAP. What he did is about a million times worse than what Matt A. was accused of, and as we found out, Matt A. did not do.

what he did was a million times worse than gang rape? Even if Von did do that, I don’t think that is true. End of story is not true.  You should know that from the Matt A. case alone.
 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Scott7975

[Starr Almighty]

59 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

You and I are usually pretty much on the same wavelength, but I'm confounded here.

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone cold fact.

 

And like I said above, reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that's in there, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation (which may help or hurt VM; we don’t know yet).

 

I guess your "it's only an accusation" is referring to whether or not VM was the guy who caused her to call 911 for help, or the guy who caused the bruises on her body? So, unless she injured herself, or someone else was there in the apt and that person beat her....both of which are highly unlikely, especially when you consider VM's past history of DV....he's a wife beater, end of story. Bench him, suspend him, and find a good way to get rid of him ASAP. What he did is about a million times worse than what Matt A. was accused of, and as we found out, Matt A. did not do.

So you rather raping a child over hitting an adult woman. I think they are both wrong but feel that the rape is way worse.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, TBBills Fan said:

Von gonna be smacking the Chiefs around on Sunday like its his baby momma

That would be a first this season. Miller should sit , if just based on his play alone. 

[Mango]

25 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Reading through this thread i have now seen multiple posts saying Beane's "Out of Character" comment was a mistake to say, and False.  Do you posters really think you have more information to go on than Beane?   Beane has spent some time with Von.   It comes across as arrogant to me when posters think they have greater insight into Von's character than Beane.

 

And if Beane feels it's "Out of Character" for Von, I'm glad Beane is saying it.  It's not a mistake, and I bet it's much appreciated by Von and others in the locker room.  If McDermott doesn't know Von very well, then McD's more reserved response is appropriate.

 

It isn't arrogance. It is an internet sports message board. The entire purpose of this place is to question the "professionals'. 

Also we have all worked with, known somebody, or knew somebody who knew somebody who pulled the wool over the eyes of everybody around them only to someday show their true character. Nobody anywhere, in any role, is infallible in talent/character identification. 

For reference here is a quote from Rick Spiellman after knowing Adrian Peterson for 8 years, after seeing pictures of what he did to his 4 year old boy with a stick.  6 years later AP was so abusive to his wife on an airplane they had to land it early and escort him off in handcuffs. He was charged with yet another felony. 
 

Quote

“I'll just stick by with what I said. I know that Adrian is a good person, just being around him. I know he's done a lot of good in this community. What he did – he just came out and said he made a mistake. As Zim had stated earlier, he has to get all that in order and then we'll proceed from there.”

 

https://www.startribune.com/spielman-defends-petersons-character-wants-his-return-but-cant-guarantee-it/288575771/

 

Just to be clear, Adrian Peterson is a reprehensible, no good, terrible human being who deserves absolutely nothing. He should have been banished for eterinity after what he did to his kid. But hey...Rick said he was a good guy and he knew him for how long? Technically he was never actually found "guilty" of anything since he pleaded no contest. Amirite? 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Mango

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

So you rather raping a child over hitting an adult woman. I think they are both wrong but feel that the rape is way worse.

They’re both reprehensible acts. 

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

They’re both reprehensible acts. 

Maybe Schoop and the Bulldog will have a Reprehensible Acts draft!

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

Maybe Schoop and the Bulldog will have a Reprehensible Acts draft!

Hahahahaha, it wouldn’t surprise me. 

[chongli]

1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said:

At the least, this is the perfect excuse to plaster Von to the inactive list. Guy is a detriment to the team at his current level of play. 

 

Not sure if you can make someone of Von's level and reputation inactive. It would be like benching LeBron James, sort of. Besides, he might be angry this week and have something to prove. He'll be motivated. We need him for KC. Until the NFL suspends him at least, which they haven't done.

Edited December 6, 2023 by chongli

[Beast]

5 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Not sure if you can make someone of Von's level and reputation inactive. It would be like benching LeBron James, sort of. Besides, he might be angry this week and have something to prove. He'll be motivated. We need him for KC. Until the NFL suspends him at least, which they haven't done.

Or, his mind may be elsewhere and he is even more useless than he has been since coming back.

 

I wish he’d just be sent home.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Beast

[Fallser]

Make him a healthy scratch. This game is tough enough without having that distraction. 

[Returntoglory]

19 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Not sure if you can make someone of Von's level and reputation inactive. It would be like benching LeBron James, sort of. Besides, he might be angry this week and have something to prove. He'll be motivated. We need him for KC. Until the NFL suspends him at least, which they haven't done.

Or he may "re-injure" himself to bypass any potential punishment or voiding of contract 🤔

[balln]

1 minute ago, Fallser said:

Make him a healthy scratch. This game is tough enough without having that distraction. 

If he’s cleared of everything. No charges no nothing. Then you look bad as an organization for presuming guilt and paying him to sit on sideline when he’s “innocent.”

 

it’s a no win position for bills honestly. It happens to all the teams. 

[Fallser]

2 minutes ago, balln said:

If he’s cleared of everything. No charges no nothing. Then you look bad as an organization for presuming guilt and paying him to sit on sideline when he’s “innocent.”

 

it’s a no win position for bills honestly. It happens to all the teams. 

I get it, but some smoke needs to clear in my opinion.

 

Bills are pretty much screwed no matter what they do.

 

This season is cursed. 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I have done both at a very high level and I would bench Von and not lose any sleep over it. 

This is the correct answer for clout chasing. 
 

You’d also lose the locker room and become a pariah organization.  
 

Good luck rooting for the Bills Sunday with your moral high ground .. because I guarantee most, if not all, of them have Von’s back.  
 

You want to lose a team?  Keep taking the side of social media over those in your building.  
 

Edited December 6, 2023 by SCBills

[stevewin]

27 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Not sure if you can make someone of Von's level and reputation inactive. It would be like benching LeBron James, sort of. Besides, he might be angry this week and have something to prove. He'll be motivated. We need him for KC. Until the NFL suspends him at least, which they haven't done.

If there was anything to spur motivation (or self assessment) is the reporter who asked in BOTH the Beane and McD press conferences basically "aside from the DV, have you thought of sitting Von because he basically, well, sucks?"

[WotAGuy]

3 minutes ago, stevewin said:

If there was anything to spur motivation (or self assessment) is the reporter who asked in BOTH the Beane and McD press conferences basically "aside from the DV, have you thought of sitting Von because he basically, well, sucks?"

😂.  Did they really use that language??

[stevewin]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

😂.  Did they really use that language??

I'm paraphrasing of course but they may as well have 😛

[PetermansRedemption]

57 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Maybe Schoop and the Bulldog will have a Reprehensible Acts draft!

Gosh, this brings me back to when I was trying to listen one morning and they were doing some idiotic Thanksgiving draft. Like… what?! Why

[Mango]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This is the correct answer for clout chasing. 
 

You’d also lose the locker room and become a pariah organization.  
 

Good luck rooting for the Bills Sunday with your moral high ground .. because I guarantee most, if not all, of them have Von’s back.  
 

You want to lose a team?  Keep taking the side of social media over those in your building.  
 

First it was “If you would move on from Von you clearly don’t understand elite athletics.”

 

Somebody chimes in who does have a background in elite athletics and it’s “clout chasing.” I would love to know what clout I was chasing in a sport with next to zero funding or corporate dollars and zero prize money for world or national championships.
 

We’re not even having a discussion in good faith at this point.
 

I’ve benched really talented athletes with off field and/or locker room issues in a sport with no social media presence. That’s not why you make those decisions. You do some things because somethings are more important than the sport. And other times you have to protect the roster from itself. 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Mango

[Bob Jones]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

So you rather raping a child over hitting an adult woman. I think they are both wrong but feel that the rape is way worse.

WTH!? HE DIDN’T DO A RAPE, but he did admit that they had sex OUTSIDE of the house, just him & her. THERE’S ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE RAPED THAT WOMAN….NONE, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

[RiotAct]

9 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

WTH!? HE DIDN’T DO A RAPE, but he did admit that they had sex OUTSIDE of the house, just him & her. THERE’S ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE RAPED THAT WOMAN….NONE, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

in my mind, I read this in Bill Clinton’s voice.

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

WTH!? HE DIDN’T DO A RAPE, but he did admit that they had sex OUTSIDE of the house, just him & her. THERE’S ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE RAPED THAT WOMAN….NONE, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

you said “a million times worse than what he was accused of” he was accused of being part of a gang rape. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

So you rather raping a child over hitting an adult woman. I think they are both wrong but feel that the rape is way worse.

 

Are you suggesting he actually raped her?

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Scott7975]

 

Some people in this thread have some fake ass outrage just hoping to get out of Vons contract. Many are sincere but I can tell there are others with fake outrage. 

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Are you suggesting he actually raped her?

 

 

follow the comments. Bob said this “he's a wife beater, end of story. Bench him, suspend him, and find a good way to get rid of him ASAP. What he did is about a million times worse than what Matt A. was accused of”

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I obviously disagree. Other players, either current or future, shouldn’t have their wages reduced because a guy who used to be on your team did something that was completely unrelated to football. That is not what the salary cap is there for. 

 

So a cheating head coach / GM (just as an example New England) can get a player to have an issue with promise to make up on next contract so they can sign another player?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

This is interesting. When Von’s GF released those texts in 2021, she released a statement saying 

 

“In light of recent media reports regarding my relationship with Von, I feel that I need to address a couple of things. First and foremost, at no point in our relationship was there any type of physical abuse or violence by Von, whatsoever. For anyone to say otherwise, or to speculate such, is wrong.

“With regards to my social media posts, a part was misconstrued and taken out of context. I do regret making a private situation public, and in doing so, bringing unwanted attention to both Von and myself.”

That isn’t drastically different from the text “she” sent to the news station. 
 

She leaked horrible… and I mean horrible, text messages from him and captioned them:

 

“My heart goes out to any woman/ or man who is or has ever dealt with mental, physical, or verbal abuse. Praying death on me and mine was enough!!”

 

**** both of them. Seeing what he said in 2021 hits a nerve with me, I look forward to him being released. 

Even if he’s somehow innocent in this, he’s still a trash human being. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

So, his girlfriend called 911, and said she needs the cops to come over because VM is out of control...that's a fact. She obviously was in fear of getting hurt, or maybe even in fear for her life. Cops show up shortly thereafter and see visible bruises on her body, and bruises ON HER NECK.....that's factual, as it’s in the police report. The latter is certainly why the arrest warrant was issued. Any woman can call 911 and make up stories to "get back" at their man, but that alone won't cause an arrest, because anybody can make up anything. Plus as mentioned WAY upthread, *supposedly* she turned on her phone to record, and then put it in her pocket. I'm reasonably sure that the initial cops on the scene listened to that recording, and that also probably played into VM being charged.

 

I would hope somewhere in his contract he has a "morals" clause, or something similar, where choking your pregnant girlfriend calls for a suspension. But who knows, maybe there is nothing to address this matter. 😧

 

There's the boilerplate "conduct detrimental to the team" clause.

 

Look, here's the thing.  One side of the story is exactly as you say.  That's out in the media.  [I am personally inclined to believe it because this isn't my first rodeo with seeing this pattern, but my personal beliefs aren't the issue here.  No job actions should be based on personal beliefs]

The other side of the story is, Miller wasn't there when the police arrived and the girlfriend allegedly now states it's all a big misunderstanding and no one was assaulted etc.  So how does one prove that 1) assault occurred, rather than something consensual that maybe went a step far and frightened the woman (or some other exculpatory scenario 2) Miller was the assailant?

 

There is evidence to collect and assemble that might paint a convincing picture supporting one or the other side. 

 

From the CBA/NFLPA point of view, that hasn't happened yet, and, as you point out, "anybody can make up anything". 

 

Being proven in a court of law to choke your pregnant girlfriend is cause for suspension by the league.

 

But that isn't where we are right now, and from past League and legal timelines for this sort of thing, not likely to be there soon.

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

So a cheating head coach / GM (just as an example New England) can get a player to have an issue with promise to make up on next contract so they can sign another player?

Huh? We’re not talking about ‘having an issue’. We’re talking about being convicted of a felony. How many players are going to voluntarily commit a felony? Answer….very few, if any, ever. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’m surprised that it looks like this guy might come out the other end here. I fully expected him to be gone before this next game. I’m not going to pass judgment here because it sounds like there are some inconsistencies but I’m surprised the Bills are going to stick this out.

[Starr Almighty]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Are you suggesting he actually raped her?

 

 

No I am not. I was comparing the accusations but nice try. Here's a ⭐

5 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

WTH!? HE DIDN’T DO A RAPE, but he did admit that they had sex OUTSIDE of the house, just him & her. THERE’S ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE THAT HE RAPED THAT WOMAN….NONE, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

I was talking about the accusations. Since as of today Von is just accused.

[Mike in Horseheads]

I hope plays and he back to being Von

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

The bills are ***** clowns for letting guy back into team facilities so quickly.  What's the rush? The guy is giving almost no effort and can't get a sack or even a tackle if his life depended on it.