Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I've been pretty down on Dion the last year or so. I thought he played an excellent game on Sunday. Perhaps his best game in the last 20. I have no idea how he will be graded out but it looked like he was holding his own one on one the entire game and giving far less ground than he had earlier this year. If he can play at this level all year maybe they keep him next year. His cap hit is only marginally more than this year. His dead cap hit is over $7M. That would save them $8M in cap space but leave them relying on a rookie to play LT. What did others see? 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Thought both tackles did excellent but I also feel we have a SOLID set of guards now with McGovern and the rookie !!! 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 He certainly looked quicker and more violent. Something happens between these two teams, and it brings the best out of our guys. Dawkins played with some real spice yesterday that was great to see. Hopefully he stays this way the rest of the season. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I haven't heard a peep about McGovern and Torrence. And that's music to my ears!!! 11 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I will say that I was very tough on Dawkins and he’s impressed so far this year. But I won’t kiss his butt just yet. It wasn’t a starting caliber DE he was going up against yesterday. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Everybody pre season calling Dawkins fat, out of shape, lazy, etc. He’s a good tackle and a cost controlled price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I haven't heard a peep about McGovern and Torrence. And that's music to my ears!!! I think there might have been some early talk about McGovern but I think he may have just been recovering from that injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I haven't heard a peep about McGovern and Torrence. And that's music to my ears!!! THIS!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 The oline looks a lot better and improved. Brown is the weakest link. Brown has had help but he seemingly isn't as big as a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I haven't heard a peep about McGovern and Torrence. And that's music to my ears!!! Seriously I have not heard McGovern's name once in four games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I believe he’s the highest graded O lineman we have according to PFF. I’ve always been a fan of Dion ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 He is currently 15th highest paid LT in the league. Only a small increase expected for next year with two years left on his deal. Bills have all the leverage. If he plays well he is a relatively cheap very good LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I loved seeing him pull, totally sealed it off for Josh's rushing TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I noticed the same thing. It seems like a lot of guys are really finding their stride as the season is picking up. Just need to keep it going now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Drew21PA said: Thought both tackles did excellent but I also feel we have a SOLID set of guards now with McGovern and the rookie !!! No that can't be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 4 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Everybody pre season calling Dawkins fat, out of shape, lazy, etc. He’s a good tackle and a cost controlled price. Well. He is fat and out of shape. But he has played well so far this season. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 There was never a Dion Dawkins demise in the first place 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesus Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 11 hours ago, mrags said: I will say that I was very tough on Dawkins and he’s impressed so far this year. But I won’t kiss his butt just yet. It wasn’t a starting caliber DE he was going up against yesterday. This makes sense. He's been good all year but you're not giving him credit because you don't think Bradley Chubb isn't a starting DE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I've been pretty down on Dion the last year or so. I thought he played an excellent game on Sunday. Perhaps his best game in the last 20. I have no idea how he will be graded out but it looked like he was holding his own one on one the entire game and giving far less ground than he had earlier this year. If he can play at this level all year maybe they keep him next year. His cap hit is only marginally more than this year. His dead cap hit is over $7M. That would save them $8M in cap space but leave them relying on a rookie to play LT. What did others see? The much more likely scenario is they extend his contract in the offseason. They aren't going to cut him and rely on a rookie to block Josh's blind side. Now, if after the year he balloons and gets fat and quits on football, sure he could be cut. Or if after next year he asks for $16 million plus, they'll let him walk, but otherwise he'll be on the team next year. I see "Let's cut this vet for cap space" ideas on this forum. When was the last time Beane actually did that? Especially a drafted and developed player like Dawkins. Edited October 3, 2023 by elroy16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: This makes sense. He's been good all year but you're not giving him credit because you don't think Bradley Chubb isn't a starting DE? He gave him credit. He’s just not kissing his butt. Bradley Chubb does suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 The last three games the line has played great against some formidable fronts. If the trend continues it may be the best OL Josh has had which makes this offense even more deadly! Gotta keep everyone healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: He certainly looked quicker and more violent. Something happens between these two teams, and it brings the best out of our guys. Dawkins played with some real spice yesterday that was great to see. Hopefully he stays this way the rest of the season. Spot on. The whole team seems to raise their level of focus and intensity for these big games. (Makes me wonder why they laid such an egg against the Bengals last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) He’s been pretty good. He’s always been pretty good other than last year. I was thinking about something today in regards to Josh Allen and his offensive lines. You rarely hear the national media talk about subpar offensive line play affecting Josh Allen. This is the best OL he’s had but OL talk and Allen never seems to be a topic outside of Buffalo. Edited October 3, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Cheesus said: Torrance could be a pro bowl guard this year if he continues his improvement...dude is so good it's ridiculous. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Where did Bradley Chubb end up on this play?? Dawkins taking him back to the tunnel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 hours ago, mrags said: Well. He is fat and out of shape. But he has played well so far this season. Just because he's fat doesn't mean he's out of shape. He obviously is in good enough shape to make it through an NFL training camp and play an entire NFL game. I agree that it seems strange to see 300+ pound guys with less than perfect physiques successfully playing a professional sport, but they do. Spencer Brown has a much better physique, but he's not a better player (although I hope that maybe one day he will be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 16 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Thought both tackles did excellent but I also feel we have a SOLID set of guards now with McGovern and the rookie !!! Crazy what shoring up the interior will do to help those Tackles that are out on islands. Now granted, Brown is getting a lot of help from TEs and RBs and even bringing in a 6th OL. But even when it's just the base 5 OL, the OTs are playing better than ever before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 16 hours ago, 947 said: I loved seeing him pull, totally sealed it off for Josh's rushing TD. It’s widely known among the team that Dion is one of the better athletes in that room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: Torrance could be a pro bowl guard this year if he continues his improvement...dude is so good it's ridiculous. O'Cyrus Torrence is playing at such a high level for a rookie that he might be the best guard we've had since Jim Ritcher if he keeps going!!! I was pumped when we drafted him, excited to see him gain a starting job, and then blown away by his play in the regular season. Just a special start... Edited October 3, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Cheesus said: I’m liking Torrence more and more each week. A few of his snaps the other day ended up with him lying on top of the Miami DLman he just demolished. And I don’t recall hearing Wilkins’s name all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 17 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Thought both tackles did excellent but I also feel we have a SOLID set of guards now with McGovern and the rookie !!! ^this^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Where did Bradley Chubb end up on this play?? Dawkins taking him back to the tunnel Disney Land? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 17 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Everybody pre season calling Dawkins fat, out of shape, lazy, etc. He’s a good tackle and a cost controlled price. He looked bad against the Steelers in preseason. Otherwise in the other two preseason games he looked like he did last year (average to above average). Other than one bad preseason performance there was no reason to think he wasn’t going to at least be decent. Thus far he is playing really good. Easily the best he has been since 2019 26 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: O'Cyrus Torrence is playing at such a high level for a rookie that he might be the best guard we've had since Jim Ritcher if he keeps going!!! I was pumped when we drafted him, excited to see him gain a starting job, and then blown away by his play in the regular season. Just a special start... I genuinely would have been Ok had the Bills drafted him in round 1. He was by far the best guard in the draft. How he fell to pick 59 is crazy. The Bills feasting off of other teams mistakes and getting themselves the best guard in the draft in the late second 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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