Boogie traded to Giants

[eball]

I think there’s a fair argument that Beane is better at selecting players in rounds 4-7 than he is in rounds 1-3.  It’s weird, but as long as you get guys who can play…

 

[Brand J]

I said it before and I’ll say it again. I do think if we held a TBD poll on who to draft when the pick is up, we’d have a better drafting history than Brandon Beane. BUT only after the 2018 draft. Allen wouldn’t be on this team if it were up to TBD at the time 😅

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Personally, I hope that this means Kingsley Jonathan can make the team
 

That kids got it

Mike Love/Eddie Yarborough 2.0

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, eball said:

I think there’s a fair argument that Beane is better at selecting players in rounds 4-7 than he is in rounds 1-3.  It’s weird, but as long as you get guys who can play…

 

 

Beane is great at hitting singles and doubles, but can't hit a homerun. That's the problem.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Roundybout said:

We gonna crown the Giants for going 9-8?

 

I see a massive crash to earth from them this year.  Tough division.  Went 9-4-1 in 1 score games last year.  0-4 against dallas and philly.  

[hondo in seattle]

15 minutes ago, LittleSammy said:

Wonder if we can trade McDermott and Beane for Daboll and Schoen?

 

Here's the thing about that.  Eagles want to fly with eagles.  They don't want to hang out with turkeys.  Turkeys, on the other hand, like to flock together.

 

So the good personnel guys in the NFL want to work with the best GMs.  The good positions coaches want to work with the best DCs and HCs.  Good DCs want to work with the best HCs.  

 

The only reason Daboll and Schoen were on the team was because McD and Beane hired them - and Daboll and Shoen wanted to work with them.  I'm hoping that they continue to hire, and internally develop, good coaches and personnel guys.  

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[John from Riverside]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

You get “crowned” AFC east champion and you can hang a banner but personally I think it’s silly. 

It feels a hell of a lot better than we were going 8 and 8 every year

 

Just good enough that we couldn’t get top of the draft selections just bad enough that we didn’t make the playiffs

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

The draft he did before Beane was here, and also the game day roster is usually spot on.

McDermott had Whaley, a team of scouts, and insider knowledge of Carolinas draft board which some have argued came from Beane.  He didn't run a draft.  He mostly punted since we had a lame duck GM which is why we didn't take a QB.

 

The game day roster he assembles with players drafted and signed by Beane?

[buffblue]

13 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Makes me wanna cry we drafted this guy instead of Creed Humphrey

And right after drafting a DE in the 1st round 😡

[CountDorkula]

Just now, Roundybout said:

Lots of posters here fawning over Schoen and Daboll, when they haven’t won ****

Because they took a really bad Giants team and have seemingly turned it around….. which is what McD and Beane get credit here for and rightfully so. 
 

that said just Turing the team around is no longer good enough for the Bills brass. This team has failed when it mattered most in the most extreme ways. 
 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

Mike Love/Eddie Yarborough 2.0

Yeah, I think he’s better than that. He just needs playing time.

[78thealltimegreat]

10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

I think the Bills plan on keeping AJ don’t be shocked if he doesn’t resign at some point this year 

[BillsFanSD]

Basham was a bad pick from the start.  Rousseau was supposed to be the project, and Basham was supposed to be the more pro-ready one, and that just completely flipped around from essentially their very first days at camp.  I was hoping to be wrong about him, but no dice.

 

Glad we cut bait at least.

[ColoradoBills]

You take your medicine with a bad pick and move forward.

Beane and his scouts know the blew that pick.  Hope they learned their lesson.

Looking back is worthless IMO.  

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

It feels a hell of a lot better than we were going 8 and 8 every year

 

Just good enough that we couldn’t get top of the draft selections just bad enough that we didn’t make the playiffs

Oh god don’t remind me. The days of wanting to just lose to get Cam Newton instead of Dareus. {shutters}

[Roundybout]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Yeah, I think he’s better than that. He just needs playing time.

No for sure, I was just comparing him to other UDFA or late round defensive ends that have looked nice for us. 

[The Jokeman]

18 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

What does SF have to do with this anyways? I’m lost. 

It shows that all GMs make mistakes hell the great Bill Polian took Chris Burkett in the 2nd Round instead of Andre Reed in 1985. 

[Big Blitz]

22 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Boogie was a bad pick at the time. Head scratcher from Beane. 

 

Clearly Schoen really wanted him.  Maybe he convinced Beane to make the pick at the time.   

[Roundybout]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Oh god don’t remind me. The days of wanting to just lose to get Cam Newton instead of Dareus. {shutters}

Then seeing who went after Dareus in the 2011 draft. Eek. 

[78thealltimegreat]

13 minutes ago, Process said:

Wait until you see what he does in round 3

Hey he did hit on Dawson and to some extent Motor 

[PrimeTime101]

Does this mean Miller is coming off the PuP list? Shocked that is not being discussed here.

 

[Process]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

Does this mean Miller is coming off the PuP list? Shocked that is not being discussed here.

 

More likely means Kingsley makes the team 

[SectionC3]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Personally, I hope that this means Kingsley Jonathan can make the team
 

That kids got it

You may be on to something.  This move might have more to do with Jonathan/Cline/holistic roster construction (may need someone to play STs, for instance, depending on what LBs and RBs look like) than Boogie’s relative uselessness or Von’s return. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Not really… your rounds 1-2 are where you get the elite difference makers statistically… Beanes been a hot mess there and it shows on the field. 

 

Yep, Need those stars to elevate the team to the next level.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Does this mean Miller is coming off the PuP list? Shocked that is not being discussed here.

 

sure seems like it.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Does this mean Miller is coming off the PuP list? Shocked that is not being discussed here.

 

 

Not immediately, but it does speak well to his status and possible early return.

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I think the Bills plan on keeping AJ don’t be shocked if he doesn’t resign at some point this year 

Let’s hope he doesn’t resign, at least not mid-season.  It’s probably more likely that he will re-sign.

Edited August 29, 2023 by mannc

[buffaloboyinATL]

26 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

When is Beane going to be held accountable?

Uh, for what?  Teams miss on draft picks all the time.  Do you want them to fire the guy who put together a potential championship roster?  How else would he be "held accountable"?  Make him sit in the corner for 15 minutes?  

[zow2]

Schoen and Daboll absolutely love bringing in Bills players.  Reminds me of when McBeane first got here and every other transaction was a former or current Carolina Panthers player.

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, mannc said:

Let’s hope he doesn’t resign, at not mid-season.  It’s probably more likely that he will re-sign.

Forgot the hyphen point taken 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Clearly Schoen really wanted him.  Maybe he convinced Beane to make the pick at the time.   

Doesn’t seem clear at all really given the compensation for the trade. 

[thenorthremembers]

Player who averages 2 sacks a year gets traded and OBD goes nuts.   Please God can the real season start already.

[boyst]

A topmcomment on Twitter from a giants guy was the giants are excited for having him and this bills are happy for more draft capital as they plan to rebuild?

 

What? What planned rebuild?

[hondo in seattle]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Beane is great at hitting singles and doubles, but can't hit a homerun. That's the problem.

 

Mostly true.  But no homeruns?  None?  

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

More likely means Kingsley makes the team 

So To make this assumption, and keep with me here... you may be right.. But to make this assumption, Kingsley would have had to of shown that he could do good things against starters. now correct me if I am wrong but I do not think he has done that. 

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, boyst said:

A topmcomment on Twitter from a giants guy was the giants are excited for having him and this bills are happy for more draft capital as they plan to rebuild?

 

What? What planned rebuild?

Giants guys also think Daniel Jones is leading them to a Super Bowl so theres that.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Doesn’t seem clear at all really given the compensation for the trade. 

 

But they didn’t have to do anything at all.  

[Process]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

So To make this assumption, and keep with me here... you may be right.. But to make this assumption, Kingsley would have had to of shown that he could do good things against starters. now correct me if I am wrong but I do not think he has done that. 

Neither has Boogie

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, hondo in seattle said:

 

Mostly true.  But no homeruns?  None?  

There is one HR a GM can hit..one.   And thats drafting a franchise QB.  He hit the HR already. 

[BillsFanSD]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

Player who averages 2 sacks a year gets traded and OBD goes nuts.   Please God can the real season start already.

I think people are just commenting on this trade because its a tacit admission by the FO that they blew this pick.  The "averages 2 sacks a year" part is exactly why it's relevant.