Belichick on the hot seat in N.E.

[Inigo Montoya]

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/update-curran-says-belichick-has-been-on-the-hot-seat-since-2019.1161044/

 

Interesting thread on the Pat's message board that has a quote from Ben Volin the Senior NFL writer at the Boston Globe that  says Bill is on the hot seat.

 

“Robert Kraft already made it clear in March that he wants the Patriots to make the postseason and win a playoff game for the first time in five years,” Volin wrote. “He also paid Jerod Mayo handsomely to keep him off the coaching market and likely views him as the team’s coach-in-waiting. And Belichick’s friends have privately said they are worried that he is on the hot seat in 2023.”

 

The thread also links to two more stories reporting the same from different sources.

 

https://nesn.com/2023/07/patriots-rumors-bill-belichicks-friends-fear-coach-on-hot-seat/

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/07/11/sports/mac-jones-bob-kraft-bill-belichick/

This article is behind a paywall and says that Mac Jones has quickly become tight with Robert Kraft and that Bill may end up the odd man out. 

 

The Bills host the Pats in Week 17 and it would be great to drub them so badly that Bill becomes a dead man walking come Bloody Monday at the end of the regular season.

 

[Thurman#1]

Smooth move by Mac forging ties with the owner. Smart.

[BillsShredder83]

20 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Smooth move by Mac forging ties with the owner. Smart.

i mean i guess its the smart thing, but that doesnt matter one bit. if BB leaves or if he stays, it will have 0.0000 to do with mac freaking jones lol

[Nextmanup]

BB is not on the 'hot seat', whatever that is supposed to mean in a NE context.

 

 

[Inigo Montoya]

52 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

BB is not on the 'hot seat', whatever that is supposed to mean in a NE context.

 

 

 

Is there some reason you don't think he's on the hot seat?  I guess I wouldn't bet $100 either way, but if I had to lean in one direction I'd think that multiple Patriot beat reporters saying the same thing means something. 

 

Time will tell.

 

🍻

[Billznut]

Bill Belichick will be out of New England when HE decides he’s ready to walk away. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

27 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Bill Belichick will be out of New England when HE decides he’s ready to walk away. 

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Spent 1/2 an hour trying to figure out who the initials 'HE' indicated...🤔

Herm Edwards?

Harlan Ellison?

Herb Ellis?

😑

[AuntieEm]

34 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Bill Belichick will be out of New England when HE decides he’s ready to walk away. 

 

  While I agree Belichick will get to decide when he wants to walk away from coaching in the NFL he still doesn't get to decide when he is let go by the owner of the team.  I don't know that Kraft even considers Bill anything but a highly paid and productive employee.  Could also be. Belichick himself is ready to retire.  He certainly has very little he can add to his career.  

[mrags]

3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

i mean i guess its the smart thing, but that doesnt matter one bit. if BB leaves or if he stays, it will have 0.0000 to do with mac freaking jones lol

I wouldn’t necessarily say that. I mean he’s the QB of the team and if he plays terribly and the Pats don’t make the playoffs I’d say he’s somewhat involved. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I wouldn’t necessarily say that. I mean he’s the QB of the team and if he plays terribly and the Pats don’t make the playoffs I’d say he’s somewhat involved. 

In your scenario does somewhat involved”  mean fired…, 

[fergie's ire]

I think there's evidence that Kraft is not crazy about Belichick and he probably blames him for losing the great love of his life: Tommy.  So, I think he could be on the hot seat and has a shorter leash than expected for a coach with his record.  https://nypost.com/2021/09/29/robert-kraft-called-bill-belichick-the-biggest-f-king-a-hole-in-my-life/

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Billznut said:

Bill Belichick will be out of New England when HE decides he’s ready to walk away. 

Any interest on both sides of him becoming a Bills coach? I wouldn't hate that. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

In my opinion the pressure is cranking up a bit for Belichick especially after taking the gamble of Matt Patricia as OC last year blew up in his face.

 

While I don't think the announcement would say he was fired Belichick may "choose to step away from the team for a season to recharge his batteries". 

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

In my opinion the pressure is cranking up a bit for Belichick especially after taking the gamble of Matt Patricia as OC last year blew up in his face.

 

While I don't think the announcement would say he was fired Belichick may "choose to step away from the team for a season to recharge his batteries". 

Yea- I think he’s burning through goodwill more quickly than expected with moves like that. 
 

having Brady likely got him used to being able to do a lot of unconventional things that you can’t get away with when you have a bad qb. 
 

3 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  While I agree Belichick will get to decide when he wants to walk away from coaching in the NFL he still doesn't get to decide when he is let go by the owner of the team.  I don't know that Kraft even considers Bill anything but a highly paid and productive employee.  Could also be. Belichick himself is ready to retire.  He certainly has very little he can add to his career.  

the huge one is the wins record 

[LEBills]

5 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Is there some reason you don't think he's on the hot seat?  I guess I wouldn't bet $100 either way, but if I had to lean in one direction I'd think that multiple Patriot beat reporters saying the same thing means something. 

 

Time will tell.

 

🍻

He is 19 wins away from passing Shula for most wins of all time (regular season and post season combined). I think they give him 2 more seasons to break that and then ride off barring a huge collapse this season.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, LEBills said:

He is 19 wins away from passing Shula for most wins of all time (regular season and post season combined). I think they give him 2 more seasons to break that and then ride off barring a huge collapse this season.

Or only one might only be necessary...😇😳😑
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(Runs for door, fearing for life...)

[Sharky7337]

Did they check the inflation on this hot seat?

Edited July 29, 2023 by Sharky7337

[Mr. WEO]

this was a hot take a week ago

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

In your scenario does somewhat involved”  mean fired…, 

Well. That all depends on how bad the 2 of them don’t get along and how much of Krafts ear Jones has. 
 

BB is old and pats his prime. I’d put money on it he has the all time losing record before he has the all time winning record.
 

And there’s a chance that if things go south early, he won’t last long enough to have the win record. 

[PBF81]

4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

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Spent 1/2 an hour trying to figure out who the initials 'HE' indicated...🤔

Herm Edwards?

Harlan Ellison?

Herb Ellis?

😑

 

He may have been emphasizing BB's stated personal pronouns.  

 

 

Edited July 29, 2023 by PBF81

[Behindenemylines]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

BB is not on the 'hot seat', whatever that is supposed to mean in a NE context.

 

 

I completely disagree. He absolutely is and Patriot fans are very frustrated with him. Many are moving on from the Pats and placing them third on their sports priority list.  
 

it’s a BB problem and Kraft wont accept a major decline in revenues and profits from losing.  
 

if they don’t go deep this season Bellicheat will “retire”.  

[PBF81]

Belichick is a tale of two coaches.  

 

With Brady "he" was great.  But without Brady he wasn't even average, he's pretty much sucked.  One playoff win, and that against the Bledsoe-led Pats in one of the worst playoff games by any QB in the playoffs from a horrific career playoff QB.  

 

I hope he's around for another decade to continue to hammer the Pats into the ground while continuing to live off of the Brady years.  

 

 

[Doc]

He's definitely on the hot seat.  Another year of missing the playoffs, despite an additional team being added to them, starts to make him look like he did with the Browns.

[Fan in Chicago]

51 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Belichick is a tale of two coaches.  

 

With Brady "he" was great.  But without Brady he wasn't even average, he's pretty much sucked.  One playoff win, and that against the Bledsoe-led Pats in one of the worst playoff games by any QB in the playoffs from a horrific career playoff QB.  

 

I hope he's around for another decade to continue to hammer the Pats into the ground while continuing to live off of the Brady years.  

 

 

imo, Belichick's problem isn't the quality of his coaching. Its his track record of drafts which had his fingerprints on them  

[Gugny]

I love that the Patriots are now defining success as “making the playoffs and winning A playoff game.”

 

Cute. 

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/update-curran-says-belichick-has-been-on-the-hot-seat-since-2019.1161044/

 

Interesting thread on the Pat's message board that has a quote from Ben Volin the Senior NFL writer at the Boston Globe that  says Bill is on the hot seat.

 

“Robert Kraft already made it clear in March that he wants the Patriots to make the postseason and win a playoff game for the first time in five years,” Volin wrote. “He also paid Jerod Mayo handsomely to keep him off the coaching market and likely views him as the team’s coach-in-waiting. And Belichick’s friends have privately said they are worried that he is on the hot seat in 2023.”

 

The thread also links to two more stories reporting the same from different sources.

 

https://nesn.com/2023/07/patriots-rumors-bill-belichicks-friends-fear-coach-on-hot-seat/

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/07/11/sports/mac-jones-bob-kraft-bill-belichick/

This article is behind a paywall and says that Mac Jones has quickly become tight with Robert Kraft and that Bill may end up the odd man out. 

 

The Bills host the Pats in Week 17 and it would be great to drub them so badly that Bill becomes a dead man walking come Bloody Monday at the end of the regular season.

 

 

It would be a great mistake for a franchise to start making personnel decisions, including coach and GM, based upon a player's friendship with the owner.

 

Ya Hate Ta See It. 🍿🍿

 

BTW Ben Volin is legit and has sources, but he also has a track record of sometimes being quite wrong.  So I'd get out the salt shaker for all this.

 

Interesting though, thanks for posting!

 

5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

imo, Belichick's problem isn't the quality of his coaching. Its his track record of drafts which had his fingerprints on them  

 

I'm thinking about this, and I believe one has to factor in his choices of OC and DC into his "quality of coaching" evaluation.  Matt Patricia and Joe Judge as OCs last season was a stunning gaffe.  And it's not clear having his son call the defense is a smart move.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Beck Water

[Fan in Chicago]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

I'm thinking about this, and I believe one has to factor in his choices of OC and DC into his "quality of coaching" evaluation.  Matt Patricia and Joe Judge as OCs last season was a stunning gaffe.  And it's not clear having his son call the defense is a smart move.

Yes, that too. But I dont know the inner workings of the Patriots** organization to know if those choices were his decisions alone. 

[Beck Water]

Just now, Fan in Chicago said:

Yes, that too. But I dont know the inner workings of the Patriots** organization to know if those choices were his decisions alone. 

 

It's been pretty widely reported that Belicheck runs the show.  And I don't know of a HC in the league that allows anyone else to choose his coaching assistants.

[PBF81]

16 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

imo, Belichick's problem isn't the quality of his coaching. Its his track record of drafts which had his fingerprints on them  

 

Roger that, completely agree, but my point more particularly, is that he's actually a good but not great coach.  He's had his moments, cheating hasn't helped his image, nor has pushing the rules to their illogical limits and beyond the bounds of sportsmanship and to something other than they had intended.  

 

My contention is that w/o Brady he'd have been just another good coach.  And to your point, it's not as if he ever identified Brady as having greatness potential.  He was all-in on Bledsoe, one of the worst playoff QBs of all-time and an average QB otherwise.  Had Mo Lewis not forced his hand, Brady, like so many other of BB's drafted QBs (12), would have gone elsewhere to do his work.  

 

Of the dozen that BB drafted, Brady ranks 9th in draft placement.  Jones was a 1st-rounder, Garappolo a 2nd, Mallet, Brisset, and O'Connell 3rd's.  

 

76-88  (.463)  

1-2 in the playoffs, again, with his only playoff win, ironically, against Bledsoe's Pats in yet another typical playoff game where Bledsoe stunk the joint up, his specialty.  

10 seasons 

2 playoff appearances, two crushing losses, one in the WC Round, one in the D-Round.  Obviously 8 seasons w/o playoffs.  

 

His drafting has definitely hurt him, but without Brady the clear-cut pattern is that he was JAC.  

 

 

[Bobby Hooks]

Much like BB wanting an opportunity for a fresh start to prove what he could do without Tommy. I have to imagine Kraft is feeling the same way. 
 

You had this unprecedented run, and from all appearances it’s over. I think he might be coming around to the idea of a fresh new start as well. 
 

You already lost the best qb of all-time while he was still doing what he did at a high level. Your coach on the other hand stayed, and he does not appear to be doing what he did at a high level. That alone would be enough to upset you a little. You kept the wrong guy. That would be enough for me to want a fresh start. The Patriot way left with Tom. 
 

Free agents lined up around the building for a chance to play with Tom for peanuts. BB almost seems a bit of a hinderance in that respect.  No one wants to play for less, AND have a hardball coach that doesn’t want you to have any fun. 

[Augie]

7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Is there some reason you don't think he's on the hot seat?  I guess I wouldn't bet $100 either way, but if I had to lean in one direction I'd think that multiple Patriot beat reporters saying the same thing means something. 

 

Time will tell.

 

🍻

 

I have a Bills buddy who lives in Boston and he’s been saying this for quite a while, sending occasional links. BB may or may not coach the Pats* in 2024, but it’s not an isolated thought. 

[Fan in Chicago]

15 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

 

His drafting has definitely hurt him, but without Brady the clear-cut pattern is that he was JAC.  

 

 

His teams do over achieve their roster and there is proof of that. There are very few coaches who have won it all with sub-par QB talent. So, I am not totally dismissing his skills as a HC. His teams are well prepared and rarely do gaffes in big games. Brady is in a different tier but he rode that horse for more wins than another coach would have. Just imo on that last part. 

[JimBob2232]

He should be on the hot seat.  The sooner they replace him the sooner they will be on their way back to contention.  He won't be the coach when they get good again.  This is the problem with aging legends - nobody wants them to hang it up - but really - they need to.  They are hurting the team.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said:

He should be on the hot seat.  The sooner they replace him the sooner they will be on their way back to contention.  He won't be the coach when they get good again.  This is the problem with aging legends - nobody wants them to hang it up - but really - they need to.  They are hurting the team.

 

I think Belichick the GM is making it darn near impossible for Belichick the HC to be successful. The guy is 71 years old and I don’t see him changing the structure of the organization. Something has to give, so why wait beyond this year.  

[Fan in Chicago]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think Belichick the GM is making it darn near impossible for Belichick the HC to be successful. The guy is 71 years old and I don’t see him changing the structure of the organization. Something has to give, so why wait beyond this year.  

If BB is fired after this season, he would not retire. He would want to pull of the coaching equivalent of Brady - winning a Superbowl with another team. Given his age, the only way he does that is going to a team with a good QB already on board. Which would be a rare situation. Plus it is certain that the new team would only want him as a HC and not influence the draft board. Tough all the way around for BB.  

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, Augie said:

I think Belichick the GM is making it darn near impossible for Belichick the HC to be successful. The guy is 71 years old and I don’t see him changing the structure of the organization. Something has to give, so why wait beyond this year.  

Yup.  Can’t remove him from the GM job so you’ll have to fire him out right.

[PBF81]

42 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

His teams do over achieve their roster and there is proof of that. There are very few coaches who have won it all with sub-par QB talent. So, I am not totally dismissing his skills as a HC. His teams are well prepared and rarely do gaffes in big games. Brady is in a different tier but he rode that horse for more wins than another coach would have. Just imo on that last part. 

 

I didn't totally dismiss his skills either.

 

Not sure why that implication.  

 

 

[Haslett_Stomp]

47 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said:

He should be on the hot seat.  The sooner they replace him the sooner they will be on their way back to contention.  He won't be the coach when they get good again.  This is the problem with aging legends - nobody wants them to hang it up - but really - they need to.  They are hurting the team.

 

Tom Landry comes to mind.  As successful as he was, the game had passed him by and bringing in Jimmy J. resulted in the Cowboy's Super Bowl run, which was certainly aided by the Herschel Walker trade.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Belichick has friends?
 

[Augie]

Just now, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Belichick has friends?
 

 

His dog, the Exec VP of all things draft related. Sometimes man’s best friend gets a bad hand.