akcash Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) This is the brother of the brother who doesn't show up. Just a note Edited July 25, 2023 by HOUSE 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Puts him joint 5th among corners in AAV and there are people above him who I think are more overpaid than he. Probably a slight overpay by reference to his peers but the list of really good young corners from recent drafts isn't long... Pat Surtain and Sauce spring to mind but not a lot of others have proven it. So if Diggs hit the market I fancy he'd get at least what Dallas paid him on the open market. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 I give you credit for specifically saying Trevon in the thread title. That said it would solidify that if Stefon was serious about hoping to play with his brother it wouldn't be in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, akcash said: Just for comparison, Stefon Diggs Spring 2022 contract with the Bills was 4 year/$96M Edited July 25, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 The guy made a lazy business decision in a critical moment of the playoff game vs SF last year and gets beat all the time and they reward him with this. all about attention and ego in that organization. Their hall of fame guard is holding out for a raise at the moment and they have parsons, lamb and Dak looking for new deals in a year and they give a corner this kind of money. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 I read that title way too fast. Also, doesn’t he have issues in coverage? Yes, he gets interceptions, but wasn’t he one of the most burnt DBs statistically? 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: I read that title way too fast. Also, doesn’t he have issues in coverage? Yes, he gets interceptions, but wasn’t he one of the most burnt DBs statistically? I agree. He seems to get beaten more often than a top cover should. Takes chances. Gunner is correct that we would get similar money if he hit free agency, but I think this continues Jerry Jones's pattern of caving to pay top money to guys who are just less top-players. I don't think he shows the discipline that a good GM shows. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Virgil said: I read that title way too fast. Also, doesn’t he have issues in coverage? Yes, he gets interceptions, but wasn’t he one of the most burnt DBs statistically? Yeah, he's an average cover corner with great ball skills and tries to bait the qb into throwing his way. He looks at the qb too much and lets his man get away from him frequently I think he just had Jairus Byrd style luck in 2021 and he'll never come close to those interception numbers again. Edited July 25, 2023 by Allen2Diggs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I agree. He seems to get beaten more often than a top cover should. Takes chances. Gunner is correct that we would get similar money if he hit free agency, but I think this continues Jerry Jones's pattern of caving to pay top money to guys who are just less top-players. I don't think he shows the discipline that a good GM shows. This is the pattern with the Cowboys. They pay good players as if they were great players, and then are shocked when the rest of the league says they're just good, no more than that. Unlike S. Diggs, T. Diggs has holes in his game. As a fan of whoever is playing the Cowboys next week, I'm fine with this move, but it's going to backfire as badly as did paying Ezekiel Elliot all that money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Trevon Diggs is a liability to his team by going after personal glory by only ballhawking instead of actually covering. Sometimes it works out and he gets a nice highlight reel INT but otherwise he's giving up 158.3. And the media is to blame for hyping up his INTs instead of roasting him for getting torched weekly. Good for him for tricking Jerruh into paying him though. That 11 INT season is very unlikely to be replicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Good, I'm happy for him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Not sure he is worth that money but certainly would have gotten a good deal on the market. Seems like paying elite money for a good not great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Diggs to the Cowboys confirmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Congrats to Trevon and the Diggs family. Good on Stefon for staying home in Maryland to make sure his brothers had the support they needed to get through school. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 52 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Just for comparison, Stefon Diggs Spring 2022 contract with the Bills was 4 year/$96M So Stef won! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: Trevon Diggs is a liability to his team by going after personal glory by only ballhawking instead of actually covering. Sometimes it works out and he gets a nice highlight reel INT but otherwise he's giving up 158.3. And the media is to blame for hyping up his INTs instead of roasting him for getting torched weekly. Good for him for tricking Jerruh into paying him though. That 11 INT season is very unlikely to be replicated. In 2021, he was sixth in the NFL in terms of passer rating of opposing QBs against him -- 55.8 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/defense_advanced.htm). In 2022, the rating against him was 86.1, which was a little above average (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/defense_advanced.htm). In 2020, his rookie season, he was at 85.8, which was in the top third of the league (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/defense_advanced.htm). Bottom line: he's a good player who can make game changing plays. He does get beat, but so does everyone who plays CB in the NFL. He's without question above average. Jordan Poyer was second in the league in 2021 and eighth in 2022. Pretty darn impressive given how banged up he was last season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: In 2021, he was sixth in the NFL in terms of passer rating of opposing QBs against him -- 55.8 (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/defense_advanced.htm). In 2022, the rating against him was 86.1, which was a little above average (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/defense_advanced.htm). In 2020, his rookie season, he was at 85.8, which was in the top third of the league (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/defense_advanced.htm). Bottom line: he's a good player who can make game changing plays. He does get beat, but so does everyone who plays CB in the NFL. He's without question above average. Jordan Poyer was second in the league in 2021 and eighth in 2022. Pretty darn impressive given how banged up he was last season. Yep. His completion percentage against is under 60% for his career as well, which is the standard of the top guys - be in the 50s. His TDs given up are down each year, from 5 as a rookie to 4, to 3. I think the "he gets burned a ton" is way overblown. For a corner as aggressive and who makes as many plays as him, he actually gets burned fairly infrequently. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 54 minutes ago, Virgil said: I read that title way too fast. Also, doesn’t he have issues in coverage? Yes, he gets interceptions, but wasn’t he one of the most burnt DBs statistically? He is a good player but that is quite a bit of money, no? Didn't they also bring in 33 year old Gilmore? I'm sure he will play very hard. 🙄 I heard on Sirius today that Dallas has allocated huge money to the defense, and that the coach claims that her wants to run more, throw less, and rely more on defense. Good luck with that losing philosophy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Good for him getting his bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Not a huge fan of his, gives up lots of yards. but he's a top DB playmaker and the Cowboys had to pay him at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Good for him. Way too much to pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said: Yeah, he's an average cover corner with great ball skills and tries to bait the qb into throwing his way. He looks at the qb too much and lets his man get away from him frequently I think he just had Jairus Byrd style luck in 2021 and he'll never come close to those interception numbers again. Byrd was the exact analogy I was going to use! 34 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: He is a good player but that is quite a bit of money, no? Didn't they also bring in 33 year old Gilmore? I'm sure he will play very hard. 🙄 I heard on Sirius today that Dallas has allocated huge money to the defense, and that the coach claims that her wants to run more, throw less, and rely more on defense. Good luck with that losing philosophy. Shhhhhh! Don’t talk about spending money on the defense. You’ll stir the locals 😋 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) Another case of the Cowboys overpaying for their players. How does this team stay under the cap when they consistantly overpay for players. Edited July 25, 2023 by JK Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany72 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 How does a guy who gets burned in coverage all the time, get this kind of money? Dudes more of a liability than an asset 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 His brother sounds focus.. lfggg.. love stefons intensity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 One thing you can’t say about old man plastic face Jones is he isn’t cheap. 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: His brother sounds focus.. lfggg.. love stefons intensity Diggs needs to get over himself. 27 minutes ago, JK Fan said: Another case of the Cowboys overpaying for their players. How does this team stay under the cap when they consistantly overpay for players. He might be overrated but they have a top 5 defense and he’s a a part of if. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: I agree. He seems to get beaten more often than a top cover should. Takes chances. Gunner is correct that we would get similar money if he hit free agency, but I think this continues Jerry Jones's pattern of caving to pay top money to guys who are just less top-players. I don't think he shows the discipline that a good GM shows. Is this much different than the Ed Oliver situation which is widely praised for its “Draft and Retain your own” strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: Is this much different than the Ed Oliver situation which is widely praised for its “Draft and Retain your own” strategy? Yes, it is. I believe Oliver was #8 among DTs when the deal was done, and he's already down to 12. Diggs is #4. Oliver was paid as a good, efficient DT, but not a star. Diggs got star money, so far as I can tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Just now, Shaw66 said: Yes, it is. I believe Oliver was #8 among DTs when the deal was done, and he's already down to 12. Diggs is #4. Oliver was paid as a good, efficient DT, but not a star. Diggs got star money, so far as I can tell. More about the timing of deals and market scarcity. Diggs will be 12th soon enough. both are overpaid based on past performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Chaos said: Diggs will be 12th soon enough. What's your basis for saying this? Can you name even 6 corners who will pass him in 2023? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Just now, Chaos said: More about the timing of deals and market scarcity. Diggs will be 12th soon enough. both are overpaid based on past performance Trevon Diggs is a first team All Pro, there are escalators for contracts...Ed Oliver has never even made a Pro Bowl Diggs contract is easily justifiable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Dammit between him and Stephon they should be able to get mom a nice place on the river or where ever she might want for all that matters .😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: One thing you can’t say about old man plastic face Jones is he isn’t cheap. Diggs needs to get over himself. He might be overrated but they have a top 5 defense and he’s a a part of if. they played some really bad qb's last year. The schedule is way tougher this year. that afc south was dreadful last year. They played a number of backups. They are talented but still they were not challenged most of the year, they caught burrow early when they were not right yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 Seems stupid to me to give this guy that money. He's no shutdown corner. Fire the owner/gm/coach. Stupid deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Puts him joint 5th among corners in AAV and there are people above him who I think are more overpaid than he. Probably a slight overpay by reference to his peers but the list of really good young corners from recent drafts isn't long... Pat Surtain and Sauce spring to mind but not a lot of others have proven it. So if Diggs hit the market I fancy he'd get at least what Dallas paid him on the open market. He gets a lot of turnovers but he also gives up a lot of long TDs too by taking risks he doesn't need to take because he is looking for the INT. I don't consider him worth that money, IMO. Edited July 26, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Shaw66 said: What's your basis for saying this? Can you name even 6 corners who will pass him in 2023? I guess Chaos is still doing his research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 I’d be livid if the Bills gave that type of player that amount of money. Therefore, I approve of the Cowboys doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: He gets a lot of turnovers but he also gives up a lot of long TDs too by taking risks he doesn't need to take because he is looking for the INT. I don't consider him worth that money, IMO. He gave up 3 touchdowns last year and 4 in the season where he generated 11 interceptions and 2 pick 6s. Yes he is an aggressive style of corner, but compared to the other go to aggressive corner of recent times, Marcus Peters, Trevon does not get burned as much. He is also in the 50s for completion percentage allowed which is where all the top guys are. The "he gives up too many touchdowns" thing is overblown. The playmaking way outstrips what he gives up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He gave up 3 touchdowns last year and 4 in the season where he generated 11 interceptions and 2 pick 6s. Yes he is an aggressive style of corner, but compared to the other go to aggressive corner of recent times, Marcus Peters, Trevon does not get burned as much. He is also in the 50s for completion percentage allowed which is where all the top guys are. The "he gives up too many touchdowns" thing is overblown. The playmaking way outstrips what he gives up. Yeah I basically have Diggs as who Marcus Peters thought he was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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