ChronicAndKnuckles Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 hours ago, finn said: Reasons to be optimistic about the season: --Many key players are in their prime, including Allen, Diggs, Davis, Dawkins, Harris, Knox, Oliver, Milano, and White. --Oliver is in his contract year, so he may finally live up to his draft status. --Allen, Davis, Poyer, Hyde, and Brown are all healthy, and White is another year past his ACL injury. --Knox has had a year to recover from losing his brother, and the team has had the offseason to recover from Hamlin, Tops, etc. --Beane has done a good job upgrading the depth, adding Poona, Edwards, Sherfield, Harty, Murray, and Shell, as well as bringing back key veterans like Lawson and Martin. --McDermott takes over DC duties. Conceivably, this could be a negative, but he won the head coach job because he was a very effective DC, so odds are he'll do great. --Dorsey, Kromer, Smiley, Babich, and Brady all have a year's worth of experience with their respective charges, which can only help. --Last year's rookies all look ready to contribute more than last year, especially Elam, Cook, Benford, and Shakir. --This year's rookies should make valuable contributions, and Kincaid, Torrence, and Williams may end up starting. --They are no longer the media darlings anymore, which might take some of the pressure off. Reasons for pessimism: --Diggs' prima donna act may get worse and become a distraction. --They now need to get past not just the Chiefs, but also the Bengals, Dolphins, Jets, and maybe Ravens. --They have no real backup for Dawkins. --Their pass rush will likely continue to be mediocre until Miller returns. --The offensive line may have two new starters and will take time to jell. --Kincaid, Harty, Shorter, and Sheffield might not add enough juice, even taken together. As you see, reasons for optimism outnumber reasons for pessimism. But it's only May! Rousseau is going into his 3rd season which is crucial for his position and showed flashes last year. He doubled his sacks from 4 to 8 in year 2. I fully expect him to add to that total and show more consistency. Some players just need more time to develop. Rousseau has showed steady improvement IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Still one of the premier teams in the NFL unsure whether that will translate into a Super Bowl as currently constructed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I think it's clear that Beane has done what he can to strain the cap in a balanced effort to keep the roster at the level it topped out at. I think there were two approaches to this offseason. The Bills could have gone for 1-2 elite players (made a trade for Hopkins, pushed to sign Tremaine Edmunds right away, looked to sign an OT to replace Brown. This would have come at the expense of several depth players - Poona Ford, Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips, maybe Sherfield or Harty, players like that. The second option was a balanced approach that Beane has employed for several offseasons in a row - upgrade size at RB, pushed for starting talent at OG, turned over the bottom 3 at WR, etc, worked Safety depth, brought back nearly all of our own free agents, and generally squeezed every drop out of the existing cap. Let's see if the approach selected was the right one. I think the cap is strained, I think Beane has done nearly all he could (veteran pass rusher maybe) away from taking a balanced approach on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I'm optimistic. We still have a good roster. We conceivably may not have as many true difference makers as the teams we are competing against, but we are deep is most areas and the team showed last year that we can survive even when losing key men to injury. I also think too much is being read into the Bengals game. The Bills played a dreadful game all around. It was their worst performance of the season. Otherwise they lost 3 games by a combined 8 points. They laid an egg on a big stage, but that is being seen as a referendum on where they are as a team more than it should be. Oh and we still have Josh Allen. If Josh stays healthy we win the AFCE and it will come down to needing to peak at the right time and get a bounce or two in our favour in the playoffs. Funny how fans can just see that Cinci pathetic loss as a " one off." You seem to be doing your best interpretation of this. No disrespect intended. He's why that loss is significant. The Bills for 5 years have found ways to lose big playoff games. The Cinci game is another example of bad playoff losses. At some point, players, coaches, and the organization needs to get it done. Fans need to stop making excuses and hold people to accountability. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: Though I'm more optimistic about the Bills this year than last — Kincaid, upgraded O-line, McD calling what should be a more aggressive D — this has been my fear about the Bills for a while. I hope I'm either wrong or the team and Josh have evolved into a tougher team. The harder schedule this year will reveal a lot about the character and mental toughness of the team and Josh. Most of the off season I've thought 2023 is on Dorsey. It still is, but Josh needs to become elite, and that's about not just being good with some spectacular plays thrown in; it's about being a high-performance technician - getting his decisions and his throws right, play after play after play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Funny how fans can just see that Cinci pathetic loss as a " one off." You seem to be doing your best interpretation of this. No disrespect intended. He's why that loss is significant. The Bills for 5 years have found ways to lose big playoff games. The Cinci game is another example of bad playoff losses. At some point, players, coaches, and the organization needs to get it done. Fans need to stop making excuses and hold people to accountability. That is your view. It isn't mine. The Bills sucked that day. I don't know the reason. They just had a stinker. It can happen. It does happen. No excuses. But it's life. You ever fluffed a job interview? Ever blown a first date? Humans screw up sometimes even in big moments. That game is not a referendum on the state of the Bills. This wasn't "finding a way to lose a playoff game" it was not turning up to one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I think people are underestimating just how huge not having Saffold on field is going to be. Josh makes too many mistakes? How many of those last year just happened to be on the same play where Saffold (or Brown) whiffed & allowed a free rusher breathing down on Josh before he even secured the snap? Adding 2 major upgrades at OG is huge. If we were a top offense despite that, I have a ton of optimism for our 23' offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 hour ago, wjag said: I'm still trying to reconcile that last game against the Bengals. To be so totally outclassed has to have a hangover effect. I like all the additions on paper. I don't expect much from the rookie class. History tells us few will likely pop, immediately. For me, it really comes down to the OLINE. And right now, I have no clue if they will be better or worse. There's no reason why the OL should be worse. It's essentially the same minus Saffold who was terrible. McGovern would really have to stink for it to be worse. If he's what they're saying then the OL should be significantly improved. Then factor in Torrence. There should be a significant improvement there, but improved from on/about average, so it still likely won't be one of the top OLs in the league, but it should easily be better. Who knows, maybe it'll be a top-5. We'll see, time will tell. This is the first time we've had that much chemistry existing on the OL going into the season though, which in and of itself is reason for hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Funny how fans can just see that Cinci pathetic loss as a " one off." You seem to be doing your best interpretation of this. No disrespect intended. He's why that loss is significant. The Bills for 5 years have found ways to lose big playoff games. The Cinci game is another example of bad playoff losses. At some point, players, coaches, and the organization needs to get it done. Fans need to stop making excuses and hold people to accountability. With everything the Bills went through in the 3 weeks leading up to that Cinci game, Injuries. players not getting 100% healthy and playing. the whole mental side of it as well... people need to move on from that game. we were not in it from moment one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is your view. It isn't mine. The Bills sucked that day. I don't know the reason. They just had a stinker. It can happen. It does happen. No excuses. But it's life. You ever fluffed a job interview? Ever blown a first date? Humans screw up sometimes even in big moments. That game is not a referendum on the state of the Bills. This wasn't "finding a way to lose a playoff game" it was not turning up to one. We will disagree to disagree. It's the cumlative effect that many seem short sighted. Imho, there is a pretty solid history under McD of the Bills falling short in the playoffs. I'd argue its more of a concern than many fans think. If you deep deeper into the Cinci game you can also conclude that the Bills coaching staff was inept and borderline pathetic. Why? (1) The players were NOT ready to play. (2) What was the Bills game plan on both sides of the ball? I mean they had a dress rehearsal weeks before to get things right. The game plan was horrific. (3) What were the game time coaching adjustments? How many fans were calling a Bills win prior to the game? No one was talking about the tough toll of the season. No one was making excuses for the Bills. After the loss, the excuses flowed and flowed. They continue to this day. It's a one off, a bad day, too much to overcome, etc...How about the Bills aren't good enough to reach a Super Bowl; Allen or no Allen. How about the coaching staff is inferior to other quality coaches come playoff time. Is that reasonable? Until this team, coaching regime, and brass can get it done the criticism although tough is warranted. I don't apologize for my criticism. Edited May 30, 2023 by newcam2012 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 43 minutes ago, 947 said: I think people are underestimating just how huge not having Saffold on field is going to be. Josh makes too many mistakes? How many of those last year just happened to be on the same play where Saffold (or Brown) whiffed & allowed a free rusher breathing down on Josh before he even secured the snap? Adding 2 major upgrades at OG is huge. If we were a top offense despite that, I have a ton of optimism for our 23' offense. You have confidence in Spencer Brown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 jesus herbert christ. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 56 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Most of the off season I've thought 2023 is on Dorsey. It still is, but Josh needs to become elite, and that's about not just being good with some spectacular plays thrown in; it's about being a high-performance technician - getting his decisions and his throws right, play after play after play. Yes, I don't know if he got sloppy at times in the past out of overconfidence ("arm arrogance," if you will) but he doesn't always play 60 minutes without a couple bad decisions. You're right: stack good decision and smart throw after another and another. Then he can challenge anyone. Not-so-consistent Josh won't beat KC or Cinci otherwise. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, PBF81 said: This team has the potential to be the #1 Offense in the league. Let's hope it pans out that way. That will likely befall Dorsey. Defensively, not mentioned is the enormous question mark for the LB unit. Also only grazed upon, in our good seasons we've had relatively easy schedules in a relatively easy division. The opposite is the case this season. If the D can finish in the top-10 this season I will be impressed. I think the Bills offense will be fine. I still think the RB situation is fluid. I don't think Cook is a true number 1 bell cow RB. He looked good towards the end of the year. He's still unproven and learning. We've seen plenty of RBs look good only to have disappointing second seasons. Another big question is Dorsey. Can he juggle the Rbs and use them appropriately? Will he commit to the run? The wide receiving core has improved but beside Diggs is there a difference maker. Will Kincaid have an immediate impact. Although it's possible. Come playoff time teams will blanket Diggs and take him out of the game. Will the Bills have an answer? How will the oline play? Lots of new pieces to the line? No one player is a stud player. Dawkins is solid but frankly I think he's a bit overrated. With that said, he's the least of the Bills worries. Spencer Brown is a huge concern. To this point, all we have is potential. I can see him playing well or terrible. Allen needs to limit the turnovers and stay healthy. As long as that happens, the Bills offense will likely be a top 5 offense. I do feel good that Beane actively addressed the offensive side of the ball. Hopefully, the Bills offense will be extremely good this year. Edited May 30, 2023 by newcam2012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27yanks Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Endurance, physicality, and attitude. Winning requires a deep devotion and sacrifice. Everyone must be on the same page, and play stronger as each quarter, half, and game goes by. How bad do they want it. Over 50 years a fan, it's not how bad we want it, it's how bad they want it, and not to be partying all night before the Superbowl game. Can't be afraid to kick butt!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: We will disagree to disagree. It's the cumlative effect that many seem short sighted. Imho, there is a pretty solid history under McD of the Bills falling short in the playoffs. I'd argue its more of a concern than many fans think. If you deep deeper into the Cinci game you can also conclude that the Bills coaching staff was inept and borderline pathetic. Why? (1) The players were NOT ready to play. (2) What was the Bills game plan on both sides of the ball? I mean they had a dress rehearsal weeks before to get things right. The game plan was horrific. (3) What were the game time coaching adjustments? How many fans were calling a Bills win prior to the game? No one was talking about the tough toll of the season. No one was making excuses for the Bills. After the loss, the excuses flowed and flowed. They continue to this day. It's a one off, a bad day, too much to overcome, etc...How about the Bills aren't good enough to reach a Super Bowl; Allen or no Allen. How about the coaching staff is inferior to other quality coaches come playoff time. Is that reasonable? Until this team, coaching regime, and brass can get it done the criticism although tough is warranted. I don't apologize for my criticism. We got it, Newcam. You have made your point of view perfectly clear, repeatedly. We've absolutely understood what you are saying. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I think the Bills offense will be fine. I still think the RB situation is fluid. I don't think Cook is a true number 1 bell cow RB. He looked good towards the end of the year. He's still unproven and learning. We've seen plenty of RBs look good only to have disappointing second years. Another big question is Dorsey. Can he juggle the Rbs and use them appropriately? Will he commit to the run? The wide receiving core has improved but beside Diggs there is no difference maker. Hard to think Kincaid will have an immediate impact. Although it's possible. Come playoff time teams will blanket Diggs and take him out of the game. Will the Bills have an answer? How will the oline play? Lots of new pieces to the line? No one player is a stud player. Dawkins is solid but frankly I think he's a bit overrated. With that said, he's the least of the Bills worries. Spencer Brown is a huge concern. To this point all we have is potential. I can see him playing well or terrible. Allen needs to limit the turnovers and stay healthy. As long as that happens, the Bills offense will be at worst a top 10 offense. I do feel good that Beane actively addressed the offensive side of the ball. Hopefully, the Bills offense will be extremely good this year. The 2 statements in bold is the only 2 really questionable things for most people I assume. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 7 hours ago, finn said: Reasons to be optimistic about the season: --Many key players are in their prime, including Allen, Diggs, Davis, Dawkins, Harris, Knox, Oliver, Milano, and White. --Oliver is in his contract year, so he may finally live up to his draft status. --Allen, Davis, Poyer, Hyde, and Brown are all healthy, and White is another year past his ACL injury. --Knox has had a year to recover from losing his brother, and the team has had the offseason to recover from Hamlin, Tops, etc. --Beane has done a good job upgrading the depth, adding Poona, Edwards, Sherfield, Harty, Murray, and Shell, as well as bringing back key veterans like Lawson and Martin. --McDermott takes over DC duties. Conceivably, this could be a negative, but he won the head coach job because he was a very effective DC, so odds are he'll do great. --Dorsey, Kromer, Smiley, Babich, and Brady all have a year's worth of experience with their respective charges, which can only help. --Last year's rookies all look ready to contribute more than last year, especially Elam, Cook, Benford, and Shakir. --This year's rookies should make valuable contributions, and Kincaid, Torrence, and Williams may end up starting. --They are no longer the media darlings anymore, which might take some of the pressure off. Reasons for pessimism: --Diggs' prima donna act may get worse and become a distraction. --They now need to get past not just the Chiefs, but also the Bengals, Dolphins, Jets, and maybe Ravens. --They have no real backup for Dawkins. --Their pass rush will likely continue to be mediocre until Miller returns. --The offensive line may have two new starters and will take time to jell. --Kincaid, Harty, Shorter, and Sheffield might not add enough juice, even taken together. As you see, reasons for optimism outnumber reasons for pessimism. But it's only May! Diggs is not a prima donna. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I think the Bills offense will be fine. I still think the RB situation is fluid. I don't think Cook is a true number 1 bell cow RB. He looked good towards the end of the year. He's still unproven and learning. We've seen plenty of RBs look good only to have disappointing second seasons. Another big question is Dorsey. Can he juggle the Rbs and use them appropriately? Will he commit to the run? The wide receiving core has improved but beside Diggs is there a difference maker. Will Kincaid have an immediate impact. Although it's possible. Come playoff time teams will blanket Diggs and take him out of the game. Will the Bills have an answer? How will the oline play? Lots of new pieces to the line? No one player is a stud player. Dawkins is solid but frankly I think he's a bit overrated. With that said, he's the least of the Bills worries. Spencer Brown is a huge concern. To this point, all we have is potential. I can see him playing well or terrible. Allen needs to limit the turnovers and stay healthy. As long as that happens, the Bills offense will likely be a top 5 offense. I do feel good that Beane actively addressed the offensive side of the ball. Hopefully, the Bills offense will be extremely good this year. We'll definitely need a little luck to reach that potential, #1 Offense that is, I do think that enough is there given Allen. I wouldn't put money on it, largely because of Dorsey. But hopefully he spent the offseason bettering himself. As to the OL, I've always been of the mindset that to have a top OL, as a unit that is, all that's necessary is five average-to-above-average starters that play well together. Contrasted with one or two great OL-men and below-average talent in the other spots. If Brown improves I think we have that. Chemistry on the OL is more important than at any other unit. While unpopular, I'm also expecting Davis to improve as well. As to Cook & Harris, IMO it's a downgrade from last season, but it should be adequate. Presumably Hines gets used more in the passing game like they said when they traded for him. Edited May 30, 2023 by PBF81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I'm decently optimistic about this upcoming season mostly because of the offensive line upgrades. I'll be even more optimistic should the Bills sign D-Hop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 7 hours ago, finn said: Reasons to be optimistic about the season: --Many key players are in their prime, including Allen, Diggs, Davis, Dawkins, Harris, Knox, Oliver, Milano, and White. --Oliver is in his contract year, so he may finally live up to his draft status. --Allen, Davis, Poyer, Hyde, and Brown are all healthy, and White is another year past his ACL injury. --Knox has had a year to recover from losing his brother, and the team has had the offseason to recover from Hamlin, Tops, etc. --Beane has done a good job upgrading the depth, adding Poona, Edwards, Sherfield, Harty, Murray, and Shell, as well as bringing back key veterans like Lawson and Martin. --McDermott takes over DC duties. Conceivably, this could be a negative, but he won the head coach job because he was a very effective DC, so odds are he'll do great. --Dorsey, Kromer, Smiley, Babich, and Brady all have a year's worth of experience with their respective charges, which can only help. --Last year's rookies all look ready to contribute more than last year, especially Elam, Cook, Benford, and Shakir. --This year's rookies should make valuable contributions, and Kincaid, Torrence, and Williams may end up starting. --They are no longer the media darlings anymore, which might take some of the pressure off. Reasons for pessimism: --Diggs' prima donna act may get worse and become a distraction. --They now need to get past not just the Chiefs, but also the Bengals, Dolphins, Jets, and maybe Ravens. --They have no real backup for Dawkins. --Their pass rush will likely continue to be mediocre until Miller returns. --The offensive line may have two new starters and will take time to jell. --Kincaid, Harty, Shorter, and Sheffield might not add enough juice, even taken together. As you see, reasons for optimism outnumber reasons for pessimism. But it's only May! That was well thought out and right on the money. Anyone who is a serious Bills observer would have to agree with your assessment. The most concerning point you made is the ? mark hanging over the D-line without Miller and his effectiveness when he returns. I still think the addition of an Ingram, Houston or Floyd would be the answer to our defensive shortcomings. I have no worries about our receiving room or any doubt that Kincaid and Sherfeld will add a positive dimension to our offense. With the interior line upgraded and depth added to the tackle position , look for Josh to have a better conventional running game and better protection. Dorsey’s evolution is also concerning until it isn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I skipped ahead, has anyone complained yet that the OP put optimism ahead of pessimism in the title? Did the OP have to use the old “alphabetical defense” here? 😋 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Until proven otherwise it's the same as it had been for three years Allen is our greatest hope Coaching is our biggest question mark 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I have many reasons for optimism. My main reason for pessimism is that the Bills may not be able to adequately replace the unique combination of size and athleticism that they had at middle linebacker with Tremaine Edmunds. I'm a little concerned that if Von Miller is not 100% to start the season the defensive ends could struggle again to get pressure on opposing QBs. I think the offensive line is going to be fine, maybe not the best in the league, but better than they have been. I think the running game will be more dependable on offense. I think the offense is going to cut down on turnovers. Barring injury I think the defensive secondary is going to be much better. I expect marginal improvement from the interior defensive line in run stopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyCat Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 12 hours ago, Shaw66 said: I've gotten beyond optimism and pessimism. Winning a Super Bowl is difficult. The Bills have enough on offense and defense to do it. They either will do it, and people's optimism will be justified, or they won't, and people's pessimism will be justified. I watched the Celtics lose last night, and kept thinking that they are a team that just doesn't have the toughness, including the winner's attitude, to win the championship. As I watched, I worried that that could describe the Bills, too. It would break McDermott's heart to admit that his team isn't tough enough to win, and it's up to him to prove that they are. I agree with my old friend about "toughness" on the Bills. Too many tacklers and not enough hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I am optimistic that I will not have to watch the garbage that was on TV for 17 years before McBean came on board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: That is your view. It isn't mine. The Bills sucked that day. I don't know the reason. They just had a stinker. It can happen. It does happen. No excuses. But it's life. You ever fluffed a job interview? Ever blown a first date? Humans screw up sometimes even in big moments. That game is not a referendum on the state of the Bills. This wasn't "finding a way to lose a playoff game" it was not turning up to one. You’re right! That game was not a referendum on the state of the Bills. The annual failure in the playoffs is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Allen. + new weapons. Allen - Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 14 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: Yes, I don't know if he got sloppy at times in the past out of overconfidence ("arm arrogance," if you will) but he doesn't always play 60 minutes without a couple bad decisions. You're right: stack good decision and smart throw after another and another. Then he can challenge anyone. Not-so-consistent Josh won't beat KC or Cinci otherwise. You and Shaw are correct, Josh needs to make the next required step if he is to punch his ticket for a championship, he very much needs to incorporate the short passes into his game, and start using his RBs more, this is as well on Dorsey to insist on this in Joshes actions on the field, jmo. We shall see, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I’m obviously thrilled that the Bills are at least relevant once again, but I’m beginning to understand how some NBA teams have evolved to just treading water through the regular season in order to be ready come playoff time. I felt that last season the Bills were desperate to win the regular season and then were pretty much spent when the playoffs finally came around (it’s a long season). This year I’m far less concerned about the regular season. The schedule is a challenge for sure but I’ll be perfectly fine with going on the road for the playoffs so long as the Bills still have something left in the tank come January and February. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 23 hours ago, finn said: Reasons for pessimism: --Diggs' prima donna act may get worse and become a distraction. disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 You may be right, but how do you interpret Diggs behavior as anything but a self-indulgent pout? Is it a form of leadership? If so, how does that work? Allen and McDermott say he's just showing that losing isn't ok, but I don't see how posting snark does anyone any good. (To be fair, I don't recall what exactly he said, but it wasn't positive.) To put it another way, what exactly does Diggs want the Bills to do? Apologize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, finn said: You may be right, but how do you interpret Diggs behavior as anything but a self-indulgent pout? Is it a form of leadership? If so, how does that work? Allen and McDermott say he's just showing that losing isn't ok, but I don't see how posting snark does anyone any good. (To be fair, I don't recall what exactly he said, but it wasn't positive.) To put it another way, what exactly does Diggs want the Bills to do? Apologize? His behaviour at the end of last season, storming out after the game without changing etc was unacceptable and it was a self-indulgent pout. And I say that as the biggest Diggs fan going. He always holds those around him to high standards but on that occasion he failed to uphold them himself and I would hope he has in some form apologised to the team and the coaches. Not turning up for OTAs however is par for the course. He only came to one last year too. I don't think that is a show of anything other than Stef keeps himself in top shape and doesn't feel he needs the OTAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) Optimism - Josh Allen Pessimism - McClappy Edited May 31, 2023 by Freddie's Dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 19 hours ago, teef said: jesus herbert christ. I thought his middle name was Henry..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 On 5/30/2023 at 9:47 AM, Shaw66 said: I've gotten beyond optimism and pessimism. Winning a Super Bowl is difficult. The Bills have enough on offense and defense to do it. They either will do it, and people's optimism will be justified, or they won't, and people's pessimism will be justified. I watched the Celtics lose last night, and kept thinking that they are a team that just doesn't have the toughness, including the winner's attitude, to win the championship. As I watched, I worried that that could describe the Bills, too. It would break McDermott's heart to admit that his team isn't tough enough to win, and it's up to him to prove that they are. I've been saying the celtics are the Bills for the past 2 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 My concern is not the Cincinnati game it's the second half of the season looking very vulnerable. They made wins look harder than they should have been. I know they had some mental challenges and things happening but that last half they looked underwhelming for what people expected in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 On 5/30/2023 at 7:02 AM, GreggTX said: Still, I remember a year when Joe Namath threw 6 interceptions against the Bills at War Memorial Stadium. It was the only game we won and the only one the Jets lost as they went on to defeat the heavily favored Colts in SB3. That was the first regular season Bills game my Dad took me to - we had 3 pick sixes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 reason for optimism-Hopkins reason for pessimism-Hopkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Reasons for optimism: Bills have the most gifted QB in the NFL Reasons for pessimism: Coaching staff has never figured out how to win a playoff game past the divisional round. Hyde, Miller, Poyer, White all likely have their best seasons in the past. Reasons for neutraility: Rest of Roster: Some good, some bad, in summary NFL Average. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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