SI dumping all over McDermott at #22

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

SI has not really been relevant for a number of years.  Putting out controversial opinions is the only way they can hope to draw back readers.  They are a joke and so are most of their contributors.

[Airseven]

McDermott reminds me of the Monty Williams situation with the Phoenix Suns. He was the right guy to change a culture and to build a team back to national relevance. A good guy, competitor, stabilizer. But he’s not the right guy to push a team over the top once the standard elevates and peers become the best coaches and players in the sport. He gets outclassed.

[Dr.Sack]

McDermott has a chance to prove his haters wrong. Lots of coaches run the offense and coach. McD can do the same. 

[Dr. K]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

McDermott reminds me of the Monty Williams situation with the Phoenix Suns. He was the right guy to change a culture and to build a team back to national relevance. A good guy, competitor, stabilizer. But he’s not the right guy to push a team over the top once the standard elevates and peers become the best coaches and players in the sport. He gets outclassed.

What was your opinion of Andy Reid as a coach in 2016?

 

Just read this:

 

(In 2013) Reid went on to lead the Chiefs to a 9–0 record to start the season, tied for the best start in franchise history.[71] Despite losing five of their last seven games, the Chiefs finished with an 11–5 record to clinch a wild card spot in the AFC playoffs. In the wild card round, they were defeated by the Indianapolis Colts 45–44 after surrendering a 28-point lead in the third quarter.[72][73]

 

Under Reid, the Chiefs recorded a winning record in the 2014 season, finishing 9–7. However, they failed to qualify for the playoffs.[74]

 

In 2015, the Chiefs were in danger of missing the playoffs for a second consecutive year after they lost five straight games to begin the season 1–5. Reid accepted the blame for his team's poor start[75] and his future with the Chiefs was called into question.[76] However, the Chiefs won every remaining regular-season game, finishing with an 11–5 record and a wild card spot in the AFC playoffs.[77] Reid would go on to lead the Chiefs to their first playoff win since the 1993 season in a 30–0 shutout of the Houston Texans,[78] but the team was defeated 20–27 in their Divisional Round game against the New England Patriots.[79] Prior to the loss, the Chiefs posted an eleven-game winning streak, which is the best in franchise history.[80] Reid was criticized for his clock management near the end of the game, calling no timeouts in a late fourth-quarter drive that cut the Patriots' 27–13 lead down to a touchdown but took the Chiefs 5 minutes and 16 seconds to score and left them with only a minute and 13 seconds to try and tie the game.[81]

 

Reid improved in the regular season with the 2016 Chiefs, who finished with a 12–4 record and clinched their division for the first time since 2010, as well as for the first time under Reid.[82] The Chiefs went undefeated against their AFC West rivals to secure the division title on a tiebreaker with the 12–4 Oakland Raiders and obtain a first-round bye in the playoffs as the AFC's second seed.[83] The bye was the Chiefs' first since 2003.

 

Despite the team's regular-season success, the Chiefs were eliminated in the Divisional Round for a second consecutive year in an 16–18 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Although the Chiefs were able to prevent the Steelers from scoring any touchdowns, they were unable to match the six field goals Pittsburgh converted.[84]

 

The Chiefs started strong during the 2017 season, winning their first five games to become the NFL's last remaining undefeated team, including a victory against defending Super Bowl champions New England Patriots in the kickoff game.[85][86] After their strong start, the Chiefs lost six of their next seven games, resulting in Reid conceding playcalling duties to offensive coordinator Matt Nagy. Nevertheless, the Chiefs won their last four games to finish 10–6 and clinch the AFC West for a second consecutive year, the first back-to-back division titles in franchise history.[87] However, the team ultimately suffered a sixth consecutive home playoff loss in a 21–22 defeat against the Tennessee Titans in the Wild Card Round. Despite holding a 21–3 lead at halftime, the Chiefs were shut out during the second half as the Titans scored 19 unanswered points to win the game.[88]

Edited May 28, 2023 by Dr. K

[PrimeTime101]

they not selling many magazines these days so now they have to sell clicks. 

[machine gun kelly]

My Pat opinion on all these ratings.

 

 

It’s old, but still plays.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

What was your opinion of Andy Reid as a coach in 2016?

 

Just read this:

 

(In 2013) Reid went on to lead the Chiefs to a 9–0 record to start the season, tied for the best start in franchise history.[71] Despite losing five of their last seven games, the Chiefs finished with an 11–5 record to clinch a wild card spot in the AFC playoffs. In the wild card round, they were defeated by the Indianapolis Colts 45–44 after surrendering a 28-point lead in the third quarter.[72][73]

 

Under Reid, the Chiefs recorded a winning record in the 2014 season, finishing 9–7. However, they failed to qualify for the playoffs.[74]

 

In 2015, the Chiefs were in danger of missing the playoffs for a second consecutive year after they lost five straight games to begin the season 1–5. Reid accepted the blame for his team's poor start[75] and his future with the Chiefs was called into question.[76] However, the Chiefs won every remaining regular-season game, finishing with an 11–5 record and a wild card spot in the AFC playoffs.[77] Reid would go on to lead the Chiefs to their first playoff win since the 1993 season in a 30–0 shutout of the Houston Texans,[78] but the team was defeated 20–27 in their Divisional Round game against the New England Patriots.[79] Prior to the loss, the Chiefs posted an eleven-game winning streak, which is the best in franchise history.[80] Reid was criticized for his clock management near the end of the game, calling no timeouts in a late fourth-quarter drive that cut the Patriots' 27–13 lead down to a touchdown but took the Chiefs 5 minutes and 16 seconds to score and left them with only a minute and 13 seconds to try and tie the game.[81]

 

Reid improved in the regular season with the 2016 Chiefs, who finished with a 12–4 record and clinched their division for the first time since 2010, as well as for the first time under Reid.[82] The Chiefs went undefeated against their AFC West rivals to secure the division title on a tiebreaker with the 12–4 Oakland Raiders and obtain a first-round bye in the playoffs as the AFC's second seed.[83] The bye was the Chiefs' first since 2003.

 

Despite the team's regular-season success, the Chiefs were eliminated in the Divisional Round for a second consecutive year in an 16–18 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Although the Chiefs were able to prevent the Steelers from scoring any touchdowns, they were unable to match the six field goals Pittsburgh converted.[84]

 

The Chiefs started strong during the 2017 season, winning their first five games to become the NFL's last remaining undefeated team, including a victory against defending Super Bowl champions New England Patriots in the kickoff game.[85][86] After their strong start, the Chiefs lost six of their next seven games, resulting in Reid conceding playcalling duties to offensive coordinator Matt Nagy. Nevertheless, the Chiefs won their last four games to finish 10–6 and clinch the AFC West for a second consecutive year, the first back-to-back division titles in franchise history.[87] However, the team ultimately suffered a sixth consecutive home playoff loss in a 21–22 defeat against the Tennessee Titans in the Wild Card Round. Despite holding a 21–3 lead at halftime, the Chiefs were shut out during the second half as the Titans scored 19 unanswered points to win the game.[88]

Vintage Andy Reid.

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

So he inherited a championship caliber team and culture is what you are saying?:P

Uh compared to 20 years of irrelevancy? No, Hard disagree.

This is where I think your thinking is flawed. So many Bills fans are satisfied with great regular season records, AFC titles, and playoff appearances only to lose early. 

 

Of course it's better than the past decades of Bills failures. No one is denying that.

 

However, I don't think it's unreasonable for Bills fans to expect and want more. Like a Super Bowl appearence and a Lombardi Trophy. 

 

You have arguably the top 3 QB in the league with some very nice weapons on both sides of the ball. Imho, it's a  realistic that the Bills should be advancing further. 

 

Past decades of failure really shouldn't be used to justify or lower fans expectations and results of the current team. Sadly, I think too many Bills fans have this mindset. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

What was your opinion of Andy Reid as a coach in 2016?

 

Just read this:

 

(In 2013) Reid went on to lead the Chiefs to a 9–0 record to start the season, tied for the best start in franchise history.[71] Despite losing five of their last seven games, the Chiefs finished with an 11–5 record to clinch a wild card spot in the AFC playoffs. In the wild card round, they were defeated by the Indianapolis Colts 45–44 after surrendering a 28-point lead in the third quarter.[72][73]

 

Under Reid, the Chiefs recorded a winning record in the 2014 season, finishing 9–7. However, they failed to qualify for the playoffs.[74]

 

In 2015, the Chiefs were in danger of missing the playoffs for a second consecutive year after they lost five straight games to begin the season 1–5. Reid accepted the blame for his team's poor start[75] and his future with the Chiefs was called into question.[76] However, the Chiefs won every remaining regular-season game, finishing with an 11–5 record and a wild card spot in the AFC playoffs.[77] Reid would go on to lead the Chiefs to their first playoff win since the 1993 season in a 30–0 shutout of the Houston Texans,[78] but the team was defeated 20–27 in their Divisional Round game against the New England Patriots.[79] Prior to the loss, the Chiefs posted an eleven-game winning streak, which is the best in franchise history.[80] Reid was criticized for his clock management near the end of the game, calling no timeouts in a late fourth-quarter drive that cut the Patriots' 27–13 lead down to a touchdown but took the Chiefs 5 minutes and 16 seconds to score and left them with only a minute and 13 seconds to try and tie the game.[81]

 

Reid improved in the regular season with the 2016 Chiefs, who finished with a 12–4 record and clinched their division for the first time since 2010, as well as for the first time under Reid.[82] The Chiefs went undefeated against their AFC West rivals to secure the division title on a tiebreaker with the 12–4 Oakland Raiders and obtain a first-round bye in the playoffs as the AFC's second seed.[83] The bye was the Chiefs' first since 2003.

 

Despite the team's regular-season success, the Chiefs were eliminated in the Divisional Round for a second consecutive year in an 16–18 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Although the Chiefs were able to prevent the Steelers from scoring any touchdowns, they were unable to match the six field goals Pittsburgh converted.[84]

 

The Chiefs started strong during the 2017 season, winning their first five games to become the NFL's last remaining undefeated team, including a victory against defending Super Bowl champions New England Patriots in the kickoff game.[85][86] After their strong start, the Chiefs lost six of their next seven games, resulting in Reid conceding playcalling duties to offensive coordinator Matt Nagy. Nevertheless, the Chiefs won their last four games to finish 10–6 and clinch the AFC West for a second consecutive year, the first back-to-back division titles in franchise history.[87] However, the team ultimately suffered a sixth consecutive home playoff loss in a 21–22 defeat against the Tennessee Titans in the Wild Card Round. Despite holding a 21–3 lead at halftime, the Chiefs were shut out during the second half as the Titans scored 19 unanswered points to win the game.[88]

Doing all that w Alex Smith I'd call that pretty impressive 

[Mike in Horseheads]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Doing all that w Alex Smith I'd call that pretty impressive 

Smiff has never been a bad QB, just like to play small ball not Hollywoods deep passes

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, Trekking said:

McD deserves all the credit turning a tire fire into a contender. Not many could instill the culture change in an undesirable location and completely flip the script. 
 

Game management was a problem that lies on him. It has improved.  He is average at best here.  
 

Defensive scheme has been a problem that over the last few years McD would step in front of Frasier and fix. Last year he didn’t and the team noticeably suffered. Now Frasier is gone. If he calls the plays on D again I’m sure we will be exceptional again. It’s hard to draw the line between micro managing or not and you can’t blame him for things he let his D coordinator do. 
 

He has let the OC do what they want. He has been very aggressive on 4th downs with Josh.

 

Hes a great coach. Whether we go all the way has more to do with the OC and players than him. He has a culture of winning and that is a hard thing to create. 

Alot of accurate assessments.  His game management has only slightly improved during the regular season. But I still have little faith in him outscoring teams during the playoffs.  It's as if he relies the his players' athleticism to take over.  As a distributor of process,  culture and player relationships I would definitely call him great.  His 4th aggressiveness is appreciated. I'm excited he's taking control of the defense. There's just this underlying fear His lack of game management (13 sec) will rear it's ugly head and cost us another playoff game. 

[GoBills808]

27 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Smiff has never been a bad QB, just like to play small ball not Hollywoods deep passes

He was Tyrod before Tyrod was Tyrod 

[Mike in Horseheads]

23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He was Tyrod before Tyrod was Tyrod 

I'd take Alex Smiff over Tyrod any day of the week

[ProcessTruster]

On 5/27/2023 at 6:21 PM, Toyo321 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-head-coach-rankings-andy-reid-bill-belichick#:~:text=NFL Coach Rankings%3A Bills' Sean,22nd among active head coaches.\\

 

https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/

 

Sport Illustrated just dumped on him based on The 33rd Team analysis.  I do believe this year he seriously is in the hot seat, now that he to has call the D this year on top of the head coaching duties.

 

I guess we will see.

 

55-21 the past 5 seasons.  the hot seat?  You are insane.  

[Toyo321]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

55-21 the past 5 seasons.  the hot seat?  You are insane.  

The Buffalo Bills have a record of 4-4 in the playoffs between May 7, 2018 and May 7, 2023.  .500% is all that matters.  0 Super bowls wins,  0 AFC championship wins and he crumbles when the pressure is on and when it matters the most.  He is just average by the win % but IMO he is less than average as a coach in the playoffs and his instincts as coach are less than that of his pears, this teams talent has carried him for these wins, not McD's coaching.  The last two years when elite coaching was needed and mattered the most, McD and Frazier both laid a big fat goose eggs, we cant even get to the AFC championship game.  This year is going to be no gimme,  and you think they are a shoe in because they have gone 55-21 in the past 5 seasons......

 

please..... You like a lot of other McD supporters are blinded by the this whole process BS thing.

 

His process is losing the most important games when it matters,  because he does not possess the elite coaching mentality on what it takes to get this team prepared to succeed at the next level, by winning a AFCCG or a SB.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Toyo321

[GoBills808]

^^he might have the elite level coaching chops and just needs time to get there. The real issue is that he's unlikely to get a QB like Allen again and there's no percentage in wasting his career in hopes the coach figures it out eventually. In that regard Reid was lucky to have cut his teeth w McNabb and Smith.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Toyo321 said:

The Buffalo Bills have a record of 4-4 in the playoffs between May 7, 2018 and May 7, 2023.  .500% is all that matters.  0 Super bowls wins,  0 AFC championship wins and he crumbles when the pressure is on and when it matters the most.  He is just average by the win % but IMO he is less than average as a coach in the playoffs and his instincts as coach are less than that of his pears, this teams talent has carried him for these wins, not McD's coaching.  The last two years when elite coaching was needed and mattered the most, McD and Frazier both laid a big fat goose eggs, we cant even get to the AFC championship game.  This year is going to be no gimme,  and you think they are a shoe in because they have gone 55-21 in the past 5 seasons......

 

please..... You like a lot of other McD supporters are blinded by the this whole process BS thing.

 

His process is losing the most important games when it matters,  because he does not possess the elite coaching mentality on what it takes to get this team prepared to succeed at the next level, by winning a AFCCG or a SB.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What a post! I happen totally agree with you. I'm not sure any reasonable Bills fan can disagree with your post. The facts simply verify your points. 

 

Your post won't be popular but I'd rather hear the truth than blind optimism. 

 

Thanks for being brutally honest. 

[May Day 10]

Finally looked at it.  1-12 other than daboll you can make a solid case for.  13-21 seem like a troll job.

 

 

[BobbyC81]

On 5/27/2023 at 3:38 PM, Augie said:

 

I describe it as sound and secure at this point. He was 14-4 last year despite a cluster**** of turmoil. I wish there was an inoculation for 13 seconds. It’s over. Big picture people! We are a top 5 team in the league. Who wants to shake that up and start over? Not me. Let’s just keep tweaking to get better every year. 

Yeah, go to a new coach and he’ll bring in a D coordinator that likes the 3-4, making some of the current D linemen and LBs not suitable and here we go again.  They also bring in an O coordinator that wants to run the ball and not take risks in the passing game, despite our All-Pro QB.

[Billl]

15 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Beane has done a real nice job addressing the OL.

I've seen a lot of people say this, but I don't get it.  For all the complaining about how bad the line was last season, Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard is all it takes to fix?  That seems like an awfully small band-aid.

[4merper4mer]

9 minutes ago, Billl said:

I've seen a lot of people say this, but I don't get it.  For all the complaining about how bad the line was last season, Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard is all it takes to fix?  That seems like an awfully small band-aid.

We should have definitely acquired 14 guards.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 5/27/2023 at 3:43 PM, Augie said:

 

If we have a losing record they would give him another year, and I don’t see that happening. 

j wouldn’t be so sure of that. 
 

losing record with JA playing every game? That just can’t happen. And if it happened when the team is already in a downward trajectory since the 2020

AFC Championship game appearance his seat would be pretty hot. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Spencer Brown is awful…. But the hope is he gets better and a full offseason and training camp without dealing with back issues/not post surgery results in improvement. 
 

Saffold was a train wreck. It would be an amazing feat if McGovern is equal or some how worse to Saffold’s 2022 performance. 
 

But I agree. Jury still way out on if the line is much improved.

The line will be slightly improved.  But if you had witnessed the week 3 abomination of Spencer Brown pretending to play RT, you'd pass out.  He literally let his man beat him immediately off the snap. And if Kromer thinks he'll magically improve post ankle,  he's dreaming. 

[BillsFan692]

9 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

This is where I think your thinking is flawed. So many Bills fans are satisfied with great regular season records, AFC titles, and playoff appearances only to lose early. 

 

Of course it's better than the past decades of Bills failures. No one is denying that.

 

However, I don't think it's unreasonable for Bills fans to expect and want more. Like a Super Bowl appearence and a Lombardi Trophy. 

 

You have arguably the top 3 QB in the league with some very nice weapons on both sides of the ball. Imho, it's a  realistic that the Bills should be advancing further. 

 

Past decades of failure really shouldn't be used to justify or lower fans expectations and results of the current team. Sadly, I think too many Bills fans have this mindset. 

Respectfully its pretty simple choice. You rather play in january or not?

 

I mean have you ever heard the phrase "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"?

 

How about "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"?

 

But hey, wisdom, what is it good for? Sadly with too many bills fan it's worth absolutely nothing!

Edited May 29, 2023 by BillsFan692

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said:

Respectfully its pretty simple choice. You rather play in january or not?

 

I mean have you ever heard the phrase "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"?

 

How about "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"?

 

But hey, wisdom, what is it good for? Sadly with too many bills fan it's worth absolutely nothing!

Intellectualizing is a great defense mechanism. Your post fits that to a T. 

 

Of course you want to play in January. However, you fail to take to next logical step. 

 

On all levels this post falls blatantly flat bordering on  disingenuous and condescending. 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Billl said:

I've seen a lot of people say this, but I don't get it.  For all the complaining about how bad the line was last season, Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard is all it takes to fix?  That seems like an awfully small band-aid.

From who was available, what he had to work with cap wise, and how the draft board fell it's a start.  We have more high end starter talent and depth in the interior of the line.  Not doing the same for the tackle position is fair criticism.

 

The deeper issue is a failure of Beane since he got here is not spending enough draft capital on the o-line and striking out when he did (Ford and probably Spencer Brown).  Also, when he did finally hit on a late round o-lineman he gave up on him too soon.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Billl said:

I've seen a lot of people say this, but I don't get it.  For all the complaining about how bad the line was last season, Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard is all it takes to fix?  That seems like an awfully small band-aid.

 

The problems were mainly on the interior. We had the worst guard play in the NFL. Obviously the guys we have brought in have to work but they can't be worse that Saffold. There is still a bit of a question at right tackle but we will see. 

[UKBillFan]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The line will be slightly improved.  But if you had witnessed the week 3 abomination of Spencer Brown pretending to play RT, you'd pass out.  He literally let his man beat him immediately off the snap. And if Kromer thinks he'll magically improve post ankle,  he's dreaming. 

 

Brown was worse last year than 2021. I don't think anyone minded him coming back after his rookie year but certainly something wasn't right last season. They're seemingly gambling that he'll improve now the injuries are out of the way.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

6 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Respectfully its pretty simple choice. You rather play in january or not?

 

I mean have you ever heard the phrase "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"?

 

How about "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"?

 

But hey, wisdom, what is it good for? Sadly with too many bills fan it's worth absolutely nothing!

 

Don't you think with Allen, the absolute floor for any HC should be getting the team into the playoffs every year? If McDermott continues the trend of

 

1. blowing regular season games that keep us from the one seed.

 

2. diminishing returns in the postseason ever since 2020

 

He will be on the hot seat. Right now, I would say his seat is warm because the above two things have become a trend with this team and it's up to him to fix them. 

 

 

[UKBillFan]

41 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He was just as bad in 2021… Allen bailed him out on numerous occasions.

 

Think I disagree - he wasn't good but there were signs that he could improve into a decent guard; signs which all but disappeared last year.

[Dr. K]

12 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

What a post! I happen totally agree with you. I'm not sure any reasonable Bills fan can disagree with your post. The facts simply verify your points. 

 

Your post won't be popular but I'd rather hear the truth than blind optimism. 

 

Thanks for being brutally honest. 

Claiming you are being "brutally honest" is a rhetorical device that has nothing to do with honesty. It's not an argument and it has no proof value. it's an assertion, a form of the rhetorical fallacy called "begging the question." 

 

 

It can also be seen as a form of ad hominum argument. It's a claim of "I am the tough minded realist and you are a wimp" without refuting anything. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Billl]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The problems were mainly on the interior. We had the worst guard play in the NFL. Obviously the guys we have brought in have to work but they can't be worse that Saffold. There is still a bit of a question at right tackle but we will see. 

It just seems like these are the same level of moves that have been made every year.  If they don't work any better than adding Saffold worked, then a year from now people are going to be complaining that all Beane did to address the issues was being in McGovern and Torrence (and the criticisms will be justified).  

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

Claiming you are being "brutally honest" is a rhetorical device that has nothing to do with honesty. It's not an argument and it has no proof value. it's an assertion, a form of the rhetorical fallacy called "begging the question." 

 

 

It can also be seen as a form of ad hominum argument. It's a claim of "I am the tough minded realist and you are a wimp" without refuting anything. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would love to hear John Cleese recite those very lines in a classic Monty Python dead parrot sort of way…, 

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, Billl said:

It just seems like these are the same level of moves that have been made every year.  If they don't work any better than adding Saffold worked, then a year from now people are going to be complaining that all Beane did to address the issues was being in McGovern and Torrence (and the criticisms will be justified).  

 

See I disagree with that. Saffold was clearly cooked. I said as much at the time. I hated that move. There is a risk to a rookie (Torrence), a guard with one good year who might still be ascending or might be a one year wonder (McGovern) and a proven good starter who is hurt a lot (Edwards). But they are not moves akin to Saffold and extending Bates. I was one of the biggest critics of their IOL moves last offseason. Comes down to I just think the guys they have brought in this year are better players. I am cautiously optimistic.

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He was just as bad in 2021… Allen bailed him out on numerous occasions.

 

He was in pass pro. But his run blocking was an asset in 2021. He didn't even do that well last year.

[BADOLBILZ]

14 hours ago, Billl said:

I've seen a lot of people say this, but I don't get it.  For all the complaining about how bad the line was last season, Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard is all it takes to fix?  That seems like an awfully small band-aid.

 

 

Well the standard you have as a Chiefs fan is making Joe Thuney the highest paid guard in the NFL and then trading a 1st rounder for Orlando Brown and paying him franchise tag LT money for two years and then picking a center-only player in round 2.   That was a MASSIVE investment of assets in the OL by any standard.    The Bills already have the veteran anchors in Dawkins and Morse that the Chiefs didn't have but yeah the rest of the OL they are banking on improvement and hoping that at worst they will be serviceable at those positions.  

 

That's part of the cost of the investments they have in their secondary, IMO.   4 of the best at their positions in the NFL the past 3-4 years all under 2nd and 3rd contracts........and a first round pick in Elam.    Personally I think they over-invested there but when they've been healthy in the secondary they've often looked like the best team in the NFL. 

[UConn James]

Sports Illustrated is like 5 guys working out of a garage at this point, no? It was bought a few years ago and budget was mercilessly slashed.

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, Dr. K said:

Claiming you are being "brutally honest" is a rhetorical device that has nothing to do with honesty. It's not an argument and it has no proof value. it's an assertion, a form of the rhetorical fallacy called "begging the question." 

 

 

It can also be seen as a form of ad hominum argument. It's a claim of "I am the tough minded realist and you are a wimp" without refuting anything. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have to disagree with respect. Of course some of the post was opinionated. However, it was backed up with facts. I stand by my post 100%.

 

There is really no need to delve into the phrase "brutally honest." I think we all know the generally theme of the statement. You really seem to be intellectualizing the point to a flaw. Let me clarify.

 

Often critical and or negative forwarding posts receive much flack. Perhaps even intimidation and mocking. I know I've experienced that myself. For example, recently a poster iterated that I say the same negative points over and over. Suggesting I get a hobby.  Clearly, if my posts were overtly positive I would have never received such a comment. Likely, my post would be welcomed with open arms, thumbs up, and fist pumps. I've seen it over and over and over. Comments like you are dead to me when a poster predicts a negative Bills outcome. 

 

Your ad homimun comment certainly doesn't apply to my post. I am not trying to imply myself or anyone else is tough minded and or wimpy. Such a claim would be unprofessional and frankly horrible. Implying that I have done that is overtly disingenuous. Hopefully, that wasn't your sentiment. 

 

Hope that clarifies my post. I will continue to use the term with respect when applicable. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by newcam2012

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Once he wins a SB McDermott will be bullet proof, but until then there will always be pressure. This rating is BS to be honest though. He’s much better than that

[Dr.Sack]

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Once he wins a SB McDermott will be bullet proof, but until then there will always be pressure. This rating is BS to be honest though. He’s much better than that

Suppose a higher rated coach (Top 5) was our coach - omitting Belichick who gets this rating based on past performance and Brady would you feel any better about the Bills Super Bowl chances?  

[Bill from NYC]

18 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That's part of the cost of the investments they have in their secondary, IMO.   4 of the best at their positions in the NFL the past 3-4 years all under 2nd and 3rd contracts........and a first round pick in Elam.    Personally I think they over-invested there but when they've been healthy in the secondary they've often looked like the best team in the NFL. 

Not to mention trading up for him.

 

The Chiefs have a great qb and they went all out to protect him. We have a great QB and place emphasis on the defensive backfield. It's a decades old problem that started with Marv.

Edited May 30, 2023 by Bill from NYC