Gregg Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) Who knows what is going on with Diggs, but Beane may want to revisit this. Edited June 13, 2023 by Gregg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Ring...Ring...Ring...RING!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 This thread is about to get interesting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 It would be a smart time to sign DHop if the Bills want to help shift the narrative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It would be a smart time to sign DHop if the Bills want to help shift the narrative lol, it would literally do the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: lol, it would literally do the opposite I doubt that. Hopkins and Diggs are buddies and it would clearly signal that the organization wants to do what it takes to WIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: I doubt that. Hopkins and Diggs are buddies and it would clearly signal that the organization wants to do what it takes to WIN If they signed Hopkins all of a sudden the narrative is going to immediately be that it was some panic move because of issues with Diggs. We don't have any more money to sign DHop, doing so will not shift the narrative, it will look a lot more like insurance against Diggs issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If they signed Hopkins all of a sudden the narrative is going to immediately be that it was some panic move because of issues with Diggs. We don't have any more money to sign DHop, doing so will not shift the narrative, it will look a lot more like insurance against Diggs issues. We have over $5M in cap and moves that could be made. Could easily get $10-15M to Hop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 40 minutes ago, ngbills said: We have over $5M in cap and moves that could be made. Could easily get $10-15M to Hop. From my understanding and fellow OBD cap scientists the Bills have four moves they could make to free up cap space. 1- Restructure Dawkins 2- Restructure Tre 3- Extend D Jones 4- Extend Hyde Given Hyde’s age and the injury he is coming off of I don’t think they want to do that. Tre is another one I don’t think they would do but they would consider it if they really needed the space. Restructuring Tre would push his dead cap hits up the next two seasons and considering the injury he is not too far removed from I think they would prefer to have some flexibility with him. Dawkins I think they will and can do and that would free up 6 million in cap space. A D Jones extension would free up 4 million in space and considering they only have one DT under contract next season It would make sense they would want to get a extension done for him. So the Bills have options for space but how much can they maneuver to make that play for Dhop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: So the Bills have options for space but how much can they maneuver to make that play for Dhop? How much do you think they need? Von cost the Bills like $5m on the cap last year… They could make it happen should they choose .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It would be a smart time to sign DHop if the Bills want to help shift the narrative It would do the opposite. It would send a message that we're worried about Diggs and may be looking to eat the dead cap and move on. Digg's problem isn't that the team isn't doing enough to win. It's presumably to do with the coaching. Specifically, game planning away from him in both the KC Championship Game and the Cinci Divisional playoff exits. If anything, the problems with Diggs right now makes Hopkins even more unlikely. It would send the wrong message to Diggs and the media. And if they're feeling a headache from 1 Top WR right now, they may not want to take on another who has his own set of Diva behavior (specifically when it comes to practice habits). Also, if Diggs is worried about his targets, bringing in Hopkins on top of everything else would exacerbate that. So, yeah, signing Hopkins does nothing for the situation we're in that would help. It would do the opposite. Which is probably another reason why we haven't pursued him with any urgency. Edited June 13, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: If they signed Hopkins all of a sudden the narrative is going to immediately be that it was some panic move because of issues with Diggs. We don't have any more money to sign DHop, doing so will not shift the narrative, it will look a lot more like insurance against Diggs issues. Would you blame Beane if this was true? Given the teams Superbowl aspirations, I certainly won't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It would be a smart time to sign DHop if the Bills want to help shift the narrative Hopkins to Beane: Today’s price is not yesterday’s price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Hopkins to Beane: Today’s price is not yesterday’s price. Beane to Hopkins: Enjoy catching passes from Mac Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Hopkins to Beane: Today’s price is not yesterday’s price. Well then he can pound sand. It doesn't seem anyone even wants to pay him close to his original salary demands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 I’ve been on this board since 11am. I must get back to my life. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Is Hopkins available? Check. Check. Over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: Would you blame Beane if this was true? Given the teams Superbowl aspirations, I certainly won't No, I would have no issue signing DHop, would be excited. But I was responding to someone who said Beane has to sign DHop to change the narrative on Diggs and I said it would have the opposite affect 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: How much do you think they need? Von cost the Bills like $5m on the cap last year… They could make it happen should they choose .. The Bills were more willing to pony up the adjustable rate mortgage for Von who had finished the previous season healthy and was Dominant in a Super Bowl run. Whereas Dhop is coming off injuries back to back seasons. I think the Bills are also looking at not having too many bad contracts on the roster to have to avoid dead money. Von’s deal is possibly going to cost the Bills eight figures in dead money by 2025 or 2026. I think you can stomach one of those deals to try to “win now” but you can’t stomach two or more. I think in the end the Bills will try to get Dhop on a suped up Floyd type deal. Get the man a good chunk of money by adding some void years. But I doubt they want a huge multi year commitment like Von. To make such a deal happen probably would need 10 million in space Edited June 14, 2023 by billsfan89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: The Bills were more willing to pony up the adjustable rate mortgage for Von who had finished the previous season healthy and was Dominant in a Super Bowl run. Whereas Dhop is coming off injuries back to back seasons. I think the Bills are also looking at not having too many bad contracts on the roster to have to avoid dead money. Von’s deal is possibly going to cost the Bills eight figures in dead money by 2025 or 2026. I think you can stomach one of those deals to try to “win now” but you can’t stomach two or more I think in the end the Bills will try to get Dhop on a suped up Floyd type deal. Get the man a good chunk of money by adding some void years. But I doubt they want a huge multi year commitment like Von. To make such a deal happen probably would need 10 million in space He also won’t be getting paid like Von $5m is more than enough space for this year and the balance can be pushed into the future… likely he is a 1 year deal like OBJ anyway if he is interested in coming to the Bills… Edit - OBJ counting less than $4M this year .. the rest pushed into “void years”… Edited June 14, 2023 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 At this point I’d rather trade for Evans and some draft capital for Diggs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mango said: At this point I’d rather trade for Evans and some draft capital for Diggs. Diggs is untradeable… too much dead money… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Diggs is untradeable… too much dead money… Right, I know that. But if we are going to operate in a pretend world where we free up $12-25M for Hopkins, why not live in pretend world where we get a similar talent and maybe get some draft picks back as well. The 2023 number is manageable. In fact a swap for Diggs/Morse for Evans gets us close to breaking even. It is the 2024 number that is difficult to navigate. I do think the Bills likely move on in 2024. And to a larger extent, we have been kicking the salary cap can down the road for some time and the Bill is about to come due. We have 30 UFA's next season and are estimated to be $40M over the cap. That situation is almost as much of a factor in moving on from Diggs as Diggs contract is itself. We don't have much freedom to absorb much. For reference 2023 Trade: $13M Dead Cap/2024 $31M Dead Cap 2024 Trade Post June 1: $8.8M/$22M Moving on from Diggs will require us to move on via trade/cut/letting walk in FA a number of other players unfortunately. Tre White is likely near the top of the list of sacrifices (or extension?) to balance the books for Stef. He can save us $10M in 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 6/5/2023 at 4:15 PM, Warriorspikes51 said: I hope Beane did the interview just to trigger Johnny Wawrow Evidently, it was good enough trigger you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 6 hours ago, billsfan89 said: The Bills were more willing to pony up the adjustable rate mortgage for Von who had finished the previous season healthy and was Dominant in a Super Bowl run. Whereas Dhop is coming off injuries back to back seasons. I think the Bills are also looking at not having too many bad contracts on the roster to have to avoid dead money. Von’s deal is possibly going to cost the Bills eight figures in dead money by 2025 or 2026. I think you can stomach one of those deals to try to “win now” but you can’t stomach two or more. I think in the end the Bills will try to get Dhop on a suped up Floyd type deal. Get the man a good chunk of money by adding some void years. But I doubt they want a huge multi year commitment like Von. To make such a deal happen probably would need 10 million in space Please tell me what injury he had last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 11 hours ago, Delete This Account said: Evidently, it was good enough trigger you. John, everyone can see this is you by clicking on your changed username 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 I’ve come to terms with Hopkins being plan A, and when the price went up we pulled the trigger on Floyd instead as the next most impactful way to spend 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 15 hours ago, Mango said: Right, I know that. But if we are going to operate in a pretend world where we free up $12-25M for Hopkins, why not live in pretend world where we get a similar talent and maybe get some draft picks back as well. The 2023 number is manageable. In fact a swap for Diggs/Morse for Evans gets us close to breaking even. It is the 2024 number that is difficult to navigate. I do think the Bills likely move on in 2024. And to a larger extent, we have been kicking the salary cap can down the road for some time and the Bill is about to come due. We have 30 UFA's next season and are estimated to be $40M over the cap. That situation is almost as much of a factor in moving on from Diggs as Diggs contract is itself. We don't have much freedom to absorb much. For reference 2023 Trade: $13M Dead Cap/2024 $31M Dead Cap 2024 Trade Post June 1: $8.8M/$22M Moving on from Diggs will require us to move on via trade/cut/letting walk in FA a number of other players unfortunately. Tre White is likely near the top of the list of sacrifices (or extension?) to balance the books for Stef. He can save us $10M in 2024. You don’t even know what’s going on with Diggs….. yet you’re willing to assume all that dead cap and crush our chances at winning a couple super bowls? Idk man. This is irrational thinking. Unless Diggs says he doesn’t want to be here, he needs to stay put and help figure out how to get over the top. That’s what he wants and he has the focus and determination to find a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: I’ve come to terms with Hopkins being plan A, and when the price went up we pulled the trigger on Floyd instead as the next most impactful way to spend But fans don't have to come to terms with anything. The Bills just have to prove themselves right. I said last offseason that they were making a mistake by not prioritizing offense over defense and letting their WR corps go to camp in the shape it was. Defense is simply the harder side of the ball to predict results accurately from season to season......that's just the reality. You have to remain measured when investing on that side of the ball. It wasn't impossible for the team to ride the defense to a SB championship in 2022........but it really put the onus on McBeane to make it happen........because the predictable aspect that they were more likely to be able to make GREAT was the offense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 118 pages, and I have not contributed one post. But today is the day! Here it is . . . Have we signed him yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: But fans don't have to come to terms with anything. The Bills just have to prove themselves right. I said last offseason that they were making a mistake by not prioritizing offense over defense and letting their WR corps go to camp in the shape it was. Defense is simply the harder side of the ball to predict results accurately from season to season......that's just the reality. You have to remain measured when investing on that side of the ball. It wasn't impossible for the team to ride the defense to a SB championship in 2022........but it really put the onus on McBeane to make it happen........because the predictable aspect that they were more likely to be able to make GREAT was the offense. Why would you try to win with defense when you have Josh Allen? Just stupid. Chiefs are so much better-managed than we are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Why would you try to win with defense when you have Josh Allen? Just stupid. Chiefs are so much better-managed than we are. I wouldn’t be surprised if the process lingers on (if he doesn’t sign with NE not NAS) that we bring him in for a visit. He still would make a ton of sense for Buffalo if his price tag is reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, CSBill said: 118 pages, and I have not contributed one post. But today is the day! Here it is . . . Have we signed him yet? yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: John, everyone can see this is you by clicking on your changed username JUNE 5 john wawrow Delete This Account NOVEMBER 16, 2022 john wawrow john wawrow some of us choose not to hide who we really are 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: JUNE 5 john wawrow Delete This Account NOVEMBER 16, 2022 john wawrow john wawrow some of us choose not to hide who we really are LOL THIS. IS. AMAZING @Warriorspikes51nice detective work, maybe he'll ask you how to sniff out information before he storms off 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeavercreekBillsFan Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Because the HC is a defensive HC. Defense will always be the priority with him around. Unfortunately so. Can’t wait to watch Spencer Brown get josh murdered again this year. Also looking fwd to teams doubling Diggs since they know Gabe can only run to routes and has unreliable hands. FUN STUFF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 minute ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said: Unfortunately so. Can’t wait to watch Spencer Brown get josh murdered again this year. Also looking fwd to teams doubling Diggs since they know Gabe can only run to routes and has unreliable hands. FUN STUFF! Hopefully Kincaid can have a big impact this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: But fans don't have to come to terms with anything. The Bills just have to prove themselves right. I said last offseason that they were making a mistake by not prioritizing offense over defense and letting their WR corps go to camp in the shape it was. Defense is simply the harder side of the ball to predict results accurately from season to season......that's just the reality. You have to remain measured when investing on that side of the ball. It wasn't impossible for the team to ride the defense to a SB championship in 2022........but it really put the onus on McBeane to make it happen........because the predictable aspect that they were more likely to be able to make GREAT was the offense. I don’t disagree- I just think it’s the reality of where we are, with the team likely having one splash move left coming out of the draft and the Hopkins situation turning on them. I suspect he was plan an and Floyd was plan b. if there’s anything that my gut puts as a disclaimer on the defense comments - I think a reliably impactful pass rush is about the best you can hope for an ROI with. A sack or pressure are about the only way to get the ball back from an elite offense, so in a shootout, I’ll take pass rushers if investing. But even that’s a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I don’t disagree- I just think it’s the reality of where we are, with the team likely having one splash move left coming out of the draft and the Hopkins situation turning on them. I suspect he was plan an and Floyd was plan b. if there’s anything that my gut puts as a disclaimer on the defense comments - I think a reliably impactful pass rush is about the best you can hope for an ROI with. A sack or pressure are about the only way to get the ball back from an elite offense, so in a shootout, I’ll take pass rushers if investing. But even that’s a challenge. I don't disagree necessarily but they didn't get to a last splash before all of the other moves they made the past 2 offseasons. Coming to terms with their moves doesn't seem necessary. We can enjoy the season while not being very satisfied by the personnel choices they've made. Coming to terms with it is almost like agreeing to agree with said choices. I don't need to go there, personally. They just need to show us the baby after all that laboring to stack the roster how they felt was best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: John, everyone can see this is you by clicking on your changed username Oh, no. I’ve been found out. Heavens to Betsy. I. Don’t. Care. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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