Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[PrimeTime101]

6 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

DeAndre Hopkins has suffered at least fifteen recorded injuries in his nine-year NFL career, that might be it.

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/deandre-hopkins/6679

 

he is still considered low risk do to when most of them happened. 

[ProcessTruster]

In today's National (Flag) Football League where you can't touch receivers or QBs , can't have enough WRs.  So go get him.  What the heck, if for no other reason, so KC doesn't get him

[pocoboy]

6 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Good question.  Without Jones, no chance and they letting their best pass rusher frank Clark leave 

 

Buf is sooooo close. 

That Bengals game was an outlier

We played 17 other games , tough opponents and lost 3 games by a combined 8 points 

 

It would have been interesting to see a Bills @ Bengals matchup if the originally-scheduled game had gone the way it was angling before Hamlin's episode. In 2021 they had the Colts home game where they just entered in a fog and never emerged. The away Bengals game may have been that shakeup they needed. But with everything that transpired I don't feel they ever really got into the meat of the situation - they weren't ready.

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 hours ago, Chaos said:

People seem to be overthinking the "perennial contender" concept.  With a 14 team playoffs, the Bills are perenial contenders as long as Josh Allen is the QB, and he is healthy.  You put him on any of about 24 rosters in the league and about the same number of coaches, and it would be shocking if his team didn't make the playoffs. 

 

Similarly, you put a Derek Carr clone on the Bills with this exact same roster, and the exact same coaching staff, and no one would expect them to make the playoffs this year (Frankly, many would see them as battling to stay out of the AFC east basement with the patriots).    Josh Allen having Dan Marino's career results would be horribly disappointing.  Beane needs to figure out how to get Allen to the Super Bowl.  

Beane has gotten Allen one of the top WRs in the NFL in Diggs. Just spent a 1st round pick on a promising weapon out of the slot. As much as people on this board refuse it...they have a solid #2 WR in Davis (note I said 2 NOT a 1A like Higgins that everyone wished Davis could be.) Knox is a solid target. If Allen is as great as we like to say he is....how much help does he need?

 

Mahomes just won a SB with JuJu, Mecole Hardman (who was out for the SB) and Toney who pulls a hammy getting out of bed in the morning. And yes, he does have Kelce, but he's akin to Diggs for them. 

 

The real issue isn't weapons. It's how the weapons are used. The lack of scheming guys open. Refusal to use a running game when we play half of our games in high wind, freezing temps, rain or snow. They build a modern offense to play in old school football weather and we saw what happens against the Bengals when that happens. 

 

 

[TheWeatherMan]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/29/deandre-hopkins-has-not-yet-been-officially-released/

 

Very Interesting!  Maybe a low draft pick from the Bills and the Cardinals taking on a huge chunk of cap would be the most beneficial for both parties.  We will find out at 16:00! 

[Saint Doug]

35 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/29/deandre-hopkins-has-not-yet-been-officially-released/

 

Very Interesting!  Maybe a low draft pick from the Bills and the Cardinals taking on a huge chunk of cap would be the most beneficial for both parties.  We will find out at 16:00! 

I don’t think it’s the compensation that held this trade up. It’s his contract. It’s just not tradable. He needs to be released so a reasonable contract can be negotiated. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 hours ago, Special K said:

Come back at 4pm. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Davis is not a solid #2. 

Mmkay

[BuffaloBillyG]

49 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

a couple things

 

Mahomes is better than Allen. Nothin wrong with that, Mahomes is better than everyone but if he’s able to win the SB with average WRs it doesn’t mean Allen can replicate that

 

Secondly there are multiple ways to win in this league. Yeah, you can out scheme them but look at this staff. Dorsey is a bum and McDermott is a defensive coach, it’s just not gonna happen. 
 

the only chance before this window is closed is to overwealm opponents with talented weapons like Hopkins and Diggs

 

 

While I agree with there being multiple ways to win in the NFL...you kind of prove my point a bit. You can get all the shiny new toys for the offense you want. If you don't have an offensive mind to gameplan, scheme guys open and use those weapons you're spending a ton of money for nothing. 

 

The weapons we have now are more than capable of production at a high level. Last year there were a few issues with the offense that I believe held back Dorsey. They have been addressed in my opinion. It's sink or swim time for Mr. Dorsey for sure. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Just curious… Happ I think mentioned his source said we made an offer to Hopkins..  Can we do that if he actually hasn’t been released…

[Dr. Who]

31 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Mmkay

I think he's a low end 2. I know you and Shaw and various others judge differently. At best, he is adequate and I don't think he's consistent enough to merit that ascription. He would thrive as a third option who catches the long ball.

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I think he's a low end 2. I know you and Shaw and various others judge differently. At best, he is adequate and I don't think he's consistent enough to merit that ascription. He would thrive as a third option who catches the long ball.

 

I think there would be a very good chance he has a monster season. If the Bills get Hopkins, then every team will have their two top corners covering him and Diggs. Davis would win most of his matchups against CB #3. It would also open everything up for everybody else as well. That is what makes Burrow and the Bengals so hard to stop with Chase, Boyd, Higgins.

[Malazan]

11 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I think there would be a very good chance he has a monster season. If the Bills get Hopkins, then every team will have their two top corners covering him and Diggs. Davis would win most of his matchups against CB #3. It would also open everything up for everybody else as well. That is what makes Burrow and the Bengals so hard to stop with Chase, Boyd, Higgins.

 

Davis problem hasn't been winning matchups.. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

a couple things

 

Mahomes is better than Allen. Nothin wrong with that, Mahomes is better than everyone but if he’s able to win the SB with average WRs it doesn’t mean Allen can replicate that

 

Secondly there are multiple ways to win in this league. Yeah, you can out scheme them but look at this staff. Dorsey is a bum and McDermott is a defensive coach, it’s just not gonna happen. 
 

the only chance before this window is closed is to overwealm opponents with talented weapons like Hopkins and Diggs

 

 

 

He has Travis Kelce.  A dominant TE like Kelce is every bit as effective as a WR.  

 

We were 3rd in the NFL in scoring with a bum?  Did we overwhelm our opponents with talented weapons?

[4merper4mer]

Other thread locked at 282 pages and there is a rule against combining page totals.  

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

Davis problem hasn't been winning matchups.. 

He does well once he gets going. He's not that good with short and intermediate routes -- but he also has drops when he is wide open.

[JGMcD2]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He has Travis Kelce.  A dominant TE like Kelce is every bit as effective as a WR.  

 

We were 3rd in the NFL in scoring with a bum?  Did we overwhelm our opponents with talented weapons?

Oh boy!! Start the Merry-Go-Round up! 
 

The reply will go a little something like this!

 

SUNY: “Neither. It’s because Josh Allen has to constantly step up and make something out of absolutely nothing. He has no talent outside of Diggs and no help from Dorsey.” 
 

ROYALE: “Wait, so you’re saying Josh Allen has to carry his offense with subpar skill players and play calling? That means he’s at a disadvantage to Mahomes and it can be argued Allen is asked to do more and possibly even better.”

 

SUNY: “That’s not what I said. Mahomes is just a better QB. Talent and playing calling don’t matter at all!” 

Edited May 30, 2023 by JGMcD2

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He has Travis Kelce.  A dominant TE like Kelce is every bit as effective as a WR.  

 

We were 3rd in the NFL in scoring with a bum?  Did we overwhelm our opponents with talented weapons?

Notice how the folks so quick to declare Mahoomes better then Allen because he won this last Super Bowl with skill players just a bit more talented then Allen's ignore the Chiefs MUCH BETTER offensive line.

 

When I look at Mahomes versus Allen there are only 2 things I can say with certainty:

 

1) They are both elite and among the top 3 QB's in the NFL and both will be in the HOF if they maintain this level of play for another decade.

 

2)  Mahomes has achieved more then Allen primarily due to significant advantages in the offensive personnel surrounding him over the last 5 years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Notice how the folks so quick to declare Mahoomes better then Allen because he won this last Super Bowl with skill players just a bit more talented then Allen's ignore the Chiefs MUCH BETTER offensive line.

 

When I look at Mahomes versus Allen there are only 2 things I can say with certainty:

 

1) They are both elite and among the top 3 QB's in the NFL and both will be in the HOF if they maintain this level of play for another decade.

 

2)  Mahomes has achieved more then Allen primarily due to significant advantages in the offensive personnel surrounding him over the last 5 years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Andy Reid calling plays.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

Oh boy!! Start the Merry-Go-Round up! 
 

The reply will go a little something like this!

 

SUNY: “Neither. It’s because Josh Allen has to constantly step up and make something out of absolutely nothing. He has no talent outside of Diggs and no help from Dorsey.” 
 

ROYALE: “Wait, so you’re saying Josh Allen has to carry his offense with subpar skill players and play calling? That means he’s at a disadvantage to Mahomes and it can be argued Allen is better.”

 

SUNY: “That’s not what I said. Mahomes is just a better QB. Talent and playing calling don’t matter at all!” 

 

Andy Reid has Mahomes, Kelce and a dominant offensive line but can only score .8 more points per game than Dorsey without an offensive line and no outside talent outside of Diggs?  It's actually really impressive.

 

[JGMcD2]

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

overwhelmed a lot of the opponents yes. The Bears and the Browns of world couldn't keep up with the talent.

 

But when met with opponents of similar talent Dorsey was routinely outcoached and downright embarrassed at home in the snow against Cincy

 

 

What about the Chiefs game on the road at Arrowhead? What did Dorsey do there? 
 

I can single out individual instances too!!! 

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

just keepin it real cause your WGR & your Buffalo News aint gonna tell that story cause they are under Pegula's thumb. What I dont get is why posters here dont want to keep it real and accept any criticism

Because you don’t provide anything of substance.

 

You call someone “a bum” with nothing else unique included. That’s not contributing to any sort of conversation… 

Edited May 30, 2023 by JGMcD2

[Augie]

13 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Bills had lost 2 of the prior 3 games before Von tore his ACL, Allen had been playing awful (4 TDs and 5 INT in previous four games before Von tore ACL), and Zach Wilson even beat us.

 

Von’s injury didn't change the season. It’s just a convenient excuse.

 

To be fair I almost fell into that same excuse trap, until I really analyzed the season. When you do so, you realize that injuries didn’t derail our season. We were simply not good enough, but I do like what Beane did this off-season. 

 

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion, but just remember that that’s exactly what it is. Nothing more. We got no pressure on the QB after we lost Von. Our back ups were not good enough, that was clear. 

[JGMcD2]

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

That was the single best game Dorsey called all year. Singletary had his highest amount of carries all season.

 

Where did that Offensive Coordinator go the rest of the season when it mattered more

 

oh and Singletary is a Texan now.   gee I wonder why

 

 

 

 

 

Right… you pointed out his single worst game all year and I pointed out his single best. 
 

Where did he go the rest of the season? 3rd in scoring in the NFL. 
 

Not sure I understand the Singletary point at the end there… just more of your erratic nonsensical posting? 

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

overwhelmed a lot of the opponents yes. The Bears and the Browns of world couldn't keep up with the talent.

 

But when met with opponents of similar talent Dorsey was routinely outcoached and downright embarrassed at home in the snow against Cincy.

 

just keepin it real cause your WGR & your Buffalo News aint gonna tell that story cause they are under Pegula's thumb. What I dont get is why posters here dont want to keep it real and accept any criticism

 

 

 

 

 

Did we win only two games last year?

[MasterStrategist]

9 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

That was the single best game Dorsey called all year. Singletary had his highest amount of carries all season.

 

Where did that Offensive Coordinator go the rest of the season when it mattered more

 

oh and Singletary is a Texan now.   gee I wonder why

 

 

 

 

 

We actually did run the ball, and that 2nd half of season offense wasn't neat as bad as many want to point out.  

 

See my prior post: 

 

 

Also, there's a lot of ways to win on offense in the NFL, most fans understand that. 

 

But the issue now, is that Cincy has a 1a/1b situation at WR and many are envious/think that's the necessity.  It's like the hot new fad, everyone needs to copy that model.

 

While OTOH, KC just won a SB with similar weapons to what we have now, BUT didn't have LY. 

 

Biggest addition is a guy who can potentially dominate in the middle of the field, in Kincaid.  He's not going to be 1b to start the season, but I could see him growing into that role by EOY. 

 

Also, we added multiple IOL that should upgrade our situation.

 

Dorsey has a lot of pressure to succeed, but I believe in him.  Many ppl wrote off Daboll too.  Our offense will be a "pick your poison" throughtout the season, and it will be Dorseys job to scheme up the best matchups week to week.  Not many teams are matching up with our current personnel, even without Dhop.

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

What is difficult for you to understand? 

 

As far as Singletary goes, all he did was average nearly 5 yards per carry. He probably wants to go somewhere where he gets more than 6 carries like he did in the snow against Cincinnati. 

 

He got 17 at KC and it was the highest of the season, that's a pathetic high but it happened to be Dorsey's best game. Gee idk, how about giving the kid 20 carries especially when the weather is bad and/or the QB is hurting

 

Singletary signed a 1 year/$1.5 million dollar contract by the Texans.  Definitely a hot commodity on the open market.

 

Our best offensive output is not the 24 points against the Chiefs lol.  How much are you going to reach?

Edited May 30, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[Einstein]

23 minutes ago, Augie said:

We got no pressure on the QB after we lost Von.

 

To be clear, i’m not saying losing Von didn’t hurt.

 

I’m just acknowledging that we were spiraling (and showing huge empty spots in our armor), before he went down.

[What a Tuel]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

To be clear, i’m not saying losing Von didn’t hurt.

 

I’m just acknowledging that we were spiraling (and showing huge empty spots in our armor), before he went down.

 

I still don't understand what this means. Struggling in a game or having a close game does not mean spiraling. I gave you the Super Bowl Champs who had many close games last year including nearly losing the #1 seed in a run to OT against the Texans.

 

If you are looking for the Bills to dominate all 20 games a year or its spiraling then keep dreaming because you are looking to be the greatest team of all time.

 

Even the 1972 dolphins had several close games and near misses.

[John from Riverside]

19 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

To be clear, i’m not saying losing Von didn’t hurt.

 

I’m just acknowledging that we were spiraling (and showing huge empty spots in our armor), before he went down.

Yeah, that might have been due to the injuries of which we had a ton

[beebe]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Notice how the folks so quick to declare Mahoomes better then Allen because he won this last Super Bowl with skill players just a bit more talented then Allen's ignore the Chiefs MUCH BETTER offensive line.

 

When I look at Mahomes versus Allen there are only 2 things I can say with certainty:

 

1) They are both elite and among the top 3 QB's in the NFL and both will be in the HOF if they maintain this level of play for another decade.

 

2)  Mahomes has achieved more then Allen primarily due to significant advantages in the offensive personnel surrounding him over the last 5 years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Josh Allen's defenses (per FootballOutsiders DVOA):

 

4th, 1st, 12th, 7th, 2nd. Cumulatively, that's the best defense in the league over the last five years. 

 

Mahome's defenses:

 

17th, 24th, 22nd, 14th, 27th.

 

The Chiefs have had better overall offensive talent, and better coaching on offense. But Mahomes' margin for error has been significantly less because KC's defense has been mostly trash for his entire tenure. That being said, KC's defense on paper looks to be the best of the Mahomes era in 2023. 

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, beebe said:

 

Josh Allen's defenses (per FootballOutsiders DVOA):

 

4th, 1st, 12th, 7th, 2nd. Cumulatively, that's the best defense in the league over the last five years. 

 

Mahome's defenses:

 

17th, 24th, 22nd, 14th, 27th.

 

The Chiefs have had better overall offensive talent, and better coaching on offense. But Mahomes' margin for error has been significantly less because KC's defense has been mostly trash for his entire tenure. That being said, KC's defense on paper looks to be the best of the Mahomes era in 2023. 

 Buffalo has had the more consistent defenses.  In a vacuum Kc has been able to out perform Buffalo in the playoffs by being more multiple and more aggressive.  The Leslie Frazier Sean Mcdermott Defense is similar to the pre Mahomes Andy Reid offense.  Great out the gates and fizzles down the stretch in playoffs. Great in a week by week league but in a win or go home scenario they become predictable in their conservative nature.  Is this a Leslie Frazier play calling tendency or a Mcdermott tendency.  We are going to find out.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

 Buffalo has had the more consistent defenses.  In a vacuum Kc has been able to out perform Buffalo in the playoffs by being more multiple and more aggressive.  The Leslie Frazier Sean Mcdermott Defense is similar to the pre Mahomes Andy Reid offense.  Great out the gates and fizzles down the stretch in playoffs. Great in a week by week league but in a win or go home scenario they become predictable in their conservative nature.  Is this a Leslie Frazier play calling tendency or a Mcdermott tendency.  We are going to find out.  

KC’s pass rushers step up in the playoffs, the Bills pass rushers don’t. Simple as that. You can be a lot more aggressive when the pass rush is getting home.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

 Buffalo has had the more consistent defenses.  In a vacuum Kc has been able to out perform Buffalo in the playoffs by being more multiple and more aggressive.  The Leslie Frazier Sean Mcdermott Defense is similar to the pre Mahomes Andy Reid offense.  Great out the gates and fizzles down the stretch in playoffs. Great in a week by week league but in a win or go home scenario they become predictable in their conservative nature.  Is this a Leslie Frazier play calling tendency or a Mcdermott tendency.  We are going to find out.  

 

 

Excellent point.   Being able to broadly adapt the defense to the opponent has been key for both KC and Cinci being able to advance in the playoffs despite otherwise inferior personnel to the Bills while the Bills D has looked like trash in their 4 playoff exits.   The Bills larger issue has been not being better around Josh Allen on offense.........but the lack of flexibility on defense has undermined the massive investments they have made on that side of the ball.   

[Augie]

47 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

To be clear, i’m not saying losing Von didn’t hurt.

 

I’m just acknowledging that we were spiraling (and showing huge empty spots in our armor), before he went down.

 

But we sure did have a strong showing on the IR list! Might these be related? Hmmmmm…..we might be on to something! 

[wppete]

Anything yet? 

[pocoboy]

38 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

To be clear, i’m not saying losing Von didn’t hurt.

 

I’m just acknowledging that we were spiraling (and showing huge empty spots in our armor), before he went down.

 

The 2nd half of Green Bay was instructive to Salah. That laid the blueprint for the Jets game, and ultimately Allen's elbow. I tend to believe that they would have come through all of that better had Daboll still been the OC. It's also a strong likelihood that our offensive line was ill-equipped to cope with the kind of aggressive techniques needed to be a heavier run offense. 

[Irv]

Saw on Bills Mafia Facebook page they had an alleged picture of Hopkins leaving a Wegmans.  Wasn't clear where.    

[CincyBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

Josh Allen's defenses (per FootballOutsiders DVOA):

 

4th, 1st, 12th, 7th, 2nd. Cumulatively, that's the best defense in the league over the last five years. 

 

Mahome's defenses:

 

17th, 24th, 22nd, 14th, 27th.

 

The Chiefs have had better overall offensive talent, and better coaching on offense. But Mahomes' margin for error has been significantly less because KC's defense has been mostly trash for his entire tenure. That being said, KC's defense on paper looks to be the best of the Mahomes era in 2023. 

This is a great example of where stats can be very misleading.  The Bills have had a very good & consistent regular season defense that mostly padded its stats at the expense of bad QB's and weak offenses. In contrast the Defense has mostly struggled against good offenses in the regular season and particularly in the playoffs. 

 

IMO the KC defense is designed to compliment their offense.  It isn't built to shut teams down on the stat line but to force 3 & outs and TO's that give the potent Chiefs O more possessions.

 

There is only one playoff game in the last 4 years that the defense could be said to have won the game and that was against Baltimore.  In every other game except NE, and the O gets the credit for that win, the D has played poorly.  This is 6 out of 8 playoff games which is startling given how well the D plays in the regular season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

52% catch percentage… no. Routine balls dropped game in and game out.  He’s not a reliable #2 receiver…. He would need to have a very unlikely consistent year in 2023 for him to become that reliable #2… and yes, based on his three year career to this point, it is unlikely.

836 yards. 7 TDs. 15 games. Those are solid #2 numbers. Does need to be more consistent. Does need to haul in more passes thrown his way. But I can cherry pick a stat or 2 as well. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

 

2 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

The 2nd half of Green Bay was instructive to Salah. That laid the blueprint for the Jets game, and ultimately Allen's elbow. I tend to believe that they would have come through all of that better had Daboll still been the OC. It's also a strong likelihood that our offensive line was ill-equipped to cope with the kind of aggressive techniques needed to be a heavier run offense. 

I agree about Daboll.  Under Dorsey the play calling was predictable and easy to anticipate based on personnel and formation.  Such as when Diggs came to the sideline the play call was a run almost every time time.  What opposition DC or analytics guy isn't going to notice that?  I expect Dorsey's learned and will make the necessary adjustments to disguise things better.