This should be fun. Mike Clay:

[Chicken Boo]

It's about right.

 

Kudos to Cincinnati for drafting Higgins, turning around the following season, staying true to their board, and drafting Chase.  

 

Chances are slim to none the powers that be here would have done the same.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[Augie]

55 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

At least we are better than KC at something..

 

 

Don’t forget tailgating. I know, them’s serious words, there! Oh, and wings of course. I bet those heathens have never even heard of beef on weck!!! 

 

It must be such a sad life. They need those trophies to sleep at night. 

 

Yep, I’m stickin’ with that! 

[jaybills]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What was it last year? It’s hilarious how much people loved Davis last year and now he’s a bum. 
 

pretty good list. Washington is too high. Chicago did a great job remaking a trash group. Jags could be higher.
 

Wonder how some bills fans will discount Mahomes if he does awesome wirh this group (Rice could be a stud).

Davis was nursing a foot injury all year that most people don't bring up or were in the know, but he didn't perform that well last year, as well. 

[Gugny]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

You know, I’ve always said that we should have drafted DK Metcalf!

[DCofNC]

I’m surprised the Bills are that high, basically saying they have Diggs over Kupp. 

[MJS]

Commanders are too high.

[Matt_In_NH]

I look at it this way.  Would you trade the bills receivers for the commanders broncos or bears receivers?  There are more too.  I get number two and three might be weaker than we want but I will take the bills group just for Diggs.  A few number twos does not outweigh one of the best in the league.  

 

[Roundybout]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Hard to argue against the idea that the Bills are not in the top 10.  As much as I love Diggs he disappears at times. 

Yea I mean when your other options aren’t much of a threat it’s easy to quadruple team him. 

[Mr. WEO]

Vegas top 10?  nah.

 

No way Ravens should be ahead of Bills.

35 minutes ago, Gugny said:

You know, I’ve always said that we should have drafted DK Metcalf!

 

One does not take a DK Metcalf...when there is a Cody Ford still on the board.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, jaybills said:

Davis was nursing a foot injury all year that most people don't bring up or were in the know, but he didn't perform that well last year, as well. 

I’m still struggling to understand how one’s bad ankle prevents his hands from catching perfectly thrown passes. 

[BarleyNY]

31 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I look at it this way.  Would you trade the bills receivers for the commanders broncos or bears receivers?  There are more too.  I get number two and three might be weaker than we want but I will take the bills group just for Diggs.  A few number twos does not outweigh one of the best in the league.  

 

 

Of the four you mention I’d take the Commanders WR corps. I have the Bills comfortably second ahead of Denver and then Chicago. Diggs is the best WR on any of the four teams, but McLaurin is the second. And he’s very good. Washington has the advantage at WR2 and WR3. Dotson and Samuel are both better receivers than Davis and Harty is far behind all of them. Washington’s problem hasn't been their WRs, it’s been their QBs. 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, boyst said:

If anyone can be insulted it's the Jags. 

Agreed!! They have a nice WR room with Ridley back. 

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Diggs........a top end #3 in Gabe..........and a bunch of dudes WE like because we expect the upside........but in reality.......extremely low floors and even lower pedigrees.

 

Their ranking is fair, IMO.........they certainly wouldn't be in a top 20.   McBeane have let their fastball go to hell the past couple seasons.   

 

Hopefully Kincaid becomes good enough to make the actual "WR" room much less important.

With Diggs as a top 5ish number 1 and Gabe as a top halfish number 2, I have them higher than 20. They’re somewhere closer to 12-15 in my opinion. I haven’t done my own rankings but they feel closer to the middle of the league than the bottom 3rd. Again, it isn’t a huge gripe.

[1ManRaid]

I think we're too low, but I understand that our ranking is largely based on a ranker's subjective opinion on how good Davis is/will be.  This guy clearly has a low opinion of him.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Think the Cowboys, Commanders, 49ers, Jags, Bears and Jets are too high.

 

Bills, Saints, Ravens, Colts and Lions too low.

 

I agree and I also think AZ Cards are too high.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Agreed!! They have a nice WR room with Ridley back. 

With Diggs as a top 5ish number 1 and Gabe as a top halfish number 2, I have them higher than 20. They’re somewhere closer to 12-15 in my opinion. I haven’t done my own rankings but they feel closer to the middle of the league than the bottom 3rd. Again, it isn’t a huge gripe.

 

 

Gabe wasn't a top half WR2 last year, IMO.   What his counting stats giveth his terrible underlying metrics taketh away.  He hasn't even proven that he's cut out for WR2 at this point.      

 

He's a specialist like Marquez Valdes-Scantling.......... and when you go from a star in Diggs to a top-end specialist WR3 and then there is no WR4 at all.........that's two big holes in the middle of your WR corps.   With the abundance of talent added to the league by many strong recent WR drafts there aren't many teams with 2 holes like that in the top 4.

 

I am sure the Bills are counting on Allen elevating low pedigree nobodies like Shakir, Harty and Sherfield........and he might.........but for the purposes of ranking groups on sheer talent I think they rank in the 20's at this point.    I thought they had already fallen to that 12-15 range in 2021 when they still had Covid Beasley and Ol'manuel Sanders and that group was much more established than this one.   They had Gabe in that 3-4 range where he gets good matchups.    2020 they were a top 3 unit.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I agree with top 10 teams but I would probably have Seattle closer to 5th but still top 10. 

I would put Buffalo at 11 just ahead of the Jets. Diggs is still elite and Davis is very very good.

I would put Jets at 12.

I would bump Cleveland up to 16. Cooper is not elite but Peoples-Jones is very good.

Pittsburgh would be next. 

Jags and Baltimore seem high to me but looks like others on the board like the Jags

 

 

[BBFL]

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, jaybills said:

Davis was nursing a foot injury all year that most people don't bring up or were in the know, but he didn't perform that well last year, as well. 

Don't understand the Davis hate on this board. 7TD and 17.5 YPC for almost 850 yards.  I get the drops are an issue but how much more do you want our of a #2 WR?  

[JerseyBills]

5 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Way too much stock in rookies.

I don't like this list at all

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Don't understand the Davis hate on this board. 7TD and 17.5 YPC for almost 850 yards.  I get the drops are an issue but how much more do you want our of a #2 WR?  

I love Gabe and I agree with you!  But I think the ankle excuse is weak.  He misses some catchable passes, but he’s also had a lot of inaccurate passes thrown his way. In short, I’m glad we have him and I think he’s a solid #2 (absolutely NO pun intended)!

[Big Turk]

Maybe a few spots too low, but pretty fair. Shows how good Allen is. What do you think Burrow or Hurts would do with the 20th ranked WR corp?

[Sierra Foothills]

10 hours ago, corta765 said:

Why are people upset? This is pretty accurate.

Heading into last year the unit had more unknown but positive feelings on the WR corp as Gabe looked unreal in the post season ready to take the next step and McKenzie had some big games that also feel that way plus Crowder/Shakir were thought to be ready for the slot.

 

Now we unfortunately know Gabe isn't a true WR2 and more a WR3 type guy, they realllyyy need a slot guy with Beasley gone but they are expecting that from Kincaid, and Shakir while showing promise needs to do more and the only other additions are lower intrigue FA guys. Their certainly not bad, but after Diggs they currently have a lot of WR3/4/5 esq guys and they need to hope someone elevates to a WR2 spot or the group itself elevates.

 

Who's upset?

 

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

I’m still struggling to understand how one’s bad ankle prevents his hands from catching perfectly thrown passes. 

 

In the second half of last year the Buffalo News reported that Davis was playing through a thumb injury... FWIW.

 

[Beck Water]

 

10 hours ago, Heavy Kevi said:

I would prob rank us 5 or so spots higher, but I'm not going to argue.

 

Gabe had an ok year, but many were expecting a meteoric rise and that just plain did not happen.

 

The new TE isn't going to move the needle in WR rankings.

 

We've got some intriguing young players but none that have shown anything amazing just yet

 

The thing about KC's ranking is that their best receiver is not a WR but a TE

The Bills would like to move in the direction of one of our top 3 WR being a TE I believe.  That's what the draft implies.

[Mr. WEO]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Think the Cowboys, Commanders, 49ers, Jags, Bears and Jets are too high.

 

Bills, Saints, Ravens, Colts and Lions too low.

 

 

 

Why the Ravens?

[machine gun kelly]

15 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

A top WR in receptions and yards a couple years in a row is 20th?

 

Im out.  A guy with two ACL’s (OBJ) and out of the league all last year is higher than Diggs.

 

I saw enough.  I’ll agree with several above Diggs, but not even too 10.  Moron.

[ALF]

A team's total receiving yards tell a more accurate story.

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/offense/receiving/2022/reg/all

Edited May 9, 2023 by ALF

[GunnerBill]

42 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why the Ravens?

 

Because while their top end might not be as strong as others, question mark on OBJ given he hasn't played for a year, I think they have 4 vet guys who can all play in the league. It's a bit like the Chiefs group from last season. And then Flowers who adds a bit of juice. I think they are deep even without an elite guy. 

[eball]

The Bills are middle of the pack (i.e., anywhere from 12-20).  Anyone who suggests they should be higher is a homer, and anyone who suggests they should be lower is a contrarian or has an axe to grind.

 

[SoCal Deek]

Seems like a bit of a name recognition beauty contest to me. The Bills were in the Top Six in passing yardage last year (assuming they’d played all 17 games). SOMEBODY must be catching those passes….no? 

[PBF81]

17 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Hard to argue against the idea that the Bills are not in the top 10.  As much as I love Diggs he disappears at times. 

 

Most notably in the playoffs.  

 

 

[PBF81]

15 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

IF we all agree with this list (it's probably not too far off), it just goes to show now much this team relays on Josh. 

 

And while unpopular, how bad our drafts have been.  I mean where do most people think that Cincy for example got their WRs.  

[PBF81]

14 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

Where is the lie?  I could move Buffalo up to like 16 because Diggs is great but after him it's a wasteland.

 

This place cracks me up, and this is absolutely no reflection on you, just speaking generally.  You just seem to mimic the more-than-not consensus on this perfectly.  But after we signed Harty & Sherfield I argued that those signings wouldn't move the needle and propel us upward in our receivers and took a rash for it.   ... And now this thread.  LOL  That's the best thing about this place, it never gets boring, even if it is schizophrenic.   

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because while their top end might not be as strong as others, question mark on OBJ given he hasn't played for a year, I think they have 4 vet guys who can all play in the league. It's a bit like the Chiefs group from last season. And then Flowers who adds a bit of juice. I think they are deep even without an elite guy. 

 

Well the difference is the Chiefs have Mahomes making use of a group like that and the Ravens have Jackson (when he's able).  OBJ was putting up Gabe Davis stats in the season before he again shredded his knee.  Other than him, they didn't have a WR over 500 yards last year.  Adding Agholor, who is solidly in the journeyman phase of his career doesn't move the needle.  Sure, they have a few guys who can play in the league--but I wouldn't put them above the Bills crew as it is going into the season.  

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Well the difference is the Chiefs have Mahomes making use of a group like that and the Ravens have Jackson (when he's able).  OBJ was putting up Gabe Davis stats in the season before he again shredded his knee.  Other than him, they didn't have a WR over 500 yards last year.  Adding Agholor, who is solidly in the journeyman phase of his career doesn't move the needle.  Sure, they have a few guys who can play in the league--but I wouldn't put them above the Bills crew as it is going into the season.  

 

I wouldn't put them above the Bills either. But I'd move them up above some of those teams I think are too high. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

13 hours ago, Gugny said:

I love Gabe and I agree with you!  But I think the ankle excuse is weak.  He misses some catchable passes, but he’s also had a lot of inaccurate passes thrown his way. In short, I’m glad we have him and I think he’s a solid #2 (absolutely NO pun intended)!

Agree. Ankle is no excuse. What's odd is he makes some really difficult sideline catches and then misses a few easy ones. Hopefully he cleans that up this year 

Still doubt they can afford him. 

Four years of decent production on a cheap contract followed by a decent comp pick is good value. 

[Gugny]

31 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Agree. Ankle is no excuse. What's odd is he makes some really difficult sideline catches and then misses a few easy ones. Hopefully he cleans that up this year 

Still doubt they can afford him. 

Four years of decent production on a cheap contract followed by a decent comp pick is good value. 

Yup. Knox had a similar first couple years, re: dropping easy ones and catching difficult ones - and he was able to improve. Hopefully Gabe can, too. 

[Kaenon]

The hate on Gabe on this forum is ridiculous.

 

How many other notably drafted WRs by the Bills went on to record 1950+ yards and 20 TDs in their first 3 seasons?

 

(4th) A. Reed? Yes on yards (2128), no on TDs (16)

(1st) Moulds? No (1942 yards, 11 TDs)

Price? Yes on yards (2050), no on TDs (13)

(2nd) J. Reed? No

(1st) Evans? Yes on yards (2878), and yes on TDs (24)

(2nd) Parrish? No 

(2nd) Hardy? No 

(7th) S. Johnson? No

(3rd) TJ Graham? No

(2nd) Woods? No

(3rd) Goodwin? No

(2 1sts) Watkins? Yes on yards (2459), no on TDs (17)

(2nd) Z. Jones? No

 

Statistically speaking, Davis's first 3 seasons are among the best of recent, modern-era NFL WRs drafted by the Buffalo Bills.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 5/8/2023 at 11:59 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

What was it last year? It’s hilarious how much people loved Davis last year and now he’s a bum. 
 

pretty good list. Washington is too high. Chicago did a great job remaking a trash group. Jags could be higher.
 

Wonder how some bills fans will discount Mahomes if he does awesome wirh this group (Rice could be a stud).

Agree...Commanders, Bears and Saints way too high.  Ravens too low. We should be around 16-17?  Hopefully Gabe plays like a man possessed and Shakir/Harty step up. Now if you had a TE duo ranking, we'd probably be top 3 or higher. 

[GoBills808]

13 hours ago, Kaenon said:

The hate on Gabe on this forum is ridiculous.

 

How many other notably drafted WRs by the Bills went on to record 1950+ yards and 20 TDs in their first 3 seasons?

 

(4th) A. Reed? Yes on yards (2128), no on TDs (16)

(1st) Moulds? No (1942 yards, 11 TDs)

Price? Yes on yards (2050), no on TDs (13)

(2nd) J. Reed? No

(1st) Evans? Yes on yards (2878), and yes on TDs (24)

(2nd) Parrish? No 

(2nd) Hardy? No 

(7th) S. Johnson? No

(3rd) TJ Graham? No

(2nd) Woods? No

(3rd) Goodwin? No

(2 1sts) Watkins? Yes on yards (2459), no on TDs (17)

(2nd) Z. Jones? No

 

Statistically speaking, Davis's first 3 seasons are among the best of recent, modern-era NFL WRs drafted by the Buffalo Bills.

How many of those guys had 3 years of catching passes from Josh Allen

List is fine btw

 

 

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Kaenon said:

The hate on Gabe on this forum is ridiculous.

 

How many other notably drafted WRs by the Bills went on to record 1950+ yards and 20 TDs in their first 3 seasons?

 

(4th) A. Reed? Yes on yards (2128), no on TDs (16)

(1st) Moulds? No (1942 yards, 11 TDs)

Price? Yes on yards (2050), no on TDs (13)

(2nd) J. Reed? No

(1st) Evans? Yes on yards (2878), and yes on TDs (24)

(2nd) Parrish? No 

(2nd) Hardy? No 

(7th) S. Johnson? No

(3rd) TJ Graham? No

(2nd) Woods? No

(3rd) Goodwin? No

(2 1sts) Watkins? Yes on yards (2459), no on TDs (17)

(2nd) Z. Jones? No

 

Statistically speaking, Davis's first 3 seasons are among the best of recent, modern-era NFL WRs drafted by the Buffalo Bills.

 

It has gone a bit 180. Last year at this time he was getting too much hype. This off season he has got too much hate. The reality has always been somewhere in the middle.