Beane: “working on at least 2 veteran UFA’s”

[nucci]

11 hours ago, Rico said:

I never trusted anyone named Poona.

How many Poona's have you known?

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am slightly confused by the defensive tackle thing. Isn't the issue less about numbers at the position this year and more about not having any under contract for next year (so facing yet another total makeover of the spot which no doubt will involve Beane spending all of his FA pennies there)? So how does signing a vet to a 1 year deal help? 

 

The attraction to drafting a guy was a cheap 4 year deal. An expensive 1 year deal makes less sense to me, even if they end up cutting Tim Settle.

 

I don't think they will sign an expensive veteran for a year deal. I believe they will sign a decent stop gap at a reasonable price. Beane will be price shopping. 

 

I'm on the record saying go all in on the offensive side of the ball. I know you and many others disagree with sound valid points. 

 

With that said, this team has some serious defensive holes at DT and LB. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I don't think they will sign an expensive veteran for a year deal. I believe they will sign a decent stop gap at a reasonable price. Beane will be price shopping. 

 

I'm on the record saying go all in on the offensive side of the ball. I know you and many others disagree with sound valid points. 

 

With that said, this team has some serious defensive holes at DT and LB. 

 

Which "sound valid points" did I disagree with? If it was going all in to improve the offense that wasn't me I have been asking for protection and weapons for 2 years.

[Simon Says]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am slightly confused by the defensive tackle thing. Isn't the issue less about numbers at the position this year and more about not having any under contract for next year (so facing yet another total makeover of the spot which no doubt will involve Beane spending all of his FA pennies there)? So how does signing a vet to a 1 year deal help? 

 

The attraction to drafting a guy was a cheap 4 year deal. An expensive 1 year deal makes less sense to me, even if they end up cutting Tim Settle.

 

Yes, it makes sense to extend a couple guys currently on the roster. But apparently  Beane is okay with one-year deals.

[MAJBobby]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I know they had also talked to Yannick Ngakoue and Rashaan Evans which would both fill needs. But right now we are at just under $5 million in cap space and that's before signing our draft class.

And with every signing 1M is offset with the contract that falls off the Top 51 at this point. Only two draft picks that will count agains the cap initially because of this are Kincaid and Torrence 

[MAJBobby]

Also right now with Roster and Draft picks we are at 75 on roster. 
 

15 spots to fill for 90. 
 

6 reported UDFA reported signed 

 

81 players. Still need 9 for camp. 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Also right now with Roster and Draft picks we are at 75 on roster. 
 

15 spots to fill for 90. 
 

6 reported UDFA reported signed 

 

81 players. Still need 9 for camp. 

 

Beane said he didn't necessarily expect to get to 90 the other day. He said he expects them to get to 83 or 84. 

 

Either than means they will fill the rest with rookie try outs or maybe they go to camp light? 

Edited May 1, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

It was a generalized statement.  No reason for him to say names.  I’d assume Poona Ford could be one since they were linked to having interest in March.  

 

 

Poona will likely be too expensive.

 

It'll be one of that bunch of 6 - 9 experienced solid unsigned DEs, for one. Probably whoever will accept a contract of around $2 - $3M.

 

And maybe a DT. Linval Joseph used to be good. He's out there, but maybe too old. Who's tough but affordable?

 

 

[damj]

We need a veteran LB too

[Thurman#1]

 

 

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Al Woods 6'3 330

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Woods_(American_football)

 

 

 

If all else is good, I'd love to have him on the team.

[BillsGuyInMalta]

7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Poona will likely be too expensive.

 

It'll be one of that bunch of 6 - 9 experienced solid unsigned DEs, for one. Probably whoever will accept a contract of around $2 - $3M.

 

And maybe a DT. Linval Joseph used to be good. He's out there, but maybe too old. Who's tough but affordable?

 

 

 

Matt Ioannidis might be the DT they are targeting I think.

 

He's got experience in the Bills defensive system (played for Rivera for a long time), highly aggressive pocket collapser, former teammates with Tim Settle, also has DE flexibility which the Bills covet.

 

Would make a lot of sense.

[BuffaloBillyG]

10 minutes ago, damj said:

We need a veteran LB too

AJ Klein is that veteran. Dodson is a vet. Beane has pretty much said after adding Williams they feel the LB room set. They are ready to see what they have in Bernard and Spector.

[mjt328]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am slightly confused by the defensive tackle thing. Isn't the issue less about numbers at the position this year and more about not having any under contract for next year (so facing yet another total makeover of the spot which no doubt will involve Beane spending all of his FA pennies there)? So how does signing a vet to a 1 year deal help? 

 

The attraction to drafting a guy was a cheap 4 year deal. An expensive 1 year deal makes less sense to me, even if they end up cutting Tim Settle.

 

It's not the huge deal everyone is making it out to be.

 

There is probably a 99% chance that DaQuan Jones gets re-signed, long before Free Agency next year.  That immediately locks down one starting spot.

 

Jordan Phillips and Tim Settle seem to be OK without long-term deals, and just going along with the 1-year contracts.  Neither generates much interest on the open market, and can always be a fallback option.

 

The only question mark really is Ed Oliver.  And I think he will get the Tremaine Edmunds treatment.  Play out the 5th Year.  Offer him a fair deal to stay on the team.  If he decides to leave, then we address the position next year.

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

 

It's not the huge deal everyone is making it out to be.

 

There is probably a 99% chance that DaQuan Jones gets re-signed, long before Free Agency next year.  That immediately locks down one starting spot.

 

Jordan Phillips and Tim Settle seem to be OK without long-term deals, and just going along with the 1-year contracts.  Neither generates much interest on the open market, and can always be a fallback option.

 

The only question mark really is Ed Oliver.  And I think he will get the Tremaine Edmunds treatment.  Play out the 5th Year.  Offer him a fair deal to stay on the team.  If he decides to leave, then we address the position next year.

 

 

Locking Jones down long term makes no sense though. At his age the wall is coming. I hope we get another good year out of him. But we aren't going to get 3 or 4 more good years. 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Beane said he didn't necessarily expect to get to 90 the other day. He said he expects them to get to 83 or 84. 

 

Either than means they will fill the rest with rookie try outs or maybe they go to camp light? 

I heard it. In context I took that post UDFA frenzy the Bills will be sitting between 83-85. 
 

IT is a hard job to pitch to UDFAs looking at rosters for a soft spot in their position group. 

[Eastport bills]

15 hours ago, Brandon said:

At this point, I'd like to see them add someone like Justin Houston or Melvin Ingram to help with the pass rush. 

Either one and Clark, but that would probably cost too much.

[bigK14094]

13 hours ago, akcash said:

Vincent Taylor and Myles Jack

If we can get Miles Jack, we need to do it ASAP!

[BeastMode54]

Myles Jack is not very good

[richardb1952]

Latavius Murray has been signed.

Edited May 1, 2023 by richardb1952

[hondo in seattle]

14 minutes ago, richardb1952 said:

Latavius Murray has been signed.

 

Well, I wasn't expecting a RB to be one of the two.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Locking Jones down long term makes no sense though. At his age the wall is coming. I hope we get another good year out of him. But we aren't going to get 3 or 4 more good years. 

 

 

It's the Star Lotulelei effect.  Fans got used to the Bills paying top dollar for a lousy DT1T play so solid rotational play seems like premium production.   Jones is literally the same player he'd always been at $4M per year.......and the two teams that had him were still like "meh" and let him walk.   He got a bump in pass rush production with the Bills but that should happen when you join the team who tends to win by the most points of any team in the conference.   It's not like TN or Carolina where they were hoping to be tied going into the 4th quarter every week. 

[BuffaloBill]

17 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And I can confirm that I am not the other one. I am not expected to sign tomorrow or any day thereafter.

So much for winning the Lombardi this year….

15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

How about DJ Fluker for RT?

 

 

 

 

That guy is a massive human being…… one of his arms could feed a family of four cannibals for a year.  Wow….

[damj]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

AJ Klein is that veteran. Dodson is a vet. Beane has pretty much said after adding Williams they feel the LB room set. They are ready to see what they have in Bernard and Spector.

I hope they're right. At least we know what Klein can give us if no one else wins the job. In any case, we need to adjust the defense without Edmunds 

[Warriorspikes51]

18 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I know that one is RB Latavius Murrary. I heard he will be signed as early as tomorrow.

Great job!!! 

[Warriorspikes51]

18 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I know that one is RB Latavius Murrary. I heard he will be signed as early as tomorrow.

 

Who else are we looking to sign in the near future? 

[Just Jack]

17 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And I can confirm that I am not the other one. I am not expected to sign tomorrow or any day thereafter.

 

I have been in discussions about joining the Bills.  Granted, that discussion is only me letting them know I'm available.  But I'm sure they'll come around eventually and see my value.  

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Who else are we looking to sign in the near future? 

 

A few weeks ago they had spoken to LB Rashaan Evans and EDGE Yannick Ngakoue, but I haven't heard of any imminent signings.

[Kirby Jackson]

I got the sense that DL (specifically DT) was an area that we would look to add.

 

FWIW, it was so hard to hear in there yesterday!! That is especially true for Brian Gaine. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

17 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

I have been in discussions about joining the Bills.  Granted, that discussion is only me letting them know I'm available.  But I'm sure they'll come around eventually and see my value.  

I've been bulking up for a few decades myself....just waiting for that call😆...

[LyndonvilleBill]

4 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I've been bulking up for a few decades myself....just waiting for that call😆...

Are you a big tub of goo...🤣🤣🤣

[ngbills]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I got the sense that DL (specifically DT) was an area that we would look to add.

 

FWIW, it was so hard to hear in there yesterday!! That is especially true for Brian Gaine. 

He did say 2 DL I thought

[TheBeaneBandit]

8 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Are you a big tub of goo...🤣🤣🤣

Probably not an immovable object unfortunately 😂. 

[SCBills]

If we sign a DT, does that mean we're carrying 5?  Because we seem to only ever carry 4.  

 

Same goes for EDGE... we currently have Von +4 (5 total).  Signing an EDGE gives us 6 guys.  

 

Maybe Von starts the season on PUP, but somethings got to give when he comes back, should we sign a legitimate DE.

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If we sign a DT, does that mean we're carrying 5?  Because we seem to only ever carry 4.  

 

Same goes for EDGE... we currently have Von +4 (5 total).  Signing an EDGE gives us 6 guys.  

 

Maybe Von starts the season on PUP, but somethings got to give when he comes back, should we sign a legitimate DE.

When Vons ready to come back maybe trade Basham or Epenesa...whoever's the least productive of the two. Same deal at DT.

[27yanks]

L Murray, 

[SWATeam]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am slightly confused by the defensive tackle thing. Isn't the issue less about numbers at the position this year and more about not having any under contract for next year (so facing yet another total makeover of the spot which no doubt will involve Beane spending all of his FA pennies there)? So how does signing a vet to a 1 year deal help? 

 

The attraction to drafting a guy was a cheap 4 year deal. An expensive 1 year deal makes less sense to me, even if they end up cutting Tim Settle.

 

We saw what happened when Jones went down last year.  Beyond planning for the future we need another stout body right now. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

He did say 2 DL I thought

That’s what I thought I heard but he talked about how they wanted to draft a DT at a different point. I guess that I came to that conclusion based on both of those comments.

[jkeerie]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Beane said he didn't necessarily expect to get to 90 the other day. He said he expects them to get to 83 or 84. 

 

Either than means they will fill the rest with rookie try outs or maybe they go to camp light? 

Beane just said on OBL, that with so many guys at 90, you don't get a good enough chance to take a look at guys.  He feels it's a disservice to the players and their agents, that they tell these guys they'll get a chance with the team, so they sign.  Then ultimately they don't and could have gone elsewhere where they had a better shot.   Makes sense.

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

If we sign a DT, does that mean we're carrying 5?  Because we seem to only ever carry 4.  

 

Same goes for EDGE... we currently have Von +4 (5 total).  Signing an EDGE gives us 6 guys.  

 

Maybe Von starts the season on PUP, but somethings got to give when he comes back, should we sign a legitimate DE.

I think we've had multiple "stints", with 5 DTs and 5 DEs, on the 53 man roster LY.

 

Then times we called up Bryant/Ankou/etc from the P/S.  

 

But either way, the key is that we've needed to utilize a 5th DT because of injuries.  Good chance that trend continues, and we're probably looking to find a better backup at 1-technique.

 

I think we stay in contact with some of the Vet DEs, while we monitor Vons progress to return.  If he is to miss time early, PUP or worse, then I'd see us investing a bit more (Ngakwoue type).  Otherwise, I think we're set...a signing could also spark some debate if we try moving on from AJE.

[TheBeaneBandit]

3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I think we've had multiple "stints", with 5 DTs and 5 DEs, on the 53 man roster LY.

 

Then times we called up Bryant/Ankou/etc from the P/S.  

 

But either way, the key is that we've needed to utilize a 5th DT because of injuries.  Good chance that trend continues, and we're probably looking to find a better backup at 1-technique.

 

I think we stay in contact with some of the Vet DEs, while we monitor Vons progress to return.  If he is to miss time early, PUP or worse, then I'd see us investing a bit more (Ngakwoue type).  Otherwise, I think we're set...a signing could also spark some debate if we try moving on from AJE.

Or Basham