RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[HappyDays]

[JerseyBills]

31 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

The versatility adding Kincaid gives you is dependent on a player of Knox's ability manning the conventional TE role. It would be just plain damn foolishness to trade him. I think he's been underutilized. He's money in the RZ and often open. Up to Dorsey and Allen to target him. He can't throw the ball to himself.

Knox came on strong late last year, had a TD in like 6 straight gms. I guess Dorsey was trying to find some balance with Knox , as far as blocking or running routes and he did a great job utilizing him in the 2nd half of the year

[Toyo321]

What a absolute waste of a draft pick.  When is this team going to learn to take the best talent left on the board at a position of need on this team.

 

How quickly Beane has forgotten how Cincinnati destroyed the OL in the playoffs.  What a joke this guy is. 

 

Where is a player drafted for LB, OL, OT, S, CB  instead we draft a TE when we already have a team and OC that under utilizes Knox on the current roster.

 

This pick did nothing to make or keep Josh off his back this year.  If you think this helps watch when they play the Jets or Dolphins and KC again this coming year.  He is going to be running for his life again because, this team wants to use garbage overpaid underperforming free agents to man our entire OL.  

 

Unreal that Beane has lasted as long as he has, he is nothing more than a used car salesman, buying and trying to shine up garbage to sell to the public.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Toyo321

[Gregg]

I am not going pretend I know who Kincaid is since I have never seen him play. But reading the comments on him it sounds like the Bills got another elite level playmaker on offense to help Allen and Diggs which is something the Bills desperately need.

[Bangarang]

20 minutes ago, finn said:

He's been underutilized because he's had to help the incompetent Spencer Brown do his job. If Brown improves (as Beane expects) or if we find a decent right tackle, Knox can go back to catching balls. 

Knox runs routes on 76% of his snaps which is 12th most among TEs. To say he’s underutilized because he’s too busy blocking is not exactly true. 

[MWK]

1 minute ago, Toyo321 said:

What a absolute waste of a draft pick.  When is this team going to learn to take the best talent left on the board at a position of need on this team.

 

How quickly Beane has forgotten how Cincinnati destroyed the OL in the playoffs.  What a joke this guy is. 

 

Where is a player drafted for LB, OL, OT, S, CB  instead we draft a TE when we already have a team and OC that under utilizes Knox on the current roster.

 

This pick did nothing to make or keep Josh off his back this year.  If you think this helps watch when they play the Jets or Dolphins and KC again this coming year.  He is going to be running for his life again because, this team wants to use garbage overpaid underperforming free agents to man our entire OL.  

 

Unreal that Beane has lasted as long as he has, he is nothing more than a used car salesman, buying and trying to shine up garbage to sell to the public.

 

 

 

Don't worry, Spencer Brown didn't play because of COVID in 2020 so the jump is coming this year!

[LDD]

Seems that the Bills feel like Kincaid might be a "generational" type talent and an immediate impact player.  He looks to be a really impressive offensive weapon.  The only hesitation I share with many on here is the ability of Dorsey to scheme an offense that consistently exposes another team's defensive holes.  

Kincaid's hands look GREAT!  

[papazoid]

absolutely love the pick

 

TE is the most under rated position in the game

 

Top 4 TE's

#1- Kelse SB Winner

#2- Kittle  Conf Champion....derailed by QB injury

#3- Andrews probably beats cincy if lamar healthy

#4- Goedert  SB finalist

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

What a absolute waste of a draft pick.  When is this team going to learn to take the best talent left on the board at a position of need on this team.

 

How quickly Beane has forgotten how Cincinnati destroyed the OL in the playoffs.  What a joke this guy is. 

 

Where is a player drafted for LB, OL, OT, S, CB  instead we draft a TE when we already have a team and OC that under utilizes Knox on the current roster.

 

This pick did nothing to make or keep Josh off his back this year.  If you think this helps watch when they play the Jets or Dolphins and KC again this coming year.  He is going to be running for his life again because, this team wants to use garbage overpaid underperforming free agents to man our entire OL.  

 

Unreal that Beane has lasted as long as he has, he is nothing more than a used car salesman, buying and trying to shine up garbage to sell to the public.

 

 

Since you know what BB’s board looked like, who did he pass on that he had rated higher?

[Gregg]

9 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

 

Dorsey and McClappy handling their newfound toy...

 

Highlights of the Leafs trying to eliminate the Lightning last night?

[JerseyBills]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

I am not going pretend I know who Kincaid is since I have never seen him play. But reading the comments on him it sounds like the Bills got another elite level playmaker on offense to help Allen and Diggs which is something the Bills desperately need.

Exactly.  Key word being playmaker.  Because he's a TE and not WR, alot of keyboard warriors are doom n gloom. But this pick adds a whole different dimension to the O , as far as how we can attack teams personnel wise, they clearly want more 12 personnel,  they tried last year with OJ Howard. 

I absolutely love the pick. Kid could be special 

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, finn said:

He's been underutilized because he's had to help the incompetent Spencer Brown do his job. If Brown improves (as Beane expects) or if we find a decent right tackle, Knox can go back to catching balls. 

 

That's not true.  Knox is always running routes.  

I have always felt it and then the Cover 1 guys talked about it the other day....Knox is open a lot.  Allen just for whatever reason, doesn't go to him a lot.

[JerseyBills]

Beane referred to Dalton as Cole Beasley esque,  in a TEs body. In terms of how he plays in the slot. They're going to be way more versatile O with this kid. We got another playmaker for 17 that we all agreed we needed and ppl are still b*******

[BillsFan130]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

What are your other real options, considering crying on a message board or calling into WGR doesnt actually do anything?

Huh? 

 

Its me having an opinion. You do understand this is a message board for solely that reason, right?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I sooo wish we had athletic testing on him, super curious to see where his speed, burst, and agility times would have been. 

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

good player, nothing special

 

such a shame Dawson Knox got all that money and can't get it done on his own though

 

 

Sending you to that special clubhouse where Airseven and his pals hang out.

[Irv]

 

https://y.yarn.co/cf69444d-c383-4e8c-a518-66438f1a7738.mp4

 

 

 

[colin]

we run an EP offense, which is match up and Tight end heavy by design.  Not having any TEs is what i think made us just not run two TE sets that much last year, and we had the number 2 O and were more consistent than the year before, w a better regular season record and the same results in the playoffs.

 

i fully expect our new TE to get solid burn and for us to show more 2 TE sets, as well as take advantage of match ups much more in general

 

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

You can't say BPA when you traded up for the guy.

 

 

Of course you can. 

 

They might easily have thought he was the BPA from, say #23 when Addison was picked. 

 

Perhaps even quite a bit earlier.

 

It's not "Best Player Available at Your Original Draft Position." It's Best Player Available ... at a position of need, whenever you pick.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Thurman#1

[MrEpsYtown]

They are finally investing in the X-Factor position that so many teams have and we have largely ignored for like 30 years. No one should be upset about this. 

[Draconator]

21 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

What a absolute waste of a draft pick.  When is this team going to learn to take the best talent left on the board at a position of need on this team.

 

How quickly Beane has forgotten how Cincinnati destroyed the OL in the playoffs.  What a joke this guy is. 

 

Where is a player drafted for LB, OL, OT, S, CB  instead we draft a TE when we already have a team and OC that under utilizes Knox on the current roster.

 

This pick did nothing to make or keep Josh off his back this year.  If you think this helps watch when they play the Jets or Dolphins and KC again this coming year.  He is going to be running for his life again because, this team wants to use garbage overpaid underperforming free agents to man our entire OL.  

 

Unreal that Beane has lasted as long as he has, he is nothing more than a used car salesman, buying and trying to shine up garbage to sell to the public.

 

 

Tua's mom thanks you for your post, Tyreek.

[Big Turk]

9 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It makes me confused that people are upset we didn’t get a big target wr but we essentially did get a big target wr and they’re complaining about the pick 😂

 

Think back to David Nelson under Gailey...except this dude is far far better.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Big Turk

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

I would’ve preferred Anton Harrison (a full time player) and the 4th rd pick, but I’m glad it’s a pass catcher and not DT. 
 

I hope they were trying to trade up for one of the WRs 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

24 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

What a absolute waste of a draft pick.  When is this team going to learn to take the best talent left on the board at a position of need on this team.

 

How quickly Beane has forgotten how Cincinnati destroyed the OL in the playoffs.  What a joke this guy is. 

 

Where is a player drafted for LB, OL, OT, S, CB  instead we draft a TE when we already have a team and OC that under utilizes Knox on the current roster.

 

This pick did nothing to make or keep Josh off his back this year.  If you think this helps watch when they play the Jets or Dolphins and KC again this coming year.  He is going to be running for his life again because, this team wants to use garbage overpaid underperforming free agents to man our entire OL.  

 

Unreal that Beane has lasted as long as he has, he is nothing more than a used car salesman, buying and trying to shine up garbage to sell to the public.

 

 

[Motor26]

I expect Kincaid will be flexed out often, with Knox the in-line tight end. From what I've read, Kincaid is more of a large WR than a complete tight end at this point. Which is fine, he can learn how to block better eventually but his primary role this season is going to be as a route runner. Looking forward to it.

[Nihilarian]

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I WAS ONE PICK AWAY FROM DALTON KINCAID -- AND BUFFALO LEAP-FROGGED MY COWBOYS AND STOLE HIM RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER JERRY'S UPTURNED NOSE. DEVASTATING.

[John from Riverside]

50 minutes ago, MWK said:

 

Have you seen Beane's draft history besides Josh Allen and Edmunds?

That wasn’t the question we were discussing the amount of money that Dawson Knox was being paid

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I WAS ONE PICK AWAY FROM DALTON KINCAID -- AND BUFFALO LEAP-FROGGED MY COWBOYS AND STOLE HIM RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER JERRY'S UPTURNED NOSE. DEVASTATING.

 

 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I think Dorsey did well for a rookie.  I guess what I think he needs to improve on is best described using a boxing analogy.

A good fighter doesn't just fight.  He studies the opponents' strengths and weaknesses and designs his attack accordingly.

Learning to set up the opponent with the right combination of punches takes skill and experience.  Ken needs to improve there.

 

I do agree that Josh can get stubborn, and Ken will have to be "the boss" enough to reign any of that in.  But once again, he needs to learn

that he has to do that.  It's a big year for both of them!

 

Great post 

[Coffeesforclosers]

32 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

What a absolute waste of a draft pick.  When is this team going to learn to take the best talent left on the board at a position of need on this team.

 

How quickly Beane has forgotten how Cincinnati destroyed the OL in the playoffs.  What a joke this guy is. 

 

Where is a player drafted for LB, OL, OT, S, CB  instead we draft a TE when we already have a team and OC that under utilizes Knox on the current roster.

 

This pick did nothing to make or keep Josh off his back this year.  If you think this helps watch when they play the Jets or Dolphins and KC again this coming year.  He is going to be running for his life again because, this team wants to use garbage overpaid underperforming free agents to man our entire OL.  

 

Unreal that Beane has lasted as long as he has, he is nothing more than a used car salesman, buying and trying to shine up garbage to sell to the public.

 

 

 

It's a free country and everyone's allowed to feel disappointed. 

[Toyo321]

15 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Since you know what BB’s board looked like, who did he pass on that he had rated higher?

I also said "a position that we needed" to improve on.  There are many more pressing positions of need on this team than at TE.

 

Drew Sanders, Arkansas at LB was available and would have been a good match with Milano.  And we just passed him up.

Anton Harrison, Oklahoma would have been a great addition to the OL.

Brian Branch, ALABAMA at Safety. 

 

There was a lot of talent left that we could have gotten and improved as a team.  This pick is not going to make a impact with Dorsey as OC.

We don't even utilize Knox to his full potential.

 

Just bad drafting choices once again.

 

[cgg716]

12 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Tua's mom thanks you for your post, Tyreek.

Guy said LB too lol

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

I also said "a position that we needed" to improve on.  There are many more pressing positions of need on this team than at TE.

 

Drew Sanders, Arkansas at LB was available and would have been a good match with Milano.  And we just passed him up.

Anton Harrison, Oklahoma would have been a great addition to the OL.

Brian Branch, ALABAMA at Safety. 

 

There was a lot of talent left that we could have gotten and improved as a team.  This pick is not going to make a impact with Dorsey as OC.

We don't even utilize Knox to his full potential.

 

Just bad drafting choices once again.

 

 

The bold is where you get off track.

 

Knox is out there running routes and getting wide open. His lack of targets is solely on Josh deciding to go deep on low percentage hero balls instead of taking the underneath routes and moving the chains. Some folks believe that was due to his elbow injury, which is possible.

 

If Josh's arm is better, and he goes back to taking open guys like the first 6 weeks, then Kincaid is set to light it up. Along with Knox, and Diggs, and Cook, and...

 

Also, dont think of this kid as merely a TE. He was the #1 Slot WR in the draft. That is what we drafted.

 

Not an inline, blocking TE. But a 6'4' 245lb Cole Beasley.

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[Brand J]

Some of the same people in this thread who knocked Mike Gesicki for being a big WR and not much of a blocker are praising Kincaid for being the same. Funny what a Bills jersey will do for the perception of a player. 

[Thurman#1]

48 minutes ago, finn said:

He's been underutilized because he's had to help the incompetent Spencer Brown do his job. If Brown improves (as Beane expects) or if we find a decent right tackle, Knox can go back to catching balls. 

 

 

I guess you can argue he's been underutilized, but not a whole lot.

 

17th in TE targets. 17th in TE receptions. Tied for 5th in TE TDs. 14th in TE yards.

 

All this for a guy whose brother died during the season. Is it really that surprising that they started him slow? 

 

He had 27 targets in the first eight weeks, out of his total of 65. He had 20 catches out of 48 in his first eight games. 

 

Folks, none of this makes any less than total sense. 

 

Finn, "incompetent" is way way overstating it for Brown, who was recovering from back surgery, didn't have an offseason, and improved a lot as the season went along. But yeah, fair enough, he wasn't as good as we wanted and may well have needed more help sometimes than you'd want him to, and that may have affected the way they used Knox.

 

 

[muppy]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Give it a rest dude. Dalton Kincaid was universally ranked the Top TE in the Draft and was the highest rated player on the board for both NFL Network and ESPN at the time of the pick.

 

Mayer wasn't even picked in the 1st Round or by Dallas that was eyeing TE's hard and clearly had Kincaid on their mind.

YEP. the fact he wasn't chosen by Dallas when by most accounts were seen as coveting Kincaid.

 

So clearly Mayer wasn't 1s round grade by the Dallas.  He goes early 2nd round Im guessing. If he falls even lower than that I'd be shocked.

 

One of these days my Bills will select a high profile Domer player. It will solve my Christmas shopping for hubby dilemma that year. He gets the guys jersey 🙂

 

GO BILLS!~!~!

 

[Nihilarian]

The draft is far from over...just relax. 

[Milanos Milano]

Prisco with solid understanding. 
 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

The nickname I've seen kicking around social media is "Cole Big-sley" and I'm liking it.

[Thurman#1]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

Some of the same people in this thread who knocked Mike Gesicki for being a big WR and not much of a blocker are praising Kincaid for being the same. Funny what a Bills jersey will do for the perception of a player. 

 

 

It's a fair point, but Kincaid is already a lot better blocker than Gesicki has ever been or for that matter wanted to be.

 

Gesicki is dreadful. Kincaid is about replacement level as a blocker, and for a guy who's got as little experience at it and is a rookie, that's a lot more acceptable.